Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes? If so, when it is possible?

[Guest guest]

Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes? If so, when it is

possible?

 

Regards

[Guest guest]

, "upendrav2003"

<upendrav2003> wrote:

>

> Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes? If so, when it is

> possible?

>

> Regards

>

 

 

Your' mother is alive? She is the living Goddess for you

 

You're married ? Then Your wife is your goddess.

 

Look out of your windows? See any ladies out there. Dosent matter who

they are. They are the manifestation of the Goddess herself. For all

you know that awful, smelly and stinky looking physically disable lady

or man who comes knocking at your door begging for Food, is Devi

herself in one of her many disguise.

 

 

Hope not too Late : Happy New Year everybody. Every year will always

be a good and happy one, if we learn to see the goodness in it all.

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for your reply. I have no second thought to

accept living mother as goddess, but I am confused a bit to accept

wife as living goddess. Though both of them are women and

representation of goddess, you are well aware both of them enjoy

different status. I would never feel wrong to raise my hands and

offer salute to my mother which I would never do it to wife and I

never saw anyone doing so.

 

I shall be thankful if you could explain how wife can be comparable

as goddess and if so, then what would happen to relationship between

husband and wife? I don't believe anyone would ever want God /

Goddess as his/her husband / wife.

 

WISH YOU A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2006.

 

Regards

[Guest guest]

Look Inside, She is There Too ....... yeh ! we is physical, ain't we ;-)

[Guest guest]

, "upendrav2003"

<upendrav2003> wrote:

>

> Thank you very much for your reply. I have no second thought to

> accept living mother as goddess, but I am confused a bit to accept

> wife as living goddess. Though both of them are women and

> representation of goddess, you are well aware both of them enjoy

> different status. I would never feel wrong to raise my hands and

> offer salute to my mother which I would never do it to wife and I

> never saw anyone doing so.

>

> I shall be thankful if you could explain how wife can be

comparable

> as goddess and if so, then what would happen to relationship

between

> husband and wife? I don't believe anyone would ever want God /

> Goddess as his/her husband / wife.

>

> WISH YOU A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2006.

>

> Regards

 

 

I do not make this up. Its in the tantras. All women are the

manifestation of Devi. Im being taught, All women are Shakti and All

men are Shiva. We had this discussion before about Wife as a Devi

when somebody send me an offline message calling me an idiotic

person for saying those. hey! its not my statement. Its a message

from my guru to be delivered to a person concern. He is kind enough

to allow me to quote it in the group so that others may learn from

it too.

 

And do you know what, this is what comes back to me: "Nora I like to

thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We quarrel less

often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

 

The discussion is somewhere out there in the message board. Perhaps

another discussion which may be of interest to you is : on Kumari

Pooja. Perhaps somebody would be kind enough to direct our member

here the whereabout of this discussion.

 

I know it can get really messy and confuse when you try to go

through them all. What ive been doing for the past few days when im

back home [offline], is to edit all the daily message and compile

all these discussion into respective topics. This will subsequently

goes to the homepage. I'm suppose to put them there before the new

year as promise, but time is not on my side. I will try to work on

it as soon as possible.

[Guest guest]

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote: And do you know what, this is what comes back to me: "Nora I

like to thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We

quarrel less often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

 

 

Who change? The Wife or the Husband or both of them?

[Guest guest]

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

> , "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote: And do you know what, this is what comes back to me: "Nora

I

> like to thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We

> quarrel less often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

>

>

> Who change? The Wife or the Husband or both of them?

>

Thank you Nora & Felicia for providing nice replies and

information to my posting. I only have mother and I always give

equal respect to her as Goddess and there is no confusion in it. I

am not married, hence I am not in a position to comment about how to

view wife as mistress or Goddess. (Again even mistress is a child

of GOD).

 

But I too read in some internet postings saying that there is only

one Universal mother and remaining all are shivas and shaktis who

are creation of universal mother. It is universal mother who

created shiva and shakti, who in turn created more shivas and

shaktis and so on. It even probably go to the extent to overrule

the definition of family structure, because in this path there is no

place for definition of brother and sister.

