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Dear Red,

Is the Problem Prostitution? No. It is human trafficking and slave

trade, in the past this was caused by colonialism,and slaves where

bounty in warfare, now it is caused by poverty and Oppression, some

slaves are traded for prostitution others for slave labour in several

sweat shop of the multinational global companys. If you think

Prostitution is the Problem than you have some point, but unless you

turn everybody into Eunuch, people will have Sex. If People have Sex

there will be Prostitutes. It has been thus since all known History

of Mankind there is no way to stop it, one can only try to help that

NOBODY, (it is not enough that only children are protected), whether

underaged or not is forced into Prostitution by Poverty or Brutality

or other Harrasments.

 

If people who have enough Food and Shelter and education and

nonetheless decide to become Prostitutes it is their own decision it

is neither forced on them by poverty or greed and physical force.

 

If people are not oppressed and very poor they will not decide to

sell their children to slave traders, or their organs to

organtraders,or themselves into slave labour.

 

But my main point is Prostitution is not the the Problem it is slave

trade. Food shelter work and education and legal Action against the

Traders and those Politicians that turn a blind eye to the general

exploitation and modern Colonialism that is happening right under our

eyes, would help, of course these actions have the downside that

they are not as cheap as Morality talk:) i must admit that.

 

Mahahradantha

 

 

 

, Vir Rawlley <redderred>

wrote:

>

> My dear Mahahradanatha,

>

> I believe that seeds will only sprout in fertile ground. If one

contributes to educate, shelter, clothe and do such things that will

nourish the poor and repressed wholesomely , it will lead to their

mukti.

>

> Repression and poverty does not lead to prostitution. If it did,

every male and female in such conditions would, by the logical

conclusion of your arguement become prostitutes. Pimping and

indulging in their misery is unwholesome and creates the avenue and

is the cause of the flesh business. If there are no customers there

is no prostitution.

>

> The casting couch in the entertainment and other businesses creates

prostitutes. Must one cast or allow ones self to be cast this way ?

This is where the axe must fall, no takers !

>

> I hope this makes sense.

>

> With love,

>

> Red

>

>

>

>

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote: The clientel is not

the cause- poverty and repression is the cause.

>

> , Vir Rawlley

<redderred>

> wrote:

> >

> > Great ! We tackle the effect, necessary ... But what about

> addressing the Cause, how can we stop the clienteel from

developing ??

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes my Friend, these are indeed deep waters !

 

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: Dear Red,

Is the Problem Prostitution? No. It is human trafficking and slave

trade, in the past this was caused by colonialism,and slaves where

bounty in warfare, now it is caused by poverty and Oppression, some

slaves are traded for prostitution others for slave labour in several

..............

[Guest guest]

This happens in Tijuana, Mexico also. When I was

younger, I foolishly took my friends to the

prostitution district in Tijuana and they paid for my

encounter with a prostitute. That was the first, last,

and only time. They thought it would be funny to pay

for me to be with a Mexican "magdalena" becasue they

knew I had been chaste for years. I have been chaste

for some years since. I broke down and cried after my

encounter with that prostitute who was aslo a mother

of young children. I am disgusted with this flesh

trade that takes advantage of impoverished women from

various states of Mexico and beyond. All of these

women find themselves in circumstances in which they

choose to prostitute themselves, and I am sure that

some see not much wrong in it. It's there way of

making a living, but I will have no part of it. Some

of these women who sell themselves to man after man

are young and pretty. It makes me sad. I have yet to

find a woman who I can be with...have a relationship

with for friendship, companionship, mutual assistance,

and yes, healing.

 

I share my experiences with you all because I am not

ashamed to tell people about my mistakes and the

lessons I learn from them. I strive to be a person of

integrity and have no ugly secrets to keep. I am so

grateful that I came out of that experience in Tijuana

free from any sexually transmitted diseases. Anyhow, I

applaud all those activists who work to improve the

situation of the prostitutes and raise awareness of

the flesh trade. I'm afraid this "oldest of

professions" is not going away anytime soon.

