Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Boys do hold such a position the Boy embodies Bhairava a form of Shiva. , "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61> wrote: > Would/wouldn't a boy be as representative as you say the Kumari is, > since there is the same combination of Shakti/Shiva prior to > puberty? Are there also *similar* rituals that involve boy children? > If there are such rituals involving boy children, how are those > rituals different? Why not a boy, if boys do not hold such positions? > > , "mahahradanatha" > <mahahradanatha> wrote: > > I am still contemplating on kurukulla and Varahi and the > > Bhavanupanishad and its biological and subtle body interpretation > and > > practice contained as a part of srividya, my commentary on kumari > is > > tainted by this. > > > > The theme of the Virgin or childlike Goddess and God is highly > loaded > > in every culture and every stage of history had a lot of > approaches > > it is full of thousands of differing associations and verily a > huge > > crystal ball to see a lot of different scenes in. > > > > The anatomical or biological approach to spirituality has a > problem > > it is offending to some devotees to associate their own biology > with > > the deities. Because of that even now one can hardly speak openly > > about some ideas without hurting others (or being hurt by enraged > > others) many secrets have been lost already because of this lack > of > > communication. > > > > Since a huge orgasmic vibration has created this particular > universe > > and even the greatest of saints had his origin in a smaller > likewise > > vibration (except jesus of course *g* who is allegedly born by a > > virgin) one should consider the body not as something entirely > evil > > and unsuitable for spiritual progress. > > > > I was looking at the kumari from the viewpoint of the tantric or > the > > worshipper not so much from that of the goddess and her > associations > > or legends. So please allow me to discuss this first. > > > > To embody the Goddess in a Kumari or imagining her as before > > Menstruation sets in, protects the devotees and the vajracharyas > > (Kumari Pujaris in Nepal) from possible destrucive influences. > > Why? > > Because in the body of the Kumari the energies of Shiva /Shakti > are > > self containend because she has not menstruated and is in nearer > to > > the original unity of the embryo. > > > > The fetus is in constant samadhi, the white and the red inherited > > energy received from Father and mother (shiva-Shakti) are in still > in > > a unified state of one Bindu only. > > > > To achive that state of unity again as an adult is the aim of some > > sadhanas > > > > After the umbilical cord has been cut and the feet touch the > ground > > the bindu splits, the bodily shiva energy begins to move upward > > being fiery and the female downward being of the nature of water, > > but in the child the energys did not yet separete completly the > Amrit > > is still produced and the psychic channels are still unobstructed, > Of > > course there are no deep rooted musular tension to block the blood > > lymph and prana pathways. > > > > All these poisons are present later in life. There are sdhanas > also > > to remove or transform these Poisons. > > > > Menstruation or ejaculation mark the beginning of the complete > > outward turning of the main subtle and bodily energies. > > (including a complete outward turning of the sense organs-which > > are "retracted" later in sadhana also to regain the energies) > > (see bhavanupanishad and the Immortal NavNaths shielding these 9 > > openings) > > > > The menstruation and ejaculation is also a psychological turning > > point and it is accompanied by several hormonal changes resulting > in > > an irritable and unstable state of mind. > > > > That why it is way more dangerous to incorporate and install a > deity > > representing primal complete Innocence in an adult body with its > > tensions and frustrations, and only in an adult body with the > > energies obstructed and blocked kumari energy can issue poisons > not > > perfumes. > > > > > > Like it is said in the Bhavanupanishad We have a sri yantra in the > > body. But before sadhana,figurativly speaking its triangles are > > shifted apart with the male energy at the top of the body and the > > female energies sunk below, sadhana tries to rearrange them again > > returning back to the foetal unity and transform our mind/body to > > innocence and completeness. > > > > To remind i am still talking about the little goddesses and gods > of > > the body so please i hope nobody is offended. > > > > These Explanations perfectly fit the Shiva Sutra and its > commentary. > > Ichha Shakti being primal mind intent in the act of creation the > > universe and in Nath Sampradya(and most probably also Kashmir > > Shaivaism) Iccha Shakti is the mixed Bindu- Sun-located in the > Heart > > center, opposed to Jnana Shakti as Moon and the male Energy in the > > brain and Kriya Shakti the female energy and Fire in the navel > > respectively muladhara in some traditions. > > Something complete in itself cannot be enjoyed but only enjoys. > > No attachment because she contains everything and is inwardly > turnend. > > > > Maybe more later.... > > > > > > > > > > , "NMadasamy" > <nmadasamy@s...