Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Dear friends, I have long been searching for "ultimate truth" and have not despised or rejected out of hand any school of thought or religion. At least I study and reflect, and over the years have come to some conclusions that up til now did not fit in any category (not that this is important in itself). Recently I was led to read about the Ten Wisdom Goddesses, and the teaching resonated in my thoughts, intuitions, and emotions. It seemed to be a clarification and amplification of some vague ideas I had, having already accepted the existence of super-conscious, beneficent, sometimes frightful, beings who influenced or controlled our lives in some ways. I was already focussing in on a Supreme Goddess who is the Active Principle in creation, but did not have a name for Her, but not only that, I was seeing Her as defined in terms of various manifestations that presented as distinct divine persons, and I was finding ways to relate to Her, as through meditation. The call to surrender to Shakti was exactly what I needed to hear, and in the different levels of my being, I have done so. I know who my Goddess has been, whom I have been seeing from a distance. Now I could use a little advice on how I should continue,since I have no experience here. Thanks for any help, namaste, Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Namaste, There are many ways, but one of the ways is to let Her reveal the way to you. Try it for a day. blessings, prainbow , "ksnwcz" <ksnwcz wrote: > > Dear friends, > I have long been searching for "ultimate truth" and have not despised > or rejected out of hand any school of thought or religion. At least I > study and reflect, and over the years have come to some conclusions > that up til now did not fit in any category (not that this is important > in itself). Recently I was led to read about the Ten Wisdom Goddesses, > and the teaching resonated in my thoughts, intuitions, and emotions. > It seemed to be a clarification and amplification of some vague ideas I > had, having already accepted the existence of super-conscious, > beneficent, sometimes frightful, beings who influenced or controlled > our lives in some ways. I was already focussing in on a Supreme > Goddess who is the Active Principle in creation, but did not have a > name for Her, but not only that, I was seeing Her as defined in terms > of various manifestations that presented as distinct divine persons, > and I was finding ways to relate to Her, as through meditation. The > call to surrender to Shakti was exactly what I needed to hear, and in > the different levels of my being, I have done so. I know who my > Goddess has been, whom I have been seeing from a distance. Now I could > use a little advice on how I should continue,since I have no experience > here. Thanks for any help, namaste, Richard. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think one thing that you may find a helpful next step is to go to a Mandir for darshan, if possible. There is a Durga Temple near my home where I went one morning, and asked the priest for some advice. I told him this: 1. I want all obstacles removed that keeps me from knowing God. 2. I need strength to overcome my weaknesses and become a virtuous man. 3. I want to know the way to worship Devi in a manner most pleasing to her. He seemed very heartfelt, and smiled. He then told me that all I needed only to sit in Dhyana. He then gave me some prasad. That was it. -- In , "ksnwcz" <ksnwcz wrote: > > Dear friends, > I have long been searching for "ultimate truth" and have not despised > or rejected out of hand any school of thought or religion. At least I > study and reflect, and over the years have come to some conclusions > that up til now did not fit in any category (not that this is important > in itself). Recently I was led to read about the Ten Wisdom Goddesses, > and the teaching resonated in my thoughts, intuitions, and emotions. > It seemed to be a clarification and amplification of some vague ideas I > had, having already accepted the existence of super-conscious, > beneficent, sometimes frightful, beings who influenced or controlled > our lives in some ways. I was already focussing in on a Supreme > Goddess who is the Active Principle in creation, but did not have a > name for Her, but not only that, I was seeing Her as defined in terms > of various manifestations that presented as distinct divine persons, > and I was finding ways to relate to Her, as through meditation. The > call to surrender to Shakti was exactly what I needed to hear, and in > the different levels of my being, I have done so. I know who my > Goddess has been, whom I have been seeing from a distance. Now I could > use a little advice on how I should continue,since I have no experience > here. Thanks for any help, namaste, Richard. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Devi is everywhere. If only you look around you. SHE is always near you. If only you are able to feel her. Temple or mandir is just a physical representation. What you really need to do is to look within you That is where DEVI resides. Nor you need a priest or a third person to talk to DEVI Sometime we do think : This is what I have done for you and as such, this is what I expect from you as this is what I rightly deserve. This is my surrender. IS IT? If only we remove this "I" from our ego and let DEVI decides for herself what you really deserve it may help in your journey to really understand DEVI herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Hi Richard, People often say "Don't ask for anything, just surrender and accept whatever She gives you and dissolve your ego" and other things of this sort. This is great, but if someone could already do this, then they would have done so - so its not very useful as an instruction. In general declarations of surrender tend to remain verbal and not practical. My understanding of the process is that we do what we can and avoid doing what we cannot do. Devi is, among other things, the Whole so we have to relate to the Whole is the appropriate manner. As body-mind complexes we are parts of many different wholes (family, neighborhood, country, etc...) How can we relate to the Total Whole if we cannot first relate with the wholes that we feel closer to and more attached to. So the first step in surrendering, in my understanding, is to do do our duties - that is do our part and act out of gratitude to all those parties that to whom we are grateful. Since we are acting out of gratitude, we should not be acting for results - if we are simply doing our part because we are grateful, why should we think about personal gain? Of course, we have to remind ourselves of this and slowly build up the ability to act truly out of gratefulness and not for our own ends. In this way, we connect with all the sub-wholes which are a part of. In addition to the sub-wholes, being devotees of the entire Whole, we can try to relate to the Total Whole more directly as well. It seems that a natural way of doing this is remembering Devi for at least a few minutes in the day. Now to just sit down and remain in constant remembrance is a bit difficult, so we can use an aid to remember. The common ones would be a mantra or a visualized image. Keep in mind that there is no particular reason to do this, we just do it because it seems like a natural thing to do. As we get more interested, we can start start using more specialized and "professionally designed" methods of remembering Devi. The point is not different, but method have been desgined to make this remembrance more intense so we should be open to using such methods. In addition to this, people who I consider wise have said that we have to understand Devi in another way as well. We talk about part/Whole but in reality, She is partless and indivisible. Any apparent part, is infact the Totality. This means that, we, the individuals are in fact none other than Devi. When this idea rings true to one, it seems natural that one should try to eventually come to this understanding in a direct and certain fashion. To start approaching this idea to later get this Knowledge, one can study the appropriate texts and start looking for a teacher. Until then, we can follow some advice that seems to be quite universal in scope - try to get submerged in Silence. So we have to follow a three-fold course of action. Relate to individual sub-wholes by acting out of gratitude, remember the Whole for at least some time every day, and try to appreciate the true, indivisible, partless and changeless nature of Devi. Where does surrender come in? If we do this to the best of our abilities, then we have done absolutely everything we can at this point in time. Since we have done what we can, there is nothing else we can do. At this point, we can let Devi do everything else - in fact we have to let Her do everything else, but we have already done everything we can personally do. In this way, according to my understanding - which is very limited - we can avoid laziness and inactivity in the name of surrender. This message helped me organize my ideas and put them down in writing so thank you for asking the wonderful question, Regards, Rishi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 >People often say "Don't ask for anything, just surrender and accept >whatever She gives you and dissolve your ego" and other things of >this sort. This is great, but if someone could already do this, then >they would have done so This is a logical fallacy. They don't necessarily not do it because they are unable, but all too often, because they are unwilling. They don't necessarily want to! Sure, they want enlightenment, but in the crunch of any given moment of indulging cravings, egotism, attachment, torpor and what not, people make choices that conflict with attaining that goal. Making the effort, continually, without excess, following subtle perception and discrimination while maintaining deep intention: it's not so easy. I do agree with what you say about the vagueness of "surrender." The difficulty is in communicating ultimate truth in words, when it is Manovaacam-agocaraa, beyond mind and speech. peace, Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Hi Max, Thank you