shaktipat gurus

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> to answer your questions so that maybe you can answer mine:

>>if you are more precise about which of those millions

>> Indian approaches or practices you think cannot be incorporated into

>> the western way of life. maybe if i knew that i could give you an

>> answer.

> Two aproaches mainly: First: The guru-paths (especially

> Shaktipat-Gurus which means tantric gurus.) This may belong to the

> catagory "bogus" that you mentioned. Please note: I am not doubting

> the value of having a sadguru in your life. Big grace! I do doubt

> however that any of the many known to a western public can claim that

> sublime role.

 

 

Namaste,

 

Perhaps it is so that very few aspirants or sadhaks can enlist the grace.

Shaktipat is not the grace of the guru but the grace of the disciple.

> Second: The devotional paths where the goddesses and gods of the Hindu

> pantheon play the central role. If you read my original post qou will

> see that that is my main concern in my critic of the possibility of

> cultural transfer.

 

> What literature am I talking about? In one sense I would say about

> the main corpus of the popular - non-indological - "spiritual" literatur.

> In another perspective I would say that after trying to study some

> scriptures of Trika (Kashmir Shaivism) which for me exemplifies indian

> thought and spiritual practice on the highest level and realizing that

> without an absolutely competent guru one shall never ever grasp the

> secret of that way - and this is only one example of indian spiritual

> ways that are difficult if not impossible to tread without a guru -

> and that those gurus are just not available in the west - then I would

> maintain that many people have not really examined what they are

> actually doing practising an indian sadhana with or without a guru,

> probably bogus.

 

There are many Shaktipat gurus - also in Trika and Kashmir Saivism - alive

today. Many are follower of Baba Muktananda but do you for example know of

Soham-Baba, the tantric master from the Himalayas (Kaulism, Shakti Sadhana,

Aghore and Vamacari Naga Tantra)? He resides often in the Netherlands and just

previous weekend he gave some mild form of Shaktipat to some 200 people who were

there. I say this because you live in Germany.

> What group of people am I talking about? Well - I used to bee a

> follower, if only in a marginal yet long lasting way - of a "bogus"

> tantric guru. And I have been talking and interacting with other

> devotees(shishyas) of that guru. This is now 5 years ago.

 

It is hard to say who is bogus and who is authentic because we often get

disappointed. At first - when we fall in love - we see the divine in somebody.

And then when we get to know them better, we realise that this person is not

perfect and also makes mistakes. It is then we start to believe he is a bogus.

It is all a great mystery. The study of mysticism is hard. If you go (too) fast,

you usually fall down hard and deep.

 

In Saivistic cults, the blessing may come in the guise of a curse. There is

however not a trap we can not get out of. What is the difference between

Shaktipat-awakening and a curse? Can one exist without the other?

 

Kind regards,

 

Ralph.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear friends,

 

Please dont get nuts abt using two different terms - "shakitpaat guru" and

"sadguru" every sadguru is granted shakti to transfer to transform a person, how

he uses it depends, ur main objective should be god only and god provides right

guru for u, it's the guru who identifies his shishya not the shishya, if shishya

tries to fix his guru, there are chances for him to decieved, coz he is unware

of how a guru should be. if u see in all the known great cases it's the guru

only who contacted his shishya and revealed himself.

 

My own guru was given a mantra in person of astral body at nagpur, my guru

thought if he is possesed by some spirits, he never chanted the mantra given by

that astral guru, after year he visited himalayaa, and there he found one great

sanyaasi very impressive, and requested him to become his guru, the sanyaasi

gave a slap on his face and told to him - "u fool u r already given ur mantra by

this great soul, i do namaskaar to him" and then he requested that astral guru

to appear, he appeared there and thus my guru got faith and started chanting the

mantra given to him, likewise when i went to meet my guru, i was not intended to

receive mantra from him but he told me that he is my "Chinhit - known" guru and

he has same mantra for me that was given to him by astral guru. i also never

believed this and when i got spirtual experiences practically in my life i

begane to believe.

 

First and formost thing is ur intensity of feeling to know and find divine love,

if u r single minded, and not leaving ur path, god arranges for every required

thing. pls. rememebr guru is not god.

 

god fixes a guru for u and not u.

 

shaktipaat is just nothing, pls. dont have temptation for it, do ur sadhna and

one day u will realize that u r granted shakti to continue ur sadhna, it's a

protective thing to safeguard ur practice. it's a divine management and not ur

business.

 

Regards,

 

Lalit.

 

 

, "Ralph Nataraj" <108@p...>

wrote:

>

> > to answer your questions so that maybe you can answer mine:

>

> >>if you are more precise about which of those millions

> >> Indian approaches or practices you think cannot be incorporated

into

> >> the western way of life. maybe if i knew that i could give you

an

> >> answer.

>

> > Two aproaches mainly: First: The guru-paths (especially

> > Shaktipat-Gurus which means tantric gurus.) This may belong to the

> > catagory "bogus" that you mentioned. Please note: I am not

doubting

> > the value of having a sadguru in your life. Big grace! I do doubt

> > however that any of the many known to a western public can claim

that

> > sublime role.