Is it possible to see Goddess with physical eyes? If so, when it is possibl

[Guest guest]

To what Nora has said, I will add a couple things. After you mine the

archives for the material she has mentioned, also consider this:

 

~ We are each of us dreaming God/desses until we awaken.

 

~ Everyone around you is God/dess. Notice that all the myths from

every culture about all the myriad deities - the deities are all

flawed - none are perfect.

 

~ If you cannot see the Devi in your spouse, perhaps you are not yet

awake to your own Godhood?

 

~ If you wish to awaken to the God/magician you are and awaken your

spouse, you might try doing Kali puja to your wife as this fellow in

Napa valley, Northern California, who goes by the name Swami

Satyananda Sarawati has outlined in his book _Kali Puja_. Or just do a

websearch and get a copy of Kali puja online. Your wife is murti

until you install Devi in her.

 

Love,

Felicia

 

> , "upendrav2003"

> <upendrav2003> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you very much for your reply. I have no second thought to

> > accept living mother as goddess, but I am confused a bit to accept

> > wife as living goddess. Though both of them are women and

> > representation of goddess, you are well aware both of them enjoy

> > different status. I would never feel wrong to raise my hands and

> > offer salute to my mother which I would never do it to wife and I

> > never saw anyone doing so.

> >

> > I shall be thankful if you could explain how wife can be

> comparable

> > as goddess and if so, then what would happen to relationship

> between

> > husband and wife? I don't believe anyone would ever want God /

> > Goddess as his/her husband / wife.

> >

> > WISH YOU A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2006.

> >

> > Regards

>

>

> I do not make this up. Its in the tantras. All women are the

> manifestation of Devi. Im being taught, All women are Shakti and All

> men are Shiva. We had this discussion before about Wife as a Devi

> when somebody send me an offline message calling me an idiotic

> person for saying those. hey! its not my statement. Its a message

> from my guru to be delivered to a person concern. He is kind enough

> to allow me to quote it in the group so that others may learn from

> it too.

>

> And do you know what, this is what comes back to me: "Nora I like to

> thank your guru. Now when I see my wife as the Devi, We quarrel less

> often. 90% drop in our quarrel"

>

> The discussion is somewhere out there in the message board. Perhaps

> another discussion which may be of interest to you is : on Kumari

> Pooja. Perhaps somebody would be kind enough to direct our member

> here the whereabout of this discussion.

>

> I know it can get really messy and confuse when you try to go

> through them all. What ive been doing for the past few days when im

> back home [offline], is to edit all the daily message and compile

> all these discussion into respective topics. This will subsequently

> goes to the homepage. I'm suppose to put them there before the new

> year as promise, but time is not on my side. I will try to work on

> it as soon as possible.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, and consider this, too:

 

"He had studied the Vedas. Like all vaidiks of his time he took to

priesthood and was eking out a living. Driven by poverty he

approached some one to teach him a Mantra for getting rich quickly.

Having got the Mantra, he took his seat in the front courtyard of his

house and began practising the repetition of the Mantra. Two hours

would have passed and the Vaidik saw a beggar woman at his door. it

was not an uncommon thing; he did not attempt to drive her away as he

did not want his japa to be interrupted by some words spoken in

between. The beggar woman who was in tatters stooped down, patiently

untied the knots of a bundle of rags, took out the small coins kept

there and before the Vaidik knew what she was doing, threw the coins

at his feet. The Vaidik natural was taken aback and began to

remonstrate, "Why, you have been asking for this for the past two

hours" said she and went her way. The Vaidik stopped repeating his

Mantra in sheer disgust and vowed that never again would he go after

such pursuits.

 

This incident which happened years ago is quoted here for the flood of

light it throws on certain basic principles of Tantra Shastra.

Evidently, the man contacted with the help of the formula given to him

an entity or a spirit, a low class of deity which caught hold of the

human vehicle of the beggar woman and within two hours made her part

with the pittance she had in favour of the man. The deity responded

quickly, as being in the lower rungs of the cosmic ladder nearest to

the earth-plane it was within easy reach of human beings; and its

power was limited to grant only so much of money to the one who called

for its assistance." -- excerpted from _The Ten Great Cosmic Powers,

Dasa Mahavidyas_ by S. Shankaranarayanan.

[Guest guest]

Nora,

 

for upendrav2003 (what is your name, please?)

