Swayambu Pushpa

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Reference to swayabu pushpa appers in many place in the hymns of

mother Kali.

Is it a real flower, what is its significance?

 

regards,

K.Prasad

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> This is all bull and misinterpretation. This misinterpertationsd are

what gives tantra a bad name.

>

> It like arjuna said "swayambhu pushpa" means something else!!

Similarly the words are allegories for other things and internal

meditations. Having taken litteral meanings where they are not

intended to be taken as such people do cruel inhuman acts and nothing;

just nothing will happen. N siddhi will flow from such acts.

>

> Max Dashu <maxdashu@l...> wrote:

> High end? It is tragic that anyone would believe that any spiritual

> merit would come as the result of using another human being in this

> way. It is purely cannibalism. Even without the murder, the

> descriptions of other rites demanding to use a girl or teen or

woman,

> often with the condition of virginity, as a tool toward such ends

are

> just depressing. Such a sacrifice is to the ego, not of it. I am

> convinced that there are those who perform sexual rites in another

> way, but many of the texts seem to speak of the female partner as a

> necessary thing rather than as a conscious being.

>

> Max

>

> >the act of sex is done , on a specific night,star and tithi

> >according to the respective tantra, with a girl who has not lost

her

> >virginity and the womb of the girl is placed at the altar on

> >Amavasya. This is the high end tantra which confers high powers to

> >the tantrik. Even the deities are also demanding on the tantrik who

> >resorts to such repeated murderous acts.

>

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[Guest guest]

93,

 

"Svayambhu-pushpa" is a menstrual fluid of young girl or virgin - this

is the ritual meaning of the term. Sometimes it may have indirect

meaning as well. U have to see the context and use Ur logic. Or better

ask kula-guru first .

 

Regards,

A.

 

 

, "K.H.K.Prasad"

<keshavaprasadkh> wrote:

>

> Reference to swayabu pushpa appers in many place in the hymns of

> mother Kali.

> Is it a real flower, what is its significance?

>

> regards,

> K.Prasad

[Guest guest]

I dont think different gurus have different meaning to the same word.

By Logic I think the word swayambu is used as in "Swayambuva manu",

the first one or self created, It is offered the devi because it is

the first flower on earth(it is the mother of all power).

There is a word Swayambu pushpamala ,mala is usually made with flower,

(not from fluid)..just logic,I am not sure.

 

 

, "Arjuna Taranandanatha"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

>

> 93,

>

> "Svayambhu-pushpa" is a menstrual fluid of young girl or virgin -

this

> is the ritual meaning of the term. Sometimes it may have indirect

> meaning as well. U have to see the context and use Ur logic. Or

better

> ask kula-guru first .

>

> Regards,

> A.

>

 

 

>

> , "K.H.K.Prasad"

> <keshavaprasadkh> wrote:

> >

> > Reference to swayabu pushpa appers in many place in the hymns of

> > mother Kali.

> > Is it a real flower, what is its significance?

> >

> > regards,

> > K.Prasad

>

[Guest guest]

93,

 

Let me provide U an article from online sanskrit dictionary - meanings

of the word "pushpa":

 

1 puSpa n. (for %{puSka}?) a flower , blossom (ifc. f. %{A} , in

names of plants oftener %{I} ; cf. Pa1n2. 4-1 , 64 Va1rtt. 1) AV. &c.

&c. ; the menstrual flux Sus3r. ; a partic. disease of the eye ,

albugo Sus3r. ; a spot on the nails and teeth Car. ; (in dram.)

gallantry , politeness , declaration of love Das3ar. Sa1h. Prata1p. ;

N. of a Sa1man Ta1n2d2Br. La1t2y. ; of a book , Divya7iv. ; a kind of

perfume L. ; the vehicle of Kubera L. ; blooming , expanding L. ; m. a

topaz R. ; N. of a serpent-demon MBh. ; of a son of S3list2i Hariv. ;

of a son of S3an3kha ib. (C. %{puSya}) ; of a Bodhi-sattva(?) Lalit. ;

of a mountain Ma1rkP. ; of a book (prob. = %{puSpa-sUtra}) , Divya4v.

; (%{A}) f. N. of the town Campa1 L.

 

Note "menstrual flux" is there .

 

Dictionary is here: http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/

 

This particular meaning is confirmed by the context in Tantras as well

as by direct references. For example in Sarvollasa several types of

menstrual blood are discussed among which is svayambhu kind.

 

Please also concider the fact that true meaning of scriptural

symbolism is existing in Kaula lineages. What i told is not my

invention .

BTW academic studies are often useful in such cases - scientists have

no intention to pervert tantric doctrines (although they may mistake

of course)... While certain modern swamis tend to put everything

upside down in order to hide every note of sex in their religion.

 

Just read Shmashana-kali Sahasranama from Kalikula-sarvasva in

original and compare with Swami Satyananda's "translation" in his book

"Kali Puja" - this will give a nice idea of such sad cases...

 

Best regards,

A.

 

 

, "K.H.K.Prasad"

<keshavaprasadkh> wrote:

>

> I dont think different gurus have different meaning to the same word.

> By Logic I think the word swayambu is used as in "Swayambuva manu",

> the first one or self created, It is offered the devi because it is

> the first flower on earth(it is the mother of all power).

> There is a word Swayambu pushpamala ,mala is usually made with flower,

> (not from fluid)..just logic,I am not sure.