 

Whatever may be the fact, we have to accept the fact that everyone

is child of GOD and family definition is only social discipline and

nothing to do with GOD. Everyone is answerable individually for

their KARMA (not with anyone from family) to GOD at the end of life.

 

I thank once again Nora and Felicia for providing nice feed back. I

want one advise from you that today I am having direct relationship

with living mother, I can see her, sit next to her and she feeds me

with varieties of food and always wish best things to happen to me

in life. I am receiving her direct services in every part of life.

In the same manner I wish to develop direct relationship with

Goddess same as I enjoy direct relationship with living mother

without any communicaton gap between us. I am not satisfied with

mere bhavana (feeling) of existence/manifestation of Goddess.

 

Can someone please advise me how to achieve this kind of strong

relationship with Goddess same as with living mother?

 

Regards

[Guest guest]

, "upendrav2003"

<upendrav2003> wrote:

>

> , "NMadasamy"

<nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > , "NMadasamy"

> <nmadasamy@s...>

> > wrote: And do you know what, this is what comes back to

me: "Nora

> I

> > like to thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We

> > quarrel less often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

> >

> >

> > Who change? The Wife or the Husband or both of them?

> >

> Thank you Nora & Felicia for providing nice replies and

> information to my posting. I only have mother and I always give

> equal respect to her as Goddess and there is no confusion in it.

I

> am not married, hence I am not in a position to comment about how

to

> view wife as mistress or Goddess. (Again even mistress is a child

> of GOD).

>

> But I too read in some internet postings saying that there is only

> one Universal mother and remaining all are shivas and shaktis who

> are creation of universal mother. It is universal mother who

> created shiva and shakti, who in turn created more shivas and

> shaktis and so on. It even probably go to the extent to overrule

> the definition of family structure, because in this path there is

no

> place for definition of brother and sister.

>

> Whatever may be the fact, we have to accept the fact that everyone

> is child of GOD and family definition is only social discipline

and

> nothing to do with GOD. Everyone is answerable individually for

> their KARMA (not with anyone from family) to GOD at the end of

life.

>

> I thank once again Nora and Felicia for providing nice feed back.

I

> want one advise from you that today I am having direct

relationship

> with living mother, I can see her, sit next to her and she feeds

me

> with varieties of food and always wish best things to happen to me

> in life. I am receiving her direct services in every part of

life.

> In the same manner I wish to develop direct relationship with

> Goddess same as I enjoy direct relationship with living mother

> without any communicaton gap between us. I am not satisfied with

> mere bhavana (feeling) of existence/manifestation of Goddess.

>

> Can someone please advise me how to achieve this kind of strong

> relationship with Goddess same as with living mother?

>

> Regards

>

 

 

Go out and do social service. That is your service to the Universal

mother. Ask for no pay. Nothing in return. Do with devotion.

Everything you do is for her. Every step is for her.

[Guest guest]

upendrav2003 wrote:But I too read in some internet postings saying

that there is only one Universal mother and remaining all are shivas

and shaktis who are creation of universal mother. It is universal

mother who created shiva and shakti, who in turn created more shivas

and shaktis and so on. It even probably go to the extent to

overrule the definition of family structure, because in this path

there is no place for definition of brother and sister.

 

 

Now you must be careful of which site you are reading. There are

many path in Hinduism and each have its own theories. You have come

to us and you ask, and we responded as we see it. So my stand is

that, you cannot take 100% whatever you read in the internet.

Eventually you go back to your guidance. Your teacher, your guru or

whatever. Please remember that you are in a Shakta group. Shakta

Tantrics to be precise. So you or many others may not agree with our

views neither do we go around to other group like an evangelical

missionaries criticising other practices. We do not claim our path

to be THE ONLY path to DEVI.

 

 

You wrote again : Whatever may be the fact, we have to accept the

fact that everyone is child of GOD and family definition is only

social discipline and nothing to do with GOD. Everyone is

answerable individually for their KARMA (not with anyone from

family) to GOD at the end of life.