 

I think it is necessary to point out that one cannot see Devi with

physical eyes until one has developed the eyes to see. One has eyes

to see Devi when one is Deva. To be Deva, there are many methods

which I can liken to a martial artist's oneness with each kata (loss

of self in each kata--crane, tiger, etc), or a musician's loss of self

in the music (one with music and musical instrument), or a listener's

loss of self in the music "moved by the music", or a surfer's loss of

self/oneness with/in the wave.

 

Nora, you asked about my path. Here is a glimpse (this is pertinent

to your dilemmas upendrav2003, so please read on:

 

I was raised by parents who eschewed all organized religion. So, I

did not have to overcome the crazy programming of Christianity, Islam,

Judaism, or other. Unlike people in other parts of the world, I grew

up in a culture where one can openly express public displays of

affection (kiss and hug one's beloved) for example upon seeing hir

(short for him or her) in the airport for the first time in months.

So, I did not have that crazy cultural taboo to cope with. Being

raised in California (Land of fruits (gays), nuts (crazy people), and

flakes (people with no follow-through) also a reference to packaged

breakfast cereals);->, I take many things for granted which are not

available to others in other parts of the US or the world.

 

While I dwell in a culture which very much embodies the backlash to

the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s, with lovely, clothing

optional yoga and hot springs retreat centers within a couple hours of

my home, the overriding culture in the US is dominated by puritanical

morals which allow freedom of speech as long as pornography is not

prominently displayed in storefronts or magazine stands, where the

stars of TV and other media do not look like other people and often

have their flesh surgically altered for a variety of reasons which are

unnatural. The culture worships youth in all its forms and

ghetto-izes middle-aged and older women, especially if a woman does

not embrace the narrow roles of devoted daughter, loving mother or

grandmother but instead is as aggressive as some of the Dasa

MahaVidyas. God forbid a woman is a virago or going through the

craziness of menopause! Obviously, many people besides upendrav2003

are unable to see Devi all about them, manifest in many forms!

"wrapped in frenzy of form" as one poet wrote. ;->

 

I grew up in a household with many museum reproductions and folkloric

art of Mexico, including hand-woven wool rugs and statues depicting

the various gods of the ancient cultures of Mexico. So, from thetime

I can remember, I was naturally doing what Western magicians refer to

as godform assumption (assuming the identity of a form of a god),

especially fond of ChacMul, Fire God whose fire is in a pit in his

belly. Imagine my surprise, many years later, to discover fire in dan

tien in martial arts and fire in manipura - different traditions from

other cultures.

 

When I was 10yo, I was sent to a year of self-defense karate classes

where I learned the katas. I was considered a promising student

because I self-identified with each kata and was able to hold each

form with good balance - not difficult on a padded mat. ;->

But, I did not enjoy the requisite sparring. As an adult, I prefer

verbal "sparring" of clever repartee. ;-> Later, I learned far more

practical self-defence moves in a course for adult women.

Fortunately, I have never been attacked nor raped. So, I do not have

the accompanying PTSD to overcome or work around. Instead, I have

other challenges in my life, some of which I create or choose. ;->

But, being Devi, seeing Devi and Deva all about me are not my challenges.

 

I wish you well upendrav2003 and suggest, if you truly do wish to see

Devi and cannot do so with all the methods I have mentioned, here and

in my previous post to you in this group, take up the sadhana which is

published in the Bihar school of yoga books I recommended to RedderRed

in another thread on this group. Also, I suggest reading books

regarding the Dasa Mahavidyas, most especially _The Ten Great Cosmic

Powers_ by S. Shankaranarayanan who is said to be a very deep initiate

of Sri Vidya. Then, perhaps you will open your eyes, one day. Perhaps

not.

 

Love,

Felicia

[Guest guest]

, "Felicia" <hygeiea44@l...>

wrote:

>

> Nora,

>

> for upendrav2003 (what is your name, please?)

>

> I think it is necessary to point out that one cannot see Devi with

> physical eyes until one has developed the eyes to see. One has

eyes to see Devi when one is Deva. To be Deva, there are many

methods which I can liken to a martial artist's oneness with each

kata (loss of self in each kata--crane, tiger, etc), or a musician's

loss of self in the music (one with music and musical instrument),

or a listener's loss of self in the music "moved by the music", or a

surfer's loss of self/oneness with/in the wave.

