Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving awareness'. `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he becomes god'. I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted few) Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 As I have stressed again and again, it is true that such practices exist. (That does not mean I practice any.) But such practices are very very dangerous unless practiced under a competent Guru. One can get ready and await the advent of such a Guru. Thas all the maximum that can be done. Even if someone knows these techniques one will not speak on the net about specifics. Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote: I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving awareness'. `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he becomes god'. I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted few) Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a female. Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear friend: If you are referring to the following e-mail, I can say with some authority that I DID NOT PEN THAT message. For the convenience of all our members I am quoting below the mail. ************************************** "Brahmins are not allowed to cross oceans and if you do you loose caste. I also read somewhere that the Brahmins, on behalf of some scholar who had crossed the ocean, approached the Shringeri Shankaracharya to see whether there was any exception. He denied and said IF you are following scriptures there is no exception. But still namesake Brahmins who have crossed ocean still strut around claiming superiority. For them it is "convenient" to forget their own pontiff's decree. Similarly, worship at sandhyAs is mandatory for a Brahmana. Many do not do it or combine two or three sandhyas into one. With no scriptural sanction!! Yet its "convenient". When questioned it is “convenience”. “I have to work no? ” Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" ******************************************************** The following portion " Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" is an interpolation. I NEVER SAID THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I DO NOT POST TO THE PARTICULAR GROUP. I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE STATEMENTS THEREIN. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY SOMEONE WHO JUST USED MY NAME!! I WILL TRY TO POST THIS ALSO IN THE SITE IF THEY PERMIT IT. I am just an ordinary upasaka. Bu when discussing shastra I may take one point of view that does not mean that I denigrate other views. If I find my view to be wrong I am ready and willing to change my point of view. I do not know why people should masquerade as me and post comments. Those who do that have their own agenda. I had heard recently that Harsha said that I am anti-Brahmin and uses panchamakaras. I have greatest respect for Mr. Harsha as a person, though I may disagree on some aspects. That has no personal connotations. I try to follow my Guru’s instructions. I am amused at this masquerading and vilification. I am not at all offended. I almost know who did it. But it is none of my business. I need not bother about these people who masquerade as upasakas whereas they are here only to cause dissention and misunderstanding. If you look at the archive you will find my comments on Shankaracharyas and Swami Sivananda whom I hold in great respect. They are NOT ONLY NOT DISRESPECTFUL BUT HIGHLY RESPECTFUL. Anyway thank you for bringing this to my notice. I do hope Harsha sees my reply. I am hurt and saddened at this vilification. What does this Johnny get by that?? Dunno. Further, I would request that anyone coming across such e-mails, reject it immediately as NOT from me but from people with an agenda to vilify Devi upasana and upasakas. I came across an email at the following link on Dec 3, 2005 at 11:50:27 AM, which bears your name. Could you kindly confirm if it you who wrote the cited email. http://pub37.bravenet.com/guestbook/3141052796 Thanks, Balaji -------------- Original message ---------------------- sankara menon sankara menon <kochu1tz Re: Query: Tantra Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:46:28 +0000 As I have stressed again and again, it is true that such practices exist. (That does not mean I practice any.) But such practices are very very dangerous unless practiced under a competent Guru. One can get ready and await the advent of such a Guru. Thas all the maximum that can be done. Even if someone knows these techniques one will not speak on the net about specifics. Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote: I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving awareness'. `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he becomes god'. I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted few) Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a female. 