 

 

I disagree with this statement. Why do we use this family

definition? Because it's something we can related to. Where our mind

can understand better. If you try to explain all those without the

family definition people will not understand. That is why its often

say : you eventually internalize all these. The same with images. We

use images as the basic foundation, eventually as you mature

spiritually, image does not mean anything to you, because DEVI is

Brahman is formless.

 

This child and mother relationship is one of the most simplest and

the easiest. Why? because its easy for us to relate to. It is also

the first step in this devotional path. A child will remain a child.

A separate entity with the mother. The main purpose of our sadhana

is to merge with the divine and be one with HER and thereafter we

become her. We transcend to become Lalitha or Durga or Kali etc. We

stop becoming this child but we are the GODDESS herself.

 

As long as you are a child, you remain a child. Your statement about

mother nourishing a child is yes! practical but only at this child

and mother relationship. A child must grow. Choosing not to grow is

the same as refusing to change, which eventually will lead to own

death. Someone did come here once and say : I do not want to merge

with DEVI. I want to be at her lotus feet all the time, enjoying the

bliss presence of DEVI. My only remark will be : You are like an

undergraduate student, who chooses not to graduate. While others

[your peers] graduate, specialise in their field of choice and able

to contribute and make a different to humanity, you remain stuck.

 

 

I like to share a conversation I had long time ago with one

of our senior member[ P1 is one of our senior member.]

 

Nora:

you agree when I say the mother and child it the simpliest and

perhaps the first step into any devotion towards DEVI. And we change

this mode accordingly to our spiritual progress ?

 

P1 : Yes, thats why we call her MAA. As you advance she becomes the

child and you the father/mother (Bala); then she becomes lover

(panchadashi) and then she becomes the eternal maiden (Shodashi). It

is only at the panchadashi mode sex has any role

 

Nora:

So only when you have spiritually advance, she becomes the lover but

more symbolic in nature. You approach her sexually ?

 

P1:

Of course symbolic. Actually at that stage for some sadhaks there is

sexual approach.

 

Nora :

So how does this becomes a lover fits in.

 

P1: Because when you really love, both are one

 

Nora:

Now the whole thing make sense to me. Sometime back in the group, I

saw a picture of Ramakrishna and Sarada Devi holding Kali as a Baby

and is sitting on Sarada Devi's lap, while Ramakrishna looks on like

a proud father.

 

[end of conversation]

 

 

Yes! Now this whole conversation make sense to me. Why initially the

divine is the mother thereafter move to be the child, and later as

lover. My mother use to tell me once : only when you have become

a mother you will understand why mothers react as they are towards

their children. And indeed I do now.

 

Why divine move to be our child? What happen when we become the

parent. We become very protective. We want to give the best to our

child. We want our child to grow to be a better person and able to

do better than us. Isn't this the aspirations of most parent? We

know if we nurture our young well, they will eventually grow to be

better people. And as mother, our needs are not important anymore.

We focus all our attention towards our child. We sacrifice our own

comfort so that our child will strive. Even when we are sleep [no

matter how deep is our sleep], the cries of the child will awaken

us. Does this brings us in mind of how Shiva himself transform

himself into a crying child, so that he can invoke the motherly

instinct in Kali when She goes into a rampage after winning the

battle?

 

This are just my rampling thoughts.

[Guest guest]

Greetings,,,

I can answer to your question.

 

There's one thing you can do about this and this is to change your attitude

toward women and then to be like a child and see in Her (Devi) your Mother or

like a vira and see in Her (Devi) your shakti, and doing so, many times

depending what you choose to be, you will discover Her (Devi) and see Her (Devi)

with your own eyes.

 

Dave,

 

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upendrav2003 <upendrav2003 wrote:

Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes? If so, when it is

possible?

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yes, it's uncanny but true. Just last night in bed, I watched my wife cuddle

and caress our infant daughter and they spoke to each other in with their eyes,

touch and through sounds; and in that moment, I felt the incarnation of the

Goddess.

 

Mike

 

 

david keller <davekeller121

Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:59:24 -0800 (PST)

Re: Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes?

If so, when it is possible?

 

 

 

Greetings,,,

I can answer to your question.

