Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Dear Ralph I don´t want to teach methods or any of the other names you put in the Heading, this is a misunderstanding. Namaste, Misunderstanding is often triple. I am not a Kashmir Shaiva i do not practice Shambhavopaya, or any of the other Kashmir shaiva upayas. This i think is purely a problem of wording. Kashmir Saivism is also not a creed. In essence it also is not a religion although the leaders speak about Bhairava. The Nath Sampradaya where i belong to has a very practical down to earth approach that includes Hatha Yoga and Yantra practices which would correspond to what is considered the path for the lowest aspirants in Kashmir Shaivaism: anavopaya,it is not even strictly Shaiva or Shakta but only a mixture of both. It is my humble opinion that you write this out of lack of presice understanding how the four Upayas in Kashmir Saivism relate. There is not an order in them. 'An Upaya' means an approach and the Goddess can be approached from different directions. A true bhakta experiences different kriyas and a variety of actions are undertaken that can range from reading the scriptures, adoring the deity, worshipping the guru, practising strong discipline, running, contemplation, pranayama, breath-awareness, dancing, rapture, a practise to deconstruct time, hatkapaka or yantra-worship. One of my masters practises Sri Vidya with a rubi yantra. If you are implying that i consider your sadhana or life-style as 'low' or that i would merely call you an aspirant i am truly sorry to hear this. None of the original masters or authors ever intended this. I pray you understand and agree. It does not even have its Origin in one of the 4 Amnayas of Shaiva Doctrine. Even some muslims are nathas- i am without a caste, creed or religion *g* Can you explain what an Amnaya is? In my education i have not heard this word before. I am not sure whether the Sampradaya to which i belong has its origin in one of the Amnayas of Shaiva Doctrine. Moment later ... it is already answered. Our sampradaya also does not arise out of those amnayas or amnayins. In our Sampradaya or school there are also muslims. Om. Mahahradanatha Kind regards, Ralph Nataraj Cz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 .. Dear Ralph > If you are implying that i consider your sadhana or life-style >as 'low' or that i would merely call you an aspirant i am truly >sorry to hear this. None of the original masters or authors ever >intended this. I pray you understand and agree. I wasn´t implying this-i was implying the opposite , that you overestimated my position-anavopaya would be more correct to describe my practice than shambhavopaya if i relate myself to the language of Kashmir Shaivaismus as little as i know of it. I was of the opinion that Kashmir Shaivas prefer following the mental processes at least those few remaining traditional teachers in this century like Sri Swami Lakshman joo. > Can you explain what an Amnaya is? In my education i have not heard this word before. I am not sure whether the Sampradaya to which i belong has its origin in one of the Amnayas of Shaiva Doctrine. > Amnayas are faces of Shiva that uttered the doctrine in all the directions of Space. Trika (which i think how Kashmir shaivaism is actually called?) i was told belongs to the Purvamnaya and was taught by Khagendranatha. (from dakshinamnaya= shrikula emanated from uttaramnaya= -Kalikula emanated.Natha panth is maybe connected with the pashchimamnaya, because it also connects with the sabara mantras of the tree spirits and with bhadrakali, and mahabhairava, which are also prominent in the kubjika mata belonging to the Pashchiamnaya and the Teacher who emanated it is Srinatha. (maybe similar to adinatha?) but as i said i have no idea- so i wrote that one cannot even say out of what Amnaya the teaching really came, some say also that the Natha Sampradaya comes from the infamous kapalika tradition because many teachers are the same in both list. There are also the 2 hidden Amnayas more than the traditional 4 they are for the upper and lower directions and are supposed to contain some extraordinary teachings. There is very little information i have maybe others know more about the differences, Maybe the 2 extra Amnayas are relevant in shrikula only? i don´t know. > Mahahradanatha > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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