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Kochu does not engage himself in and ever make controversial statements like this. Someone is clearly trying to sabotage his good name. This is very low, and at an all time low. Janardana Dasa sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Dear friend: If you are referring to the following e-mail, I can say with some authority that I DID NOT PEN THAT message. For the convenience of all our members I am quoting below the mail. ************************************** "Brahmins are not allowed to cross oceans and if you do you loose caste. I also read somewhere that the Brahmins, on behalf of some scholar who had crossed the ocean, approached the Shringeri Shankaracharya to see whether there was any exception. He denied and said IF you are following scriptures there is no exception. But still namesake Brahmins who have crossed ocean still strut around claiming superiority. For them it is "convenient" to forget their own pontiff's decree. Similarly, worship at sandhyAs is mandatory for a Brahmana. Many do not do it or combine two or three sandhyas into one. With no scriptural sanction!! Yet its "convenient". When questioned it is “convenience”. “I have to work no? ” Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" ******************************************************** The following portion " Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" is an interpolation. I NEVER SAID THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I DO NOT POST TO THE PARTICULAR GROUP. I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE STATEMENTS THEREIN. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY SOMEONE WHO JUST USED MY NAME!! I WILL TRY TO POST THIS ALSO IN THE SITE IF THEY PERMIT IT. I am just an ordinary upasaka. Bu when discussing shastra I may take one point of view that does not mean that I denigrate other views. If I find my view to be wrong I am ready and willing to change my point of view. I do not know why people should masquerade as me and post comments. Those who do that have their own agenda. I had heard recently that Harsha said that I am anti-Brahmin and uses panchamakaras. I have greatest respect for Mr. Harsha as a person, though I may disagree on some aspects. That has no personal connotations. I try to follow my Guru’s instructions. I am amused at this masquerading and vilification. I am not at all offended. I almost know who did it. But it is none of my business. I need not bother about these people who masquerade as upasakas whereas they are here only to cause dissention and misunderstanding. If you look at the archive you will find my comments on Shankaracharyas and Swami Sivananda whom I hold in great respect. They are NOT ONLY NOT DISRESPECTFUL BUT HIGHLY RESPECTFUL. Anyway thank you for bringing this to my notice. I do hope Harsha sees my reply. I am hurt and saddened at this vilification. What does this Johnny get by that?? Dunno. Further, I would request that anyone coming across such e-mails, reject it immediately as NOT from me but from people with an agenda to vilify Devi upasana and upasakas. I came across an email at the following link on Dec 3, 2005 at 11:50:27 AM, which bears your name. Could you kindly confirm if it you who wrote the cited email. http://pub37.bravenet.com/guestbook/3141052796 Thanks, Balaji -------------- Original message ---------------------- sankara menon sankara menon <kochu1tz Re: Query: Tantra Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:46:28 +0000 As I have stressed again and again, it is true that such practices exist. (That does not mean I practice any.) But such practices are very very dangerous unless practiced under a competent Guru. One can get ready and await the advent of such a Guru. Thas all the maximum that can be done. Even if someone knows these techniques one will not speak on the net about specifics. Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote: I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving awareness'. `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he becomes god'. I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted few) Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a female. Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 I wonder whethe the target was me or Shakti Sadhana. Thats why I posted the mail to the group as well. It is a pity people indulge in such tactics. I think the intention wa something else. Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: Kochu does not engage himself in and ever make controversial statements like this. Someone is clearly trying to sabotage his good name. This is very low, and at an all time low. Janardana Dasa sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: Dear friend: If you are referring to the following e-mail, I can say with some authority that I DID NOT PEN THAT message. For the convenience of all our members I am quoting below the mail. ************************************** "Brahmins are not allowed to cross oceans and if you do you loose caste. I also read somewhere that the Brahmins, on behalf of some scholar who had crossed the ocean, approached the Shringeri Shankaracharya to see whether there was any exception. He denied and said IF you are following scriptures there is no exception. But still namesake Brahmins who have crossed ocean still strut around claiming superiority. For them it is "convenient" to forget their own pontiff's decree. Similarly, worship at sandhyAs is mandatory for a Brahmana. Many do not do it or combine two or three sandhyas into one. With no scriptural sanction!! Yet its "convenient". When questioned it is “convenience”. “I have to work no? ” Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" ******************************************************** The following portion " Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" is an interpolation. I NEVER SAID THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I DO NOT POST TO THE PARTICULAR GROUP. I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE STATEMENTS THEREIN. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY SOMEONE WHO JUST USED MY NAME!! I WILL TRY TO POST THIS ALSO IN THE SITE IF THEY PERMIT IT. I am just an ordinary upasaka. Bu when discussing shastra I may take one point of view that does not mean that I denigrate other views. If I find my view to be wrong I am ready and willing to change my point of view. I do not know why people should masquerade as me and post comments. Those who do that have their own agenda. I had heard recently that Harsha said that I am anti-Brahmin and uses panchamakaras. I have greatest respect for Mr. Harsha as a person, though I may disagree on some aspects. That has no personal connotations. I try to follow my Guru’s instructions. I am amused at this masquerading and vilification. I am not at all offended. I almost know who did it. But it is none of my business. I need not bother about these people who masquerade as upasakas whereas they are here only to cause dissention and misunderstanding. If you look at the archive you will find my comments on Shankaracharyas and Swami Sivananda whom I hold in great respect. They are NOT ONLY NOT DISRESPECTFUL BUT HIGHLY RESPECTFUL. Anyway thank you for bringing this to my notice. I do hope Harsha sees my reply. I am hurt and saddened at this vilification. What does this Johnny get by that?? Dunno. Further, I would request that anyone coming across such e-mails, reject it immediately as NOT from me but from people with an agenda to vilify Devi upasana and upasakas. I came across an email at the following link on Dec 3, 2005 at 11:50:27 AM, which bears your name. Could you kindly confirm if it you who wrote the cited email. http://pub37.bravenet.com/guestbook/3141052796 Thanks, Balaji -------------- Original message ---------------------- sankara menon sankara menon <kochu1tz Re: Query: Tantra Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:46:28 +0000 As I have stressed again and again, it is true that such practices exist. (That does not mean I practice any.) But such practices are very very dangerous unless practiced under a competent Guru. One can get ready and await the advent of such a Guru. Thas all the maximum that can be done. Even if someone knows these techniques one will not speak on the net about specifics. Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote: I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving awareness'. `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he becomes god'. I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted few) Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a female. Visit your group "" on the web. Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 I am familiar with Kochu's posting in this group and that is why I brought this message to his attention. I am aware of his respect for gurus of different Sri Vidya Lineage and the message did not seem to be from him. I just wanted him to be made aware of the existance of such a message on the net. I am glad that matter is cleared up as well as the fact that sKochu is now aware that someone is trying to smear his name. As you aptly stated, it is very low indeed. Balaji -------------- Original message ---------------------- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 It is really sad that people stoop down to such levels. Clearly Kochuji is not the author of this and the fraudster who posted this tried to mimic his style as much as possible. Kochuji knows the Kanchi Paramacharya well and has a high regard for him, as we all know. -yogaman , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller> wrote: > > Kochu does not engage himself in and ever make controversial statements like this. Someone is clearly trying to sabotage his good name. This is very low, and at an all time low. > > Janardana Dasa > > sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > Dear friend: > > If you are referring to the following e-mail, I can say with some authority that I DID NOT PEN THAT message. For the convenience of all our members I am quoting below the mail. > > ************************************** > > "Brahmins are not allowed to cross oceans and if you do you loose caste. I also read somewhere that the Brahmins, on behalf of some scholar who had crossed the ocean, approached the Shringeri Shankaracharya to see whether there was any exception. He denied and said IF you are following scriptures there is no exception. But still namesake Brahmins who have crossed ocean still strut around claiming superiority. For them it is "convenient" to forget their own pontiff's decree. > Similarly, worship at sandhyAs is mandatory for a Brahmana. Many do not do it or combine two or three sandhyas into one. With no scriptural sanction!! Yet its "convenient". When questioned it is "convenience". "I have to work no? > > " Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has > remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - > > sankara menon" > ******************************************************** > The following portion > > " Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has > remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. This is my humble request - sankara menon" > > is an interpolation. I NEVER SAID THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I DO NOT POST TO THE PARTICULAR GROUP. > > I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE STATEMENTS THEREIN. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BY SOMEONE WHO JUST USED MY NAME!! I WILL TRY TO POST THIS ALSO IN THE SITE IF THEY PERMIT IT. > > I am just an ordinary upasaka. Bu when discussing shastra I may take one point of view that does not mean that I denigrate other views. If I find my view to be wrong I am ready and willing to change my point of view. I do not know why people should masquerade as me and post comments. Those who do that have their own agenda. I had heard recently that Harsha said that I am anti-Brahmin and uses panchamakaras. I have greatest respect for Mr. Harsha as a person, though I may disagree on some aspects. That has no personal connotations. I try to follow my Guru's instructions. > > I am amused at this masquerading and vilification. I am not at all offended. I almost know who did it. But it is none of my business. I need not bother about these people who masquerade as upasakas whereas they are here only to cause dissention and misunderstanding. > > If you look at the archive you will find my comments on Shankaracharyas and Swami Sivananda whom I hold in great respect. They are NOT ONLY NOT DISRESPECTFUL BUT HIGHLY RESPECTFUL. > > Anyway thank you for bringing this to my notice. I do hope Harsha sees my reply. > > I am hurt and saddened at this vilification. What does this Johnny get by that?? Dunno. Further, I would request that anyone coming across such e-mails, reject it immediately as NOT from me but from people with an agenda to vilify Devi upasana and upasakas. > > > > I came across an email at the following link on Dec 3, 2005 at 11:50:27 AM, which bears your name. Could you kindly confirm if it you who wrote the cited email. > > > http://pub37.bravenet.com/guestbook/3141052796 > > Thanks, > > Balaji > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > sankara menon > > > > sankara menon <kochu1tz> > > Re: Query: Tantra > Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:46:28 +0000 > > As I have stressed again and again, it is true that such practices exist. (That does not mean I practice any.) But such practices are very very dangerous unless practiced under a competent Guru. > > One can get ready and await the advent of such a Guru. Thas all the maximum that can be done. Even if someone knows these techniques one will not speak on the net about specifics. > > Tulasi <thundergod999> wrote: > > I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving awareness'. > `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he becomes god'. > > I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. > > In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted few) > > Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 ROFL!!! I know from Kochu's geographic location, he cannot access that particular website. This is from personal conversation with Kochu, when I asked him about something on that site and posted a url reference. Kochu was not able to access that site and I copied and pasted some text to him for proper contextual reference. (in case people here wonder how he was able to post a reply to that vile reference, currently he is in a different geographic location, where he went very much after the 3rd december, 2005 - the date on which the earlier message was posted - again the evidence is from my personal conversation with Kochu). Secondly, Kochu never affiliates himself to SS website explicitly, but remains as a contributor on the website. The vile message posted has SS website as Kochu's - can be seen if one hovers the cursor on the website link or click it. Thirdly, Kochu is a brahmin and his guru was one, he knows enough that insulting (which he will not, of course) brahmins is guru nindha - not only his SVU guru but also his guru who initiated him into Gayathri mantra. Last but not the least, I have known Kochu long enough to know that he does not insult other paths. It sounds more like a couple of people have axes to grind. Either one or both have access to this . , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > I wonder whethe the target was me or Shakti Sadhana. Thats why I posted the mail to the group as well. > > It is a pity people indulge in such tactics. I think the intention wa something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 This program (or is it progrom?? *smile*)has a long history, when, for disruption a certain member was banned from this group. I have my own doubts as to whether it is an individual or a group bent upon infliterating and creating trouble in Hindu groups. Then a member here started a group and invited me to join. I forgot about it and never joined. Then someone spoke of it and I wanted to take a peek. I tried to join and the message came that I was banned - even before I joined!! On inquiry (I was a bit harsh i my replies, I know; but then I am human, am I not??) I was told that a very "senior person" told the group owner that I practice "certain things" and so I am ineligible so I was banned.