What is freedom? [Karmic retribution and Hell]

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> > > , "Tulasi"

> > <thundergod999>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When one dies, a person is reborn. He suffers the

consequence

> of

> > his

> > > > past life as karmic retribution and the person is subjected

to

> > > > sufferings when on earth.

> > > >

> > > > After death there is also a place called hell where one is

> > subjected

> > > > to suffering for the wrong doings while one is on earth.

> > > >

> > > > Why is there a double punishment for a single crime, both

hell

> > and

> > > > karmic retribution?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If hell = earth, it would make sense.

> >

> >

> > If you say hell is earth, and Devi is the earth itself. Are you

> > implying Devi is hell?

> >

> > Its my believe that it is us/you/we who turn hell into heaven

and

> > vice versa. Instead of spending the time lamenting about this

> karmic

> > retribution, what I think we should be doing is to reflect back

at

> > our present moment It is said : live for the present. I am here

> now.

> > This is what I am. What can I do about it. How can I turn this

> > lifetime into a more productive and meaningful. Dont you agree?

> >

>

> I was referring to "hell" and "earth" as the realm of forms,

here.

> To me, freedom from the self-limiting assumption of forms is

> progression as a human being.

>

> But in answer to Ur question, is there anything SHe is not?

>

> 93,

> Nina

 

 

What is wrong with the earth that you consider it as hell? That is

the point im asking you. I remember reading a note [ published in

Times Mag ] written by an American Soldier died in Vietnam War, and

it goes "I Know when I die I will go to heaven because Ive been to

hell".

 

She is everything. There is nothing that SHE is not. Good and bad

comes from her. If we look for the goodness that arises from bad

happening, then goodness will emerge. What ever happen is for a

reason. Just as our presence here in the net in Shakti Sadhana is

for a specific reason. Your presence here too is for a reason. YOu

have been silence for a long time since joining the group, why

suddenly you decide to voice out.

 

During Christmas a group of muneeswaran devotees celebrated their

temple anniversary with prayers. The temple that they build have

been demolished. I sense sadness when they relate to me about the

incidence but my only response is :- im happy despite the

fact that temple being demolished the muneeswaran devotees still

willing to gather again it may not at the same place they use to be,

but somewhere.

 

The thing I see is this coming together of people. The temple is

just a physical representation of our devotion. The real test is not

how big or grand the temple Or which great soul/sage have come to

blessed the temple, but when the temple is no more there. How

devoted are the people to maintain the bond that brings them

together in the first place. TO sit and worry about the past will

not change anything. But we can change the future by doing what is

right today. Because today is the future. Why worry about death and

after life, when we still do not understand the true meaning of

living and to be alive. As I see it, this whole concept of heaven

and hell is a trap.

 

My other question is : What is freedom?