Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 We are grateful to Shri P.R.Ramachander for taking the time to translate the Auspicious Devi Mahatmya and send it to us. We have decided to take this opportunity to have his work posted here in the group part by part as our way of honouring the Navarathri. Introduction This book which relates the story of how the devi (mother Goddess) killed Madhu and Kaidabha as Vishnu Maya (Thamasic-base), killed Mahishasura as Lakshmi (Rajashic form-materialistic) and killed Shumbha and Nishumbha in the form of Goddess Saraswathi (Sathvic- spiritual) is known as Devi Mahatmya in South India, Chandi in West Bengal and as Durga Sapthasathi in the northern parts of the country including Varanasi. It consists of Chapters 74 to 86 (13 chapters) of the Markandeya Purana and has 700 stanzas. This Purana is also authored by Veda Vyasa and is a medium sized Purana. The stories of Devi Mahatmya are as told by Sage Markandeya to Sage Baguri. He tells him that one king called Suradha, who was driven out of his kingdom by his own people met one Vysya (businessman) called Samadhi who was driven out of his home by his wife and sons, in the forest. They discover that though their own people have driven them out, they are both worried about the welfare of their people. It appears to them that this is unnatural. So they approach Sage Sumedhas who was also living in the forest. The sage tells them that all this is the illusion created by the great Goddess called Vishnu Maya. They became curious and want to know about this great mother Goddess. He then relates to them the story of Devi Mahatmya, which consists of three stories in all of which the mother Goddess kills the enemies of Gods. The first story is that of Madhu and Kaidabha. They take birth from the earwax of Lord Vishnu while he was asleep and start troubling Lord Brahma who was sitting on the lotus originating from the belly of Lord Vishnu. Lord Brahma prays to the Goddess to help him continue his work of creation. The goddess appears and takes the form of Lord Vishnu and kills both Asuras after wrestling with them for thousands of years. Since both these Asuras were of Thamasic origin, she also had a thamasic form. The second story is of how the mother Goddess helped the devas by killing Mahishasura. This Asura who had the form of buffalo, drove away the devas and Indra from their homes. They all go and approach the holy trinity for the redressal of their grievances. This made those three gods very angry and the innate power of the Goddess in them came out and joined together. This goddess was further strengthened by the powers of the various Gods. She was equipped with arms by all devas. This goddess, mainly consisting of the anger- generated power killed Mahishasura. The third story is of how the Great Asura brothers Shumbha and Nishumbha were killed by the goddess. This time the gods approach Goddess Uma who was wandering in the Himalaya Mountains and told her of her sufferings. Out of the body of the Goddess came Koushikhi or Chandika. She was black in colour. She along with the powers generated by various Gods killed Shumbha and Nishumbha. Sage Markandeya then tells of how, The king Suradha and Vysya Samadhi did penance on the goddess and got the boons that they wanted. In the twelfth chapter of this great book, the Goddess tells that for one, who reads or hears, these three stories of her, there is nothing impossible to obtain including salvation. In my translation I am following the interpretation of this great book by Brahmasri Kandiyur Mahadeva Sastrigal in malayalam, which is based on the text given to him by Sri Hari Krishna Sharma of Aurangabad , based on the commentaries on the book given in explanatory guides of the book viz. Durga Pradeepa, Gupthavathi, Chathurdhari, Santhanavi, Nagoji bhatti, Damsodharam and Jagat chandra chandrika. It is believed that just possession of this book has helped many great people to fight evil spirits as well as getting the blessings of the Goddess herself. Several such folk stories abound all over India. One of those famous one in Kerala was how one great Manthrika called Kalluru Namboodhiri was asked by a king called Shakthan Thamburan, to enter the Kodungaloor Bhagawathi temple at night after the festival and bring back his ring from the closed sanctum sanctorum. He did this easily by taking with him a copy of Devi Mahatmya. This book though it is a treasure house for all those trying for super natural powers is also a book leading one to get his wishes fulfilled and also attain salvation. It is believed that reading of the book during Sharad and Vasantha Navarathris is auspicious. In Appendix 1, summary of talk given by Swami Krishnanada on "Esoteric significance of Devi Mahatmya " is given and Appendix 2 gives the great Sthothra with meaning which summaries the story of Devi Mahatmya. Parayana Krama or prescribed methods of reading Devi Mahatmya is a story but each of its slokas is considered as mantras. There are two methods of how to start reading Devi Mahatmya. The first one is called Tryangam and consists of reading three prayers viz Devi Kavacham, Devi argalam and Devi keelakam followed by