(How this senior person knew of my practices is unknown) The whole thing was a charade. When the people behind this found that I am NOT joining the group they wanted me to come in and note my banning *smile* so they took the devious step of regularly e-mailing people who are in contact with me so that I will ge to know and then get curious and get slapped when i attempt to join. Anyway all the people involved in these charades are members of this group. The moderatrsknow this too. But we are not into the exclusivist doctorines and so we have no problems with anyone joining or contributing. But be restassured there is really no need to hide behind false IDs. They are all welcome here as long as they do not disrupt things. All said and done, is Devi not having a fun filled day!!!! After all she isthe playfllone. Lalita. ROFL!!! I know from Kochu's geographic location, he cannot access that particular website. This is from personal conversation with Kochu, when I asked him about something on that site and posted a url reference. Kochu was not able to access that site and I copied and pasted some text to him for proper contextual reference. (in case people here wonder how he was able to post a reply to that vile reference, currently he is in a different geographic location, where he went very much after the 3rd december, 2005 - the date on which the earlier message was posted - again the evidence is from my personal conversation with Kochu). Secondly, Kochu never affiliates himself to SS website explicitly, but remains as a contributor on the website. The vile message posted has SS website as Kochu's - can be seen if one hovers the cursor on the website link or click it. Thirdly, Kochu is a brahmin and his guru was one, he knows enough that insulting (which he will not, of course) brahmins is guru nindha - not only his SVU guru but also his guru who initiated him into Gayathri mantra. Last but not the least, I have known Kochu long enough to know that he does not insult other paths. It sounds more like a couple of people have axes to grind. Either one or both have access to this . , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > I wonder whethe the target was me or Shakti Sadhana. Thats why I posted the mail to the group as well. > > It is a pity people indulge in such tactics. I think the intention wa something else. International aid Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Forget it my Friend. I know it hurts though. I have just joined your group, and it is wonderful to be here. Buddha said - Sanghang saranang gachhami , company of like-minded people helps one along the Path. In todays day and age, God has been kind enough to allow humans to develop the internet, where we can be together in spirit and words. I wish everyone in Shakti Sadhana a happy and revealing journey ! sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: This program (or is it progrom?? *smile*)has a long history, when, for disruption a certain member was banned from this group. I have my own doubts as to whether it is an individual or a group bent upon infliterating and creating trouble in Hindu groups. Then a member here started a group and invited me to join. I forgot about it and never joined. Then someone spoke of it and I wanted to take a peek. I tried to join and the message came that I was banned - even before I joined!! On inquiry (I was a bit harsh i my replies, I know; but then I am human, am I not??) I was told that a very "senior person" told the group owner that I practice "certain things" and so I am ineligible so I was banned.(How this senior person knew of my practices is unknown) The whole thing was a charade. When the people behind this found that I am NOT joining the group they wanted me to come in and note my banning *smile* so they took the devious step of regularly e-mailing people who are in contact with me so that I will ge to know and then get curious and get slapped when i attempt to join. Anyway all the people involved in these charades are members of this group. The moderatrsknow this too. But we are not into the exclusivist doctorines and so we have no problems with anyone joining or contributing. But be restassured there is really no need to hide behind false IDs. They are all welcome here as long as they do not disrupt things. All said and done, is Devi not having a fun filled day!!!! After all she isthe playfllone. Lalita. ROFL!!! I know from Kochu's geographic location, he cannot access that particular website. This is from personal conversation with Kochu, when I asked him about something on that site and posted a url reference. Kochu was not able to access that site and I copied and pasted some text to him for proper contextual reference. (in case people here wonder how he was able to post a reply to that vile reference, currently he is in a different geographic location, where he went very much after the 3rd december, 2005 - the date on which the earlier