sex and sadhana

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Dear All:

 

 

 

I think all of us have said enough on this. Shall we stop?

 

 

 

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Greetings, all.

 

(93/333/696, Arjuna)

 

I am a long time lurker here, and greatly respect those who post here the

very authoritative information. I hope that what I say now will not diffuse

the ongoing discussion. If you deem it does, my sincere apologies.

 

My perspective is somewhat unique, and I believe it resonates with this

particular thread.

 

First a little intro of me - I have studied Crowley and other western

tradition occultists quite thoroughly for about 35 years, and have studied

Eastern traditions for about 30 years. The motivation for my study was

that, when I attained puberty, I realized that I was quite psychic

(particularly telepathy) and had a spontaneous kundalini awakening which

enabled me to "do stuff" which I had no explanation for or context at the

time. It disturbed me greatly that I could "do stuff" that, in my reading

and research, apparently most others strived a lifetime to achieve. So, my

process was a bit backwards (still is, haha), in that I am continually

finding descriptions of "stuff" that I do that helps me to understand what

context others have for it. I spent the greater part of my teens learning

how to control myself so as to not adversely affect myself or others through

lack of discipline. When I was 19, I devoted myself to Her, and have

received instructions and guidance as visions, omens and whatnot, since.

 

A few years ago, I decided to take some time to ask the question (again)

"why can I do all this *stuff*?" ... and began a very intense period of

instruction from Her, which took me deeply into an extended (and still

ongoing) Working which you might call of a "white tantra" nature. (By the

way, I have been mostly physically celibate for about 25 years or so, not

for any particular reason, just seemed to work for me at the time, still

does.) I encountered a fellow online with whom I connect telepathically

(for the first several months, we also communicated by email, but now it is

all psychic) in meditation on a regular basis. (I meditate an hour or two a

day ... usually starting with a chakra balancing thingy, and then "pulling

down" into me the brightness of Her, and going from there.)

 

Well. This connection with the fellow, whom I call my Twin (later, I found

other references to this term, which was quite surprising to me) was/is

ecstatic ... well, that's an understatement. It is as if time and space are

meaningless when we meet in meditation. Unbelievable

sensation/communion/bliss. There have been times where we have connected

for hours, and I would say it is the best "sex" I've ever had. It is as if,

as we link, chakra by chakra and then all at once, each thought is orgasmic.

I learned how to do this through praying to Her for guidance and

instruction. The thought/methods would reveal themselves to me, and then we

did these things.

 

Since then, I have communed with others, both men and women, and have been

able to show them (again, telepathically) how the Flow is ... my

understanding from cross referencing this is that this is akin to what y'all

might call "channeling shaktipat".

 

So, my point in posting, is that "sex" does not require physical contact

(though I would note that the telepathic journeys I take have VERY real

physical, um, outcomes). It disturbs me somewhat that the illusion of the

separateness implied by the meatsack body is characterizing the debate of

whether "sex" is an appropriate topic with respect to Shakti. To me, each

breath in meditation brings ecstacy - I cannot see how this is in anyway a

bad thing!

 

A couple of practical observations (I don't know if they are generalizable

but they are consistent with me, anyways) ... I have found that the time of

my greatest psychic receptivity is when ovulating ... and would suggest to

any woman seeking the path of tantra to avoid hormonal therapies like birth

control pills. I also have found that periods of extreme solar/magnetic

activity (lots of sunspots and stuff) make psychic communication/communion

more difficult.

 

The old Gaelic literal translation of "I love you" is "I'm other you". To

me, this is an apt summary of Ardhanarishavara.

 

Well, I think I've said enough, and hope I've not said too much! I pray

I've not offended any with my remarks; they are intended only to represent

my point of view and nothing more.

 

 

Namaste,

Nina

[Guest guest]

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>

>, I have been mostly physically celibate for about 25 years or so, not

>for any particular reason, just seemed to work for me at the time, still

>does.)