 

 

But you see Felicia, this young man wants to see Devi in her

physical form. And I think I have given the most logical example "

look around you". The physical aspect of your surrounding. Because

Devi is all around us. Once you have love Devi, have seen and feel

her, all around you is Devi. I point out about the kumari pooja

because that is being told to me by my guru : When I hesitate to

prostrate before my daughter who being selected as a kumari on that

navarathri night. Im being told : At that particular moment in time,

that young girl sitting there is not your daughter but Devi

herself.

 

 

"Nora, you asked about my path. Here is a glimpse (this is pertinent

to your dilemmas upendrav2003, so please read on:"

 

I dont remember asking you. Because its not my habit to go around

asking people : what's your path!. Perhaps somebody else.

[Guest guest]

>

> But you see Felicia, this young man wants to see Devi in her

> physical form. And I think I have given the most logical example "

> look around you". The physical aspect of your surrounding. Because

> Devi is all around us. Once you have love Devi, have seen and feel

> her, all around you is Devi. I point out about the kumari pooja

> because that is being told to me by my guru : When I hesitate to

> prostrate before my daughter who being selected as a kumari on that

> navarathri night. Im being told : At that particular moment in

time,

> that young girl sitting there is not your daughter but Devi

> herself.

 

Nora i like your answer, it makes me happy,in fact i think it is

brilliant and perfect. It needs no addition.

 

I just like to narrate what happened to me yesterday, i was glancing

though the Pages of the vivekadarpana also known as the gorakha

amaranath samvada (Dialog between Goraksa and Amaranatha) this is

written in a secret Alphabet called sakalalipi which was used from

the 14th century onward in maharashtra , so that the invading muslims

could not read the texts and that way to protect them from

destruction and distortion by enemies of the Sampradaya. This policy

was sucessful at least in this case.

I read the first four verses and was reminded of the question that

started this discussion:

 

1.1 The Principle of "I am" (sohamtatva) is a lamp (dipa) and its glow

(prakasha) it is emanating Jnana (Knowledge) and Iccha (Will). It

is emptiness without any support, spontaneously (apemapa- which is

similar to sahaja) self existing a female in company (wife).

1.2 Maya is dreamlike

1.3 In space: the Sun, on earth: the Sunstone (is situated) without

being actors and having a will , out ouf the union of both fire

manifests. This is the Moving of the self nature. During the union

of Maya the five elements are formend: the visible objects together

with Wishes and Concepts.

1.4 Like in the Sky differing colors appear that do not exist by

themselves or in the sky appears a city of Gandharvas (illusion of an

aerial City) or in another second a Heap of clouds looks like a

mountain In this way is the Appeareance of the world, it is formend

naturally.

 

I was thinking about this and i remembered the question of this

posting. Maybe another Question is more relevant: Is it possible to

open the physical eyes and NOT see the devi?

 

Mahahradanatha.

[Guest guest]

for better understanding i have to add that the "sunstone" mentionend

in the text, is an optical lens used to ignite fire.

[Guest guest]

Nora,

 

Sometimes it is a long and winding road to develop the ability to see

what you and I see all around us as Devi and to *know* this is Devi.

Upendrav asked *HOW*. I give various methods. You give others.

Maharhadanath gives more still. Perhaps upendrav will find something

in all these responses. :-)

 

Also, I looked back through the messages. Indeed, not you who asked

about my path. My error. :-)

 

Love,

Felicia

 

> > But you see Felicia, this young man wants to see Devi in her

> > physical form. And I think I have given the most logical example "

> > look around you". The physical aspect of your surrounding. Because

> > Devi is all around us. Once you have love Devi, have seen and feel

> > her, all around you is Devi. I point out about the kumari pooja

> > because that is being told to me by my guru : When I hesitate to

> > prostrate before my daughter who being selected as a kumari on that

> > navarathri night. Im being told : At that particular moment in

> time,

> > that young girl sitting there is not your daughter but Devi

> > herself.

[Guest guest]

I give various methods. You give others.

> Maharhadanath gives more still.

 

I am sorry and i like to apolgize if i gave you and maybe others the

impression that i give methods.

Maybe it is because english is not my mother tongue and i am not able

to express myself fluently enough.

I only want to share my impressions and feelings and information with

others on this list.

 

Mahahradanatha