meditation and chanting of the Navakshari manthra given by Om Iym hreem kleem Chamandayai , viche nama. This manthra is of very great power and should not be chanted unless, it is taught by a Guru. The other is Navangam, where nine prayers are recited before starting reading of the book. They are chanting of 1.Nyasa 2.Avahana 3,Namani 4. Argala 5.Keelaga 6.Hrudhaya 7.Dhala 8.Dhyana and 9.Kavacha. It is recommended that the entire Devi Mahatmya should be read in one sitting. After completion of the reading it is necessary to chant the Devi Suktham consisting of the slokas seven to 36 of chapter 8, is to be chanted. If the Guru has taught the navakshari manthra, then it should also be meditated up on. People who cannot do this should read the Pradhama charithra consisting of the first chapter on the first day, the Madhyama Charithra consisting of the next three chapters on the next day and the remaining Uthama Charitha consisting of the next 9 chapters on the third day. Another method of completing the full reading by seven days viz one chapter on the first day, next two chapters on the second day, next one chapter on the third day, next four chapters on the fourth day, next two chapters on the fifth day, next one chapter on the sixth day and last two chapters on the seventh day. It is important to know that daily the parayana should start with the trayanga manthras, text of Devi Mahatmya followed by the chanting of Devi Suktham. It is also essential not to stop in between while reading a chapter. If for some reason, it is stopped, the entire chapter should be read again. It has also been told that "Geethi, seegri, sirakhambhi, hyakurvano vinasyathi, Thatho jnathwaiva sampannamidham prabhyathe budhai," Those who sing it, those who read it fast, those who read with shaking of their head, those who read from the text in their own handwriting , those who read without understanding the import and those who read in a very feeble tone, do not get the benefit of reading a work. It has also been told that any book, which has less than one thousand slokas should be recited from memory to get full benefit. Those who cannot should keep the book on a stand and read it without touching it. The benefit of reading Devi Mahatmya several times is given below:- Three times-to get rid of black magic Five times-to get rid of difficulties caused by planets Seven times- to get rid of great fear. Nine times –Peace, Eleven times - to get over fear of death, attraction of the king Twelve times -getting desires fulfilled and destruction of enemies Fourteen times-to attract women as well as enemies Fifteen times-Pleasant life and getting of wealth Sixteen times-to get sons and grand sons Seventeen times-to get rid of fear of the King Eighteen times-to get occult powers Twenty times-For war to end Twenty-five times-To come out of prison Hundred times –to get rid of great sorrow, banishment from caste, Loss of life, salvation Hundred and eight times – Fulfilling any wanted desire One thousand times-Goddess Mahalakshmi will visit him and he will get all wealth and The kathyayani thanthra mentions various other methods of reading Devi Mahatmya. Some of them are: - 1. Chant before and after every sloka, the Navakshari manthra. This would make your magical chants effective. 2. Chant Om Bhoor Buva swaha before every sloka and then chant Suva, bhuva, bhoo Om after every sloka. Chanting one hundred times would get you occult powers. 3. Add "Jatha Vedase" before every sloka and chant. This would lead to fulfillment of all desires. 4. After every manthra chant thr tryambaka manthra viz. "Tryambakam yajamahe Sugandhim pushtivardhanam Urvarurkamiva bhandhanam Mrityor mukshiya ma -mrtat." This would prevent untimely death. 5.Chant Tryambaka manthra one hundred times before and after reading Devi Mahatmya and this will lead to avoidance of early death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 does it have any negative impact if one read parts of DM? Everyday morning after taking a bath while doing puja, I recite a.devI kavacham b.argalAstotram c.11th chapter devaiH krtA nArAyaNiistuti (The Hymn to Narayani by the Gods) d.Aparadha-ksamapana-stotram e.devI aparAdha kshamApaNa stotram by Adi sankarA (in this order) from Devi Mahatmya this I am doing it for past three years. I have not seen any negative effect. please advise if this is a wrong way. thanks, manoj. ============================================= the normal method is kavacam; argalam and keelakam and avaakshari in the bgining and the three sooktas etc afrer DM. And the method of reading is PAA THO YAM VI PRA KAA RA 1 2 1 4 1 1 2 chapters per day =========================================================== --- NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: > We are grateful to Shri P.R.Ramachander for taking > the time to > translate the Auspicious Devi Mahatmya and send it > to us. We have > decided to take this opportunity to have his work > posted here in the > group part by part as our way of honouring the > Navarathri. > > Introduction > > This book which relates the story of how the devi > (mother Goddess) > killed Madhu and Kaidabha as Vishnu Maya > (Thamasic-base), killed > Mahishasura as