 

--- Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote:

> Yes my Friend, these are indeed deep waters !

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> Dear Red,

> Is the Problem Prostitution? No. It is human

> trafficking and slave

> trade, in the past this was caused by

> colonialism,and slaves where

> bounty in warfare, now it is caused by poverty and

> Oppression, some

> slaves are traded for prostitution others for slave

> labour in several

> ..............

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is okay. In my book, the experience has made you richer, not poorer. I

would not change anything in my life because God has made it perfect. Yes I

have gone to whores too, not once or twice but quite a few times, and I have

enjoyed myself.

 

If you "enjoy" agonising over having gone to a whore, try and figure when this

agonising will satisfy you enough so that you do not need to agonise more. I am

not sure if you can carry focussed agonies into the next life and the next and

so on. .......... ..... think about it :-) .. wanna stretch it ? :-)

Prostitution is part of creation. You do not have to like it, but it is there.

 

Come on Love your-self, Forgive your self ! It is said one cannot love or

forgive another, unless one can do it for them selves.

 

I think there is a lady with whom you can "have a relationship

with for friendship, companionship, mutual assistance,

and yes, healing". She is our sweet Devi.

I am not trying to humor you, I believe what I am suggesting. Perhaps

allow her to unite you with a flesh and blood match for you. I know this could

sound strange, but one does bump across strange people ;-)

 

With Love

 

 

Hamilton Sarain <hamiltonsarain wrote: This happens in Tijuana,

Mexico also. When I was

younger, I foolishly took my friends to the

prostitution district in Tijuana and they paid for my

encounter with a prostitute. That was the first, last,

and only time. They thought it would be funny to pay

for me to be with a Mexican "magdalena" becasue they

knew I had been chaste for years. I have been chaste

for some years since. I broke down and cried after my

encounter with that prostitute who was aslo a mother

of young children. I am disgusted with this flesh

trade that takes advantage of impoverished women from

various states of Mexico and beyond. All of these

women find themselves in circumstances in which they

choose to prostitute themselves, and I am sure that

some see not much wrong in it. It's there way of

making a living, but I will have no part of it. Some

of these women who sell themselves to man after man

are young and pretty. It makes me sad. I have yet to

find a woman who I can be with...have a relationship

with for friendship, companionship, mutual assistance,

and yes, healing.

 

I share my experiences with you all because I am not

ashamed to tell people about my mistakes and the

lessons I learn from them. I strive to be a person of

integrity and have no ugly secrets to keep. I am so

grateful that I came out of that experience in Tijuana

free from any sexually transmitted diseases. Anyhow, I

applaud all those activists who work to improve the

situation of the prostitutes and raise awareness of

the flesh trade. I'm afraid this "oldest of

professions" is not going away anytime soon.

 

--- Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote:

> Yes my Friend, these are indeed deep waters !

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> Dear Red,

> Is the Problem Prostitution? No. It is human

> trafficking and slave

> trade, in the past this was caused by

> colonialism,and slaves where

> bounty in warfare, now it is caused by poverty and

> Oppression, some

> slaves are traded for prostitution others for slave

> labour in several

> ..............

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I certainly can forgive myself. Thanks for your kind

words. In fact, when I remember that little encounter

in Tijuana, I simply analyze the experience with

little or no emotion. I did not want to go into more

intimate detail about the encounter. I'll justa state

that it was not some kind of traumatic experience that

I want to block from my memory. I know that such

encounters will never be satisfying and energizing for

both partners as I can only imagine good sex to be.

That is why I will not go back. I have experienced a

more enrgetically charged feeling when I loved

ceretain women without even touching them. I perceived

them more as entire living souls rather than mere

objects of sexual desire. I can go on about this topic

and my unfulfilled desire for intimacy with a woman,

but I'll leave it at that.

 

I see aspects of Devi in every woman. Only a couple

women, by there presence and their displays of

character, have given me a feeling closest to what

might be termed "shaktipat."

 

It certainly will be Devi who will give me a flesh and

blood partner. We will both know that it is right for

us...