 

There's one thing you can do about this and this is to change your attitude

toward women and then to be like a child and see in Her (Devi) your Mother or

like a vira and see in Her (Devi) your shakti, and doing so, many times

depending what you choose to be, you will discover Her (Devi) and see Her (Devi)

with your own eyes.

 

Dave,

 

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upendrav2003 <upendrav2003 wrote:

Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes? If so, when it is

possible?

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "" on the web.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes?

EVERYTHING seen with the physical eyes is an expression of the Goddess!

[Guest guest]

Greetings Mike,

This is one of the best examples which show Devi's pure manifestation in this

World. On those intimate moments we forget about our limited Self (ego) and

something else replaces it that is greater than us.

You just experienced it in a way so marvelous that I am happy for you.

Good Luck !

I must tell you that by seeing this and understanding what you saw you are

close to the top of the mountain (metaphorically speaking).

 

Dave.

 

maxwlpwr wrote:

Yes, it's uncanny but true. Just last night in bed, I watched my wife cuddle

and caress our infant daughter and they spoke to each other in with their eyes,

touch and through sounds; and in that moment, I felt the incarnation of the

Goddess.

 

Mike

[Guest guest]

He change ;-)

 

Come on, even Shiva lay prostate belly up before Kali :-)

 

You know I interpret this as absolute love for Kali. Here is this horrific

power (shakti) uncontrollable able to probably knock Shiva's block-off, and this

gentleman in his uncontrollable love fr her lies down in front of this

approaching storm, thinking hoping " oh please, please come to me, please, I

love you so much. come I want you any and every way you can come. please come"

And she approachs, even though ablaze in her shakti. In her love approaches him

as he has surrendered/embraced (thanks Felicia :-) for the positive equivalent

to surrender=embrace ) - nudges him with her foot, and says 'Hey Babe, let's

Dance !"

 

In Vipassana, Goenkaji equates this posture to we having gone so beserk

slaying/regenerating Aversion and Desire, the two Generals of the Asura force,

that we supress our true 'Mangalam' . This too makes sense ... but I'd rather

be Shiva :-)

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: --- In

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote: And do you know what, this is what comes back to me: "Nora I

like to thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We

quarrel less often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

 

 

Who change? The Wife or the Husband or both of them?

[Guest guest]

, Redder Red <redderred>

wrote:

>

> He change ;-)

>

> Come on, even Shiva lay prostate belly up before Kali :-)

>

> You know I interpret this as absolute love for Kali. Here is this

horrific power (shakti) uncontrollable able to probably knock

Shiva's block-off, and this gentleman in his uncontrollable love fr

her lies down in front of this approaching storm, thinking hoping "

oh please, please come to me, please, I love you so much. come I

want you any and every way you can come. please come" And she

approachs, even though ablaze in her shakti. In her love approaches

him as he has surrendered/embraced (thanks Felicia :-) for the

positive equivalent to surrender=embrace ) - nudges him with her

foot, and says 'Hey Babe, let's Dance !"

>

> In Vipassana, Goenkaji equates this posture to we having gone so

beserk slaying/regenerating Aversion and Desire, the two Generals of

the Asura force, that we supress our true 'Mangalam' . This too

makes sense ... but I'd rather be Shiva :-)

>

> NMadasamy <nmadasamy@s...> wrote: --- In

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

> wrote: And do you know what, this is what comes back to me: "Nora

I

> like to thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We

> quarrel less often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

>

>

> Who change? The Wife or the Husband or both of them?

>

I received one nice reply from one of devotees which I would like to

share with other members. Here is message --

 

----------------------------

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote

 

Namaskaar

 

Yes it is possible, all that has to happen is that a fraction of the

main universal energy disssociates itself from the whole and lowers

it frequency to match what the human can see. What is not

understood is that depending on the level of the sadhak whose

vibration may be higher than that of others he/she may see this

clearly while they cannot if they are of a lower vibration. This

happens when one is performing intensive mantra sadhana, normally

though the deity will only manifest from consciousness to a state

where it can be seen with the third eye, it takes too much energy to

descend to a physical form. The wroship tha we perform is not

significant enough to warrant descent to a physical form and deities

do not waste energy.

 

Pandit Devindra Maharaj