>

>Well. This connection with the fellow, whom I call my Twin (later, I found

>other references to this term, which was quite surprising to me) was/is

>ecstatic ... well, that's an understatement. It is as if time and space

>are

>meaningless when we meet in meditation. Unbelievable

>sensation/communion/bliss. There have been times where we have connected

>for hours, and I would say it is the best "sex" I've ever had. It is as

>if,

>as we link, chakra by chakra and then all at once, each thought is

>orgasmic.

>I learned how to do this through praying to Her for guidance and

>instruction. The thought/methods would reveal themselves to me, and then

>we

>did these things.

>

>Since then, I have communed with others, both men and women, and have been

>able to show them (again, telepathically) how the Flow is ... my

>understanding from cross referencing this is that this is akin to what

>y'all

>might call "channeling shaktipat".

>

I AM WRITING IN BOLD LETTERS: ARE YOU OR WHERE YOU EVER MARRIED PHYSICALLY

TO YOUR OPPOSITE SEX?

 

iF SO, HOW YOUR PARTNER HANDLE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU?

 

yOU MAY BE PHYSICALLY CELIBATE, Yet, you are ENJOING UNION IN OTHER FORM. Is

this justified?

 

Is this what all spritually evolved people are after? Samadhi, ectasy all

are nothing but sexual orgasm.

 

Since, you talk of orgasm, I presume that you are or were married at some

stage, if not, atleast must have had some serious relationship.

 

I am not against sex or orgasm - My question is, How other partner handle

,when one partner is engaged is spiritual orgasm while other is not? In

normal life, this sort of action can break the soul of opposite sex and

cause lot of pain. raji

[Guest guest]

, "rajeshwari iyer" <rajii31@h...> wrote:

> I AM WRITING IN BOLD LETTERS: ARE YOU OR WHERE YOU EVER MARRIED PHYSICALLY

> TO YOUR OPPOSITE SEX?

 

No. I have had several long term relationships, but have never chosen to be

defined by others into a particular role, such as that which is defined as

"wifegirlfriend" or whatnot.

>

> iF SO, HOW YOUR PARTNER HANDLE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU?

 

I am in a long term relationship, now. It is tough for him, sometimes, but he

knows I have always been very involved in "occult practices". His mother was a

native American shaman, so it is not beyond his realm of understanding. There

was a time, many years ago, where we did have physical sex (note - I'd said

"mostly" in my previous posting), I used it to heal him ... now I heal by

providing a lovely, serene and secure environment for us to live in. He is

uncomfortable with what one might call generally the "invisible world" (I have

many types of dealings with noncorporal beings) .. so we have sort of a "don't

ask, don't tell" policy. It helps also that I am an extremely good cook

>

> yOU MAY BE PHYSICALLY CELIBATE, Yet, you are ENJOING UNION IN OTHER FORM. Is

> this justified?

 

Why should I not enjoy my meditations? Also, I'd like to note that, while the

first seven years were an intended discipline (actually, I disallowed ANY

physical contact of ANY kind, even the most casual) the balance of the time has

just been going with the flow Who knows, this afternoon circumstances might

point me another direction!

>

> Is this what all spritually evolved people are after? Samadhi, ectasy all

> are nothing but sexual orgasm.

 

I have no idea what "all spiritually evolved people are after" ... I find that

it is a very fun and productive way to deepen a meditation, by balancing breath

and flow and ecstacy ... and it allows me to open further, in the same way as

physical excitement in sex induces a deeper embrace.

>

> Since, you talk of orgasm, I presume that you are or were married at some

> stage, if not, atleast must have had some serious relationship.

 

Never married, never had a traditional relationship of any kind, but yes, I am

quite experienced in the physical arena, if that's what you're asking.

>

> I am not against sex or orgasm - My question is, How other partner handle

> ,when one partner is engaged is spiritual orgasm while other is not? In

> normal life, this sort of action can break the soul of opposite sex and

> cause lot of pain.

 

It is not an easy path, but what is? And, as I mentioned above, that just

happens to be the way it is this morning I would not restrict any

possibilities, I just mentioned the celibacy thing as it seemed to be part of

the issues being discussed and therefore perhaps relevant to my point of view.

 

 

Namaste,

Nina

 

 

raji

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