> > > wrote: > > > mahahradanatha wrote: I have found out that the exact opposite > of > > > Seriousness is sincerity > > > > > > Like our great great grandfather Dattatreya is described as: > > > > > > dattatreya hare krishna unmattanandadayaka digambara mune > > balapisaca > > > jnanasagara > > > > > > we should try to follow his example and return to innocence and > > > Immortality. > > > > > > Which throws additional light on why our beautiful lady is not > > older > > > than 16 years..... > > > > > > Sri vidya and Tantra contains a biological science concerned > with > > > the hormonal cycle and its change in puberty where chemical > > > inhibitors are produced in the brain to allow our > normal "serious" > > > adult functioning. > > > > > > The yound child the kumari and the bhairav are the oracles of > the > > > divine because in childhood the Amrit Hormone is still produced - > > > thats why the first menstruation or ejaculation marks the fall > from > > > innocence being the outward sign of the biological change. > > > > > > We need Yoga or sadhana to reprogram the body (and soul and > mind ) > > > to again return to that state of Sahaja (Spontaneous Naturalness) > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************ > > > > > > hmmmmmmm now we are getting serious. Thanks for that insight > > > especially on Kumari. Ive been doing a lot of thinking about > > > Kumari. Somebody asked me about the significant of the Kumari > Pooja > > > [ see pics in our photo gallery] several days back. I wanted to > go > > > via the biological approach but my anatomy and physiology has > gone > > > rusty at this moment. > > > > > > I decided to go back to the siva sutra which reads : IcchA > Saktir > > > umA KumAri > > > > > > The eternal state is his whose mind has ascended by Yoga the > > Supreme > > > BhairavatA [an aspect of Siva]. To that Yogin the energy of > desire > > > comes by degrees, that energy is called ParAbhattArikA {Supreme > > > Queen]. She is known as the 'unmarried' [Kumari]. As Sport, she > > > creates the universe from SadAsiva to the earth [36 tattvas]; > hence > > > she is kumAri. She destroys [mArayate] the ground [ku] of the > great > > > illusion [hence she is kumAri]. KumAri is enjoyer of everything. > > > KumAri is not to be enjoyed by the Yogin who is the Bhairava > > > himself, who can enjoy everything [except kumAri] as she is one > > with > > > the enjoyer. KumAri is umA, she who has renouncedd all > attachment > > > and is chiefly devoted to the Lord. Such is the IcchAsakti in > > > Yogins; this is the easy path discovered by the great teachers > > > [anuttaradesikas]" > > > > > > KumAri is umA, she who has renouncedd all attachment and is > chiefly > > > devoted to the Lord. > > > > > > [above translated into english with introduction by Jaideva > Singh. > > > From the text of the Sutras and the commentary Vimarsini of > > > KsemarAja] > > > > > > If you look at the story of Kumari. When Punyakshi learned of > the > > > divine deception, her fury knew no bounds. She kicked over the > pots > > > of food prepared for her wedding celebration -- and they turned > > into > > > the colored sands found on the southern shores of India to this > > day. > > > Several demons offered to marry her instead and satisfy her > > > longings, but she became enraged at their audacity and tore out > > > their hearts. She then stood on the seashore beside her village, > > > facing the sea, and vowed not to move until she was reunited > with > > > her Shiva at the end of time. The scholar Devdutt Patatnaik > > > observes, "The cult of the virgin is popular in many parts of > > India. > > > It is believed that when a woman does not enjoy the company of > > > husband and children, her creative energy bottles up inside her > and > > > becomes destructive. This bottled energy is feared and hence > > > worshiped." > > > > > > As I see it, kumari is the Supreme Power that you seek to > invoke > > > inorder to help you to remain focus in your sadhana. She remain > fix > > > to be united with Siva and no other, the other devas tried to > > > persuade her, the demons tried to pacify her by offering to > > > marry her, all are being torn into pieces by her. > > > > > > Is SHE angry because she cannot get married? > > > > > > No I believe Her fury is towards those who think her > love/devotion > > > towards Siva is superficial. If your love is pure, it can never > be > > > replace by another. > > > > > > She is the DEVI that breaks all illusion > > > > > > Maybe time to open up those pathophysiology book again. It might > > > help to explain a lot of things. > > > > > > What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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