Lakshmi (Rajashic form-materialistic) > and killed > Shumbha and Nishumbha in the form of Goddess > Saraswathi (Sathvic- > spiritual) is known as Devi Mahatmya in South India, > Chandi in West > Bengal and as Durga Sapthasathi in the northern > parts of the country > including Varanasi. It consists of Chapters 74 to 86 > (13 chapters) > of the Markandeya Purana and has 700 stanzas. This > Purana is also > authored by Veda Vyasa and is a medium sized Purana. > > > The stories of Devi Mahatmya are as told by Sage > Markandeya to Sage > Baguri. He tells him that one king called Suradha, > who was driven > out of his kingdom by his own people met one Vysya > (businessman) > called Samadhi who was driven out of his home by his > wife and sons, > in the forest. They discover that though their own > people have > driven them out, they are both worried about the > welfare of their > people. It appears to them that this is unnatural. > So they approach > Sage Sumedhas who was also living in the forest. The > sage tells them > that all this is the illusion created by the great > Goddess called > Vishnu Maya. They became curious and want to know > about this great > mother Goddess. He then relates to them the story of > Devi Mahatmya, > which consists of three stories in all of which the > mother Goddess > kills the enemies of Gods. > > The first story is that of Madhu and Kaidabha. They > take birth from > the earwax of Lord Vishnu while he was asleep and > start troubling > Lord Brahma who was sitting on the lotus originating > from the belly > of Lord Vishnu. Lord Brahma prays to the Goddess to > help him > continue his work of creation. The goddess appears > and takes the > form of Lord Vishnu and kills both Asuras after > wrestling with them > for thousands of years. Since both these Asuras were > of Thamasic > origin, she also had a thamasic form. > > The second story is of how the mother Goddess helped > the devas by > killing Mahishasura. This Asura who had the form of > buffalo, drove > away the devas and Indra from their homes. They all > go and approach > the holy trinity for the redressal of their > grievances. This made > those three gods very angry and the innate power of > the Goddess in > them came out and joined together. This goddess was > further > strengthened by the powers of the various Gods. She > was equipped > with arms by all devas. This goddess, mainly > consisting of the anger- > generated power killed Mahishasura. > > The third story is of how the Great Asura brothers > Shumbha and > Nishumbha were killed by the goddess. This time the > gods approach > Goddess Uma who was wandering in the Himalaya > Mountains and told her > of her sufferings. Out of the body of the Goddess > came Koushikhi or > Chandika. She was black in colour. She along with > the powers > generated by various Gods killed Shumbha and > Nishumbha. > > Sage Markandeya then tells of how, The king Suradha > and Vysya > Samadhi did penance on the goddess and got the boons > that they > wanted. > > In the twelfth chapter of this great book, the > Goddess tells that > for one, who reads or hears, these three stories of > her, there is > nothing impossible to obtain including salvation. > > In my translation I am following the interpretation > of this great > book by Brahmasri Kandiyur Mahadeva Sastrigal in > malayalam, which > is based on the text given to him by Sri Hari > Krishna Sharma of > Aurangabad , based on the commentaries on the book > given in > explanatory guides of the book viz. Durga Pradeepa, > Gupthavathi, > Chathurdhari, Santhanavi, Nagoji bhatti, Damsodharam > and Jagat > chandra chandrika. > > It is believed that just possession of this book has > helped many > great people to fight evil spirits as well as > getting the blessings > of the Goddess herself. Several such folk stories > abound all over > India. One of those famous one in Kerala was how one > great Manthrika > called Kalluru Namboodhiri was asked by a king > called Shakthan > Thamburan, to enter the Kodungaloor Bhagawathi > temple at night after > the festival and bring back his ring from the closed > sanctum > sanctorum. He did this easily by taking with him a > copy of Devi > Mahatmya. This book though it is a treasure house > for all those > trying for super natural powers is also a book > leading one to get > his wishes fulfilled and also attain salvation. > > It is believed that reading of the book during > Sharad and Vasantha > Navarathris is auspicious. In Appendix 1, summary > of talk given by > Swami Krishnanada on "Esoteric significance of Devi > Mahatmya > " is > given and Appendix 2 gives the great Sthothra with > meaning which > summaries the story of Devi Mahatmya. > > Parayana Krama or prescribed methods of reading > > Devi Mahatmya is a story but each of its slokas is > considered as > mantras. There are two methods of how to start > reading Devi > Mahatmya. The first one is called Tryangam and > consists of reading > three prayers viz Devi Kavacham, Devi argalam and > Devi keelakam > followed by meditation and chanting of the > Navakshari manthra given > by > Om Iym hreem kleem Chamandayai , viche nama. > > This manthra is of very great power and should