 

--- Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote:

> It is okay. In my book, the experience has made

> you richer, not poorer. I would not change anything

> in my life because God has made it perfect. Yes I

> have gone to whores too, not once or twice but quite

> a few times, and I have enjoyed myself.

>

> If you "enjoy" agonising over having gone to a

> whore, try and figure when this agonising will

> satisfy you enough so that you do not need to

> agonise more. I am not sure if you can carry

> focussed agonies into the next life and the next and

> so on. .......... ..... think about it :-) ..

> wanna stretch it ? :-) Prostitution is part of

> creation. You do not have to like it, but it is

> there.

>

> Come on Love your-self, Forgive your self ! It is

> said one cannot love or forgive another, unless one

> can do it for them selves.

>

> I think there is a lady with whom you can "have a

> relationship

> with for friendship, companionship, mutual

> assistance,

> and yes, healing". She is our sweet Devi.

> I am not trying to humor you, I believe what

> I am suggesting. Perhaps allow her to unite you with

> a flesh and blood match for you. I know this could

> sound strange, but one does bump across strange

> people ;-)

>

> With Love

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Allow me to share with you a simple way of knowing if a lady likes you. If you

know this, good. This so obvious way was told to me by my girl friend many

years ago. If you like a girl and want to know if she likes you, take her hand

naturally and gently in yours, meaning don't grab. Perhaps when you are walking

or standing together. Be natural, continue talking and respect her by allowing

her to remove it if she does. Respect her after too. If she lets you hold her

hand then you can be sure she likes you too. Allow your minds to meet. If they

do, she will take take you to a more physically intimate level. Allow her to

make the first move, you will know when she does so don't look for it; a friend

is always a better lover, because he or she understands you, allows you to be

who you are and accepts you as that. This is how I see it. All the best.

 

My apologies to the Sangha of Shakti Sadhana for going off-course from more

precise spiritual themes.

 

Love

 

Red

 

Hamilton Sarain <hamiltonsarain wrote: I certainly can forgive

myself. Thanks for your kind

words. In fact, when I remember that little encounter

in Tijuana, I simply analyze the experience with

little or no emotion. I did not want to go into more

intimate detail about the encounter. I'll justa state

that it was not some kind of traumatic experience that

I want to block from my memory. I know that such

encounters will never be satisfying and energizing for

both partners as I can only imagine good sex to be.

That is why I will not go back. I have experienced a

more enrgetically charged feeling when I loved

ceretain women without even touching them. I perceived

them more as entire living souls rather than mere

objects of sexual desire. I can go on about this topic

and my unfulfilled desire for intimacy with a woman,

but I'll leave it at that.

 

I see aspects of Devi in every woman. Only a couple

women, by there presence and their displays of

character, have given me a feeling closest to what

might be termed "shaktipat."

 

It certainly will be Devi who will give me a flesh and

blood partner. We will both know that it is right for

us...

 

--- Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote:

> It is okay. In my book, the experience has made

> you richer, not poorer. I would not change anything

> in my life because God has made it perfect. Yes I

> have gone to whores too, not once or twice but quite

> a few times, and I have enjoyed myself.

>

> If you "enjoy" agonising over having gone to a

> whore, try and figure when this agonising will

> satisfy you enough so that you do not need to

> agonise more. I am not sure if you can carry

> focussed agonies into the next life and the next and

> so on. .......... ..... think about it :-) ..

> wanna stretch it ? :-) Prostitution is part of

> creation. You do not have to like it, but it is

> there.

>

> Come on Love your-self, Forgive your self ! It is

> said one cannot love or forgive another, unless one

> can do it for them selves.

>

> I think there is a lady with whom you can "have a

> relationship

> with for friendship, companionship, mutual

> assistance,

> and yes, healing". She is our sweet Devi.

> I am not trying to humor you, I believe what

> I am suggesting. Perhaps allow her to unite you with

> a flesh and blood match for you. I know this could

> sound strange, but one does bump across strange

> people ;-)

>

> With Love

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Devi

Traditions Divine

 

 

 

 

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