message was posted - again the evidence is from my personal conversation with Kochu). Secondly, Kochu never affiliates himself to SS website explicitly, but remains as a contributor on the website. The vile message posted has SS website as Kochu's - can be seen if one hovers the cursor on the website link or click it. Thirdly, Kochu is a brahmin and his guru was one, he knows enough that insulting (which he will not, of course) brahmins is guru nindha - not only his SVU guru but also his guru who initiated him into Gayathri mantra. Last but not the least, I have known Kochu long enough to know that he does not insult other paths. It sounds more like a couple of people have axes to grind. Either one or both have access to this . , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > I wonder whethe the target was me or Shakti Sadhana. Thats why I posted the mail to the group as well. > > It is a pity people indulge in such tactics. I think the intention wa something else. International aid Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. International aid Devi Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Respected sir, Such an article cannot come from you. It is my observation, that your reply's are always brief and to the point. your suggestions are always in response to member's query. You and DB suggested khadagmala, when i asked for help. It was well appreciated by me. I write this out of respect to you. raji. > > >Dear friend: > > If you are referring to the following e-mail, I can say with some >authority that I DID NOT PEN THAT message. For the convenience of all our >members I am quoting below the mail. > > ************************************** > > "Brahmins are not allowed to cross oceans and if you do you loose caste. >I also read somewhere that the Brahmins, on behalf of some scholar who had >crossed the ocean, approached the Shringeri Shankaracharya to see whether >there was any exception. He denied and said IF you are following scriptures >there is no exception. But still namesake Brahmins who have crossed ocean >still strut around claiming superiority. For them it is "convenient" to >forget their own pontiff's decree. > Similarly, worship at sandhyAs is mandatory for a Brahmana. Many do not >do it or combine two or three sandhyas into one. With no scriptural >sanction!! Yet its "convenient". When questioned it is “convenience”. “I >have to work no? > > ” Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the >country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and >their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only >path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. >Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The >secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure >devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi >paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse >vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru >was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to >salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the >same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is >their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and >created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has > remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, >sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these >charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. >This is my humble request - > > sankara menon" > ******************************************************** >The following portion > > " Foolish Brahmins! And we have mutts, in all the four corners of the >country to encourage these idiots. And then we have Sankaracharyas and >their torch-bearers like this harsha in addition. Vamachara is the only >path allowed in kaliyuga. There is no salvation without panchamakaras. >Vedas, as declared by the Kalpasutras, are powerless in kaliyuga. The >secrecy, domination of Brahmins in all walks of life should end. I am sure >devi has started this activity by punishing the 'oft quoted' kaanchi >paramacharya's junior. Next will be the turn of all those who abuse >vamachara. Shreevidhya will not be understood till this happens. My guru >was a Brahmin, a 'pure' one and she taught me panchamakara as the means to >salvation. Realized souls like Amruthananda of Devipuram have taught the >same. So if some Sankaracharya or paramacharya disagree with them, it is >their ignorance. Brahmins have kept all the knowledge to themselves and >created secrecy. But they actually no nothing. r eal antra has > remained away from them. so, to call sankaracharya, paramacharya, >sivananda, some unknown sanyasis as saints is ignorance. Forget these >charlatans and hold the feet of REAL saints like ammachi or amruthanada. >This is my humble request - sankara menon" > > is an interpolation. I NEVER SAID THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I DO NOT >POST TO THE PARTICULAR GROUP. > > I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE STATEMENTS THEREIN. THIS HAS BEEN >POSTED BY SOMEONE WHO JUST USED MY NAME!! I WILL TRY TO POST THIS ALSO IN >THE SITE IF THEY PERMIT IT. > > I am just an ordinary upasaka. Bu when discussing shastra I may take one >point of view that does not