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, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

> > > <thundergod999>

> > > > wrote:

 

When one dies, a person is reborn. He suffers the consequence of

his past life as karmic retribution and the person is subjected

to sufferings when on earth.

 

After death there is also a place called hell where one is

subjected to suffering for the wrong doings while one is on earth.

 

Why is there a double punishment for a single crime, both hell

and karmic retribution?

 

ZN: If hell = earth, it would make sense.

 

Nora: If you say hell is earth, and Devi is the earth itself. Are

you implying Devi is hell?

 

Its my believe that it is us/you/we who turn hell into heaven and

vice versa. Instead of spending the time lamenting about this

karmic retribution, what I think we should be doing is to reflect

back at our present moment It is said : live for the present. I am

here now.

 

This is what I am. What can I do about it. How can I turn this

lifetime into a more productive and meaningful. Dont you agree?

 

ZN: I was referring to "hell" and "earth" as the realm of forms,

here. To me, freedom from the self-limiting assumption of forms is

progression as a human being.

 

But in answer to Ur question, is there anything SHe is not?

> >

> > 93,

> > Nina

 

 

Nora: What is wrong with the earth that you consider it as hell?

That is the point im asking you. I remember reading a note [

published in Times Mag ] written by an American Soldier died in

Vietnam War, and it goes "I Know when I die I will go to heaven

because Ive been to hell".

 

(new)

 

ZN: I didn't say anything was wrong with the earth. I like living

my life very much! I said it (the earth) was the realm of forms

and implied that this may be the philosophical equivalent of "hell"

because of that, in a karmic sense. Atleast that's what I thought I

said :)

 

Nora:

> She is everything. There is nothing that SHE is not. Good and bad

> comes from her. If we look for the goodness that arises from bad

> happening, then goodness will emerge. What ever happen is for a

> reason. Just as our presence here in the net in Shakti Sadhana is

> for a specific reason. Your presence here too is for a reason. YOu

> have been silence for a long time since joining the group, why

> suddenly you decide to voice out.

 

Suddenly after a few years? :P

 

At times my passion flames, and I speak out. I hope I do not offend.

 

Nora:

> During Christmas a group of muneeswaran devotees celebrated their

> temple anniversary with prayers. The temple that they build have

> been demolished. I sense sadness when they relate to me about the

> incidence but my only response is :- im happy despite the

> fact that temple being demolished the muneeswaran devotees still

> willing to gather again it may not at the same place they use to

be, but somewhere.

>

> The thing I see is this coming together of people. The temple is

> just a physical representation of our devotion. The real test is

not

> how big or grand the temple Or which great soul/sage have come to

> blessed the temple, but when the temple is no more there. How

> devoted are the people to maintain the bond that brings them

> together in the first place. TO sit and worry about the past will

> not change anything. But we can change the future by doing what

is

> right today. Because today is the future. Why worry about death

and

> after life, when we still do not understand the true meaning of

> living and to be alive. As I see it, this whole concept of heaven

> and hell is a trap.

>

> My other question is : What is freedom?

 

Well, Janis Joplin said that "freedom is having nothing left to

lose". But she's dead now :)

 

Sorry. Couldn't resist that.

 

Freedom? Hmmm. I swore myself to Her at 19, and that oath is

unbroken. On the other hand, I answer only to Her. That's my

freedom.

 

Jai MAA!

 

93,

Nina

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Well NMadasamy, you obviously know the answer to What is Freedom? So I say you

are smiling knowingly while stiring the pot!! Felecia answered that for me,

when she equated Surrender to Embrace, I take her as one of my Gurus. Yes we

have found this wonderful Sangha you have created for a reason, our evoloutions.

What is freedom but Love.

 

--- NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:

 

My other question is : What is freedom?

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