not > be chanted > unless, it is taught by a Guru. > > The other is Navangam, where nine prayers are > recited before > starting reading of the book. They are chanting of > 1.Nyasa 2.Avahana > 3,Namani 4. Argala 5.Keelaga 6.Hrudhaya 7.Dhala > 8.Dhyana and > 9.Kavacha. > > It is recommended that the entire Devi Mahatmya > should be read in > one sitting. After completion of the reading it is > necessary to > chant the Devi Suktham consisting of the slokas > seven to 36 of > chapter 8, is to be chanted. If the Guru has taught > the navakshari > manthra, then it should also be meditated up on. > > People who cannot do this should read the Pradhama > charithra > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 , manoj sadangi <kalahandimanoj> wrote: > > > does it have any negative impact if one read parts of DM? > Everyday morning after taking a bath while doing puja, > I recite Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. Im am sorry, I am suppose to post the other parts yesterday, but my computer gone bust!. Bad management actually, never send for servicing for a long time, so my computer protest and choose to shut down. And I cant post the remainder of the DM send by Shri Ramachandra becau my computer gone to for servicing. I will do it once im got it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I believe you can find the whole thing on www.puja.net - NMadasamy Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:21 PM Re: In celebration : Navarathri. DEVI MAHATMYA : An introduction , manoj sadangi <kalahandimanoj> wrote: > > > does it have any negative impact if one read parts of DM? > Everyday morning after taking a bath while doing puja, > I recite Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. Im am sorry, I am suppose to post the other parts yesterday, but my computer gone bust!. Bad management actually, never send for servicing for a long time, so my computer protest and choose to shut down. And I cant post the remainder of the DM send by Shri Ramachandra becau my computer gone to for servicing. I will do it once im got it back. Traditions Divine a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > I believe you can find the whole thing on www.puja.net > > - > NMadasamy > > Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:21 PM > Re: In celebration : Navarathri. DEVI MAHATMYA : An introduction > > > Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can > bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? > > It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is > showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse > effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, > what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at > all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the > negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack > our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. > > > Im am sorry, I am suppose to post the other parts yesterday, but my > computer gone bust!. Bad management actually, never send for > servicing for a long time, so my computer protest and choose to shut > down. And I cant post the remainder of the DM send by Shri > Ramachandra becau my computer gone to for servicing. I will do it > once im got it back. Now I really understand why The Mahadevi really like her warriors The Munis. They are trustworthy and always there when you need them. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Always glad to be of service... - NMadasamy Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:46 PM Re: In celebration : Navarathri. DEVI MAHATMYA : An introduction , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > I believe you can find the whole thing on www.puja.net > > - > NMadasamy > > Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:21 PM > Re: In celebration : Navarathri. DEVI MAHATMYA : An introduction > > > Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can > bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? > > It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is > showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse > effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, > what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at > all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the > negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack > our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. > > > Im am sorry, I am suppose to post the other parts yesterday, but my > computer gone bust!. Bad management actually, never send for > servicing for a long time, so my computer protest and choose to shut > down. And I cant post the remainder of the DM send by Shri > Ramachandra becau my computer gone to for servicing. I will do it > once im got it back. Now I really understand why The Mahadevi really like her warriors The Munis. They are trustworthy and always there when you need them. Thank you. a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 humble pranams, Thank you very much for giving clear vision of devi. till today I was afraid to read DM even I have 3 copies of it ( I was just keeping it for vijadashami days along with other books) I actually love to recite narayani stuti. Thanks again for showing us the right path. asokan NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , manoj sadangi wrote: > > > does it have any negative impact if one read parts of DM? > Everyday morning after taking a bath while doing puja, > I recite Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 , asokan <ahumasokan> wrote: > > humble pranams, > > Thank you very much for giving clear vision of devi. till today I was afraid to read DM even I have 3 copies of it ( I was just keeping it for vijadashami days along with other books) I actually love to recite narayani stuti. > > Thanks again for showing us the right path. > > asokan No! NO! this is only right from my own believe and right for me. I go back to basic logic and rational. We are reading abt our beloved Mother, how can it be wrong. I am a mother and have a child of my own. Would I punish my daughter if she want to come and sing or recite for me a song. Will I ridule her if she sing it off tune? For another to tell us, do not try to sing to your mother if you are not trained by a professional teacher, or she will get mad or punish you? How can you tell another too, dont bother to recite it if you are not professionally trained by a teacher because the mother will not listen. You are trying to imply that the mother is so bias. Is SHE? I am using my own personal experience as a mother to rational it all. How can you understand the thoughts and feeling of a mother unless you have become one. I remember my own late mother told me : only when you have a child of your own, you will understand what it is like to be a mother. To say it is the right path, hhmmmmmmmmmm scary. What is the right path? Others will come and give you another opinion. If their reasons is valid, it is right for them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 But there is another aspect that must never be lost sight of. Normally when we just pray with the feeling "be pleased with me" - which is the normal bhava of a sadhaka who is trying to attain her all rules fall away and all that we do become upasana. Thats what is hinted in the Saunarya lahari shloka .. let all my actions etc. However when we step into the region of kamyopasana, where it is being done with the intention of gaining a particular desired object like sidhi or wealth and the like, the picture changes. There Devi is just a relective shield that will bounceback our energy - mind you YOUR energy - manifold. In that state the attitude of the mind and whatnot is very important and the rules are strict. So if what is reflected on to ev as a reflective shield is defective, the defect also will be reflected back manifold. This is what all the cautions are about. But then, we are not here for gaining material gains; are we? But then it should no be forgoten is that mere upasana for the pleasure of Devi rings EVERYTHING to you. If we have to resort to Kaamya sadhana it is because our sadhana to please her is defetive. asokan <ahumasokan wrote: humble pranams, Thank you very much for giving clear vision of devi. till today I was afraid to read DM even I have 3 copies of it ( I was just keeping it for vijadashami days along with other books) I actually love to recite narayani stuti. Thanks again for showing us the right path. asokan NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: , manoj sadangi wrote: > > > does it have any negative impact if one read parts of DM? > Everyday morning after taking a bath while doing puja, > I recite Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 How does this apply while praying for others?? Not necessarily DM. For eg. moola mantra japam for someone else's welfare/health? Will the defects in the prayer/mindset of the sadhaka negatively affect the intended person? Or, since the sadhaka does not ask anything for self, will it be considered "pure" and excused/exempt from the faults?? , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > But there is another aspect that must never be lost sight of. > > Normally when we just pray with the feeling "be pleased with me" - which is the normal bhava of a sadhaka who is trying to attain her all rules fall away and all that we do become upasana. Thats what is hinted in the Saunarya lahari shloka .. let all my actions etc. > > However when we step into the region of kamyopasana, where it is being done with the intention of gaining a particular desired object like sidhi or wealth and the like, the picture changes. There Devi is just a relective shield that will bounceback our energy - mind you YOUR energy - manifold. In that state the attitude of the mind and whatnot is very important and the rules are strict. So if what is reflected on to ev as a reflective shield is defective, the defect also will be reflected back manifold. This is what all the cautions are about. > > But then, we are not here for gaining material gains; are we? > > But then it should no be forgoten is that mere upasana for the pleasure of Devi rings EVERYTHING to you. If we have to resort to Kaamya sadhana it is because our sadhana to please her is defetive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 yes!! its nice to be able to help others. But for that are mantras necessary? Is it not enough just to speak to Mother? If mantras are used it becomes kaamya; and unless one is an expert is hoo shuddhu; bhootashuddi and other such rituals, a part of the person helped's karma attaches to the doer. Do we need to do that?? ganpra <ganpra wrote: How does this apply while praying for others?? Not necessarily DM. For eg. moola mantra japam for someone else's welfare/health? Will the defects in the prayer/mindset of the sadhaka negatively affect the intended person? Or, since the sadhaka does not ask anything for self, will it be considered "pure" and excused/exempt from the faults?? , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > But there is another aspect that must never be lost sight of. > > Normally when we just pray with the feeling "be pleased with me" - which is the normal bhava of a sadhaka who is trying to attain her all rules fall away and all that we do become upasana. Thats what is hinted in the Saunarya lahari shloka .. let all my actions etc. > > However when we step into the region of kamyopasana, where it is being done with the intention of gaining a particular desired object like sidhi or wealth and the like, the picture changes. There Devi is just a relective shield that will bounceback our energy - mind you YOUR energy - manifold. In that state the attitude of the mind and whatnot is very important and the rules are strict. So if what is reflected on to ev as a reflective shield is defective, the defect also will be reflected back manifold. This is what all the cautions are about. > > But then, we are not here for gaining material gains; are we? > > But then it should no be forgoten is that mere upasana for the pleasure of Devi rings EVERYTHING to you. If we have to resort to Kaamya sadhana it is because our sadhana to please her is defetive. Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Thanks, Kochu. Clears up several questions for me. G , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > yes!! its nice to be able to help others. But for that are mantras necessary? Is it not enough just to speak to Mother? If mantras are used it becomes kaamya; and unless one is an expert is hoo shuddhu; bhootashuddi and other such rituals, a part of the person helped's karma attaches to the doer. Do we need to do that?? > > > ganpra ganpra@r... wrote: > How does this apply while praying for others?? Not necessarily DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Pranams, I clearly unsderstands the concept. thank you very much. But is it come under kamyopasana if we recite something like kavacham where we are requesting devi to protect us and our dear ones from evil? I mean specifically requesting some thing but not like Japo jalpa...... with namashkar to all advanced upasakas on this auspicous occasion of navarathri. asokan sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: But there is another aspect that must never be lost sight of. Normally when we just pray with the feeling "be pleased with me" - which is the normal bhava of a sadhaka who is trying to attain her all rules fall away and all that we do become upasana. Thats what is hinted in the Saunarya lahari shloka .. let all my actions etc. However when we step into the region of kamyopasana, where it is being done with the intention of gaining a particular desired object like sidhi or wealth and the like, the picture changes. There Devi is just a relective shield that will bounceback our energy - mind you YOUR energy - manifold. In that state the attitude of the mind and whatnot is very important and the rules are strict. So if what is reflected on to ev as a reflective shield is defective, the defect also will be reflected back manifold. This is what all the cautions are about. But then, we are not here for gaining material gains; are we? But then it should no be forgoten is that mere upasana for the pleasure of Devi rings EVERYTHING to you. If we have to resort to Kaamya sadhana it is because our sadhana to please her is defetive. asokan wrote: humble pranams, Thank you very much for giving clear vision of devi. till today I was afraid to read DM even I have 3 copies of it ( I was just keeping it for vijadashami days along with other books) I actually love to recite narayani stuti. Thanks again for showing us the right path. asokan NMadasamy wrote: , manoj sadangi wrote: > > > does it have any negative impact if one read parts of DM? > Everyday morning after taking a bath while doing puja, > I recite Im just trying to understand, how can reading the great DM text can bring negative impact, during any time especially during Navarathri? It is a story about our DEVI. Her truimph against evil, She is showing us the way of how to do it, how cant it cause an adverse effect other than bring goodness for all. If you cant read it all, what is wrong reading it part by part. Its better than not to read at all, dont you agree? I think all this fear others put about the negativity of DM recitation is baseless. They are trying to hijack our state of mind. Neever never let them do it to you. Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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