mean that I denigrate other views. If I find my >view to be wrong I am ready and willing to change my point of view. I do >not know why people should masquerade as me and post comments. Those who do >that have their own agenda. I had heard recently that Harsha said that I am >anti-Brahmin and uses panchamakaras. I have greatest respect for Mr. Harsha >as a person, though I may disagree on some aspects. That has no personal >connotations. I try to follow my Guru’s instructions. > > I am amused at this masquerading and vilification. I am not at all >offended. I almost know who did it. But it is none of my business. I need >not bother about these people who masquerade as upasakas whereas they are >here only to cause dissention and misunderstanding. > > If you look at the archive you will find my comments on Shankaracharyas >and Swami Sivananda whom I hold in great respect. They are NOT ONLY NOT >DISRESPECTFUL BUT HIGHLY RESPECTFUL. > > Anyway thank you for bringing this to my notice. I do hope Harsha sees >my reply. > > I am hurt and saddened at this vilification. What does this Johnny get >by that?? Dunno. Further, I would request that anyone coming across such >e-mails, reject it immediately as NOT from me but from people with an >agenda to vilify Devi upasana and upasakas. > > > > I came across an email at the following link on Dec 3, 2005 at 11:50:27 >AM, which bears your name. Could you kindly confirm if it you who wrote the >cited email. > > >http://pub37.bravenet.com/guestbook/3141052796 > >Thanks, > >Balaji > >-------------- Original message ---------------------- >sankara menon > > > >sankara menon <kochu1tz > >Re: Query: Tantra >Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:46:28 +0000 > >As I have stressed again and again, it is true that such practices exist. >(That does not mean I practice any.) But such practices are very very >dangerous unless practiced under a competent Guru. > > One can get ready and await the advent of such a Guru. Thas all the >maximum that can be done. Even if someone knows these techniques one will >not speak on the net about specifics. > >Tulasi <thundergod999 wrote: > >I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines `Sex >leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are the secrets >of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a meditating, loving >awareness'. >`If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is revealed in >her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and enters infinity he >becomes god'. > >I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga where >a divine powerful male emerges from a female. > >In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a gifted >few) > >Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about a >shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born from a >female. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Tulasi, The only reason most do not speak of practices is because there are many preparatory practices but there is no way to describe how exactly to merge with the Divine/Infinite. For me, it is easy. For others it takes a lifetime of practice. Still others lack the imagination, entirely. How strong is your practice of dharana/dhyana? When your mental focus/imagination is such that you routinely become the object upon which you are meditating, do that while "flying solo" or with your partner during sex and see what happens. Try being the Sivalinga. Be the Yoni. Be a particular Devi. Know with all your being that your partner is a particular deity, especially one opposite in gender to hir normal earthly self. Try losing your identity entirely to the deity you see in your partner. All of these are forms of merging with the Infinite, Self-identification with the Infinite. Experiment. Merge with the Infinite sufficiently and you will be reborn, a new man with a new life. As it's a Near Death Experience, it'll re-route your neural pathways, forming new connections - all chakras lit up, permanently transforming your consciousness. As with all true initiations, there follows a temporary psychosis. And you'll be mourning your old life for a bit. Then, your new life will take form. Of course, if you manage to completely self-identify with the Infinite/Divinity, completely submerged, we'll be reading your obit. ;-) Good luck, Felicia , "Tulasi" <thundergod999> wrote: > > > I quote from the book `Tantric Love' by Ma Ananda Sarita these lines > `Sex leads to birth and whatever is born has to die. Within sex are > the secrets of life and death, unveiled by entering sex in a > meditating, loving awareness'. > `If a man gathers enough courage and surrender to woman, she is > revealed in her beneficent aspect. As a man is born in reverse and > enters infinity he becomes god'. > > I see a unison in the above concept with the concept of a Shivalinga > where a divine powerful male emerges from a female. > > In today's society people are not interested in higher sex. (only a > gifted few) > > Are there meditations or spiritual practices that one can bring about > a shivalinga effect in solitary practice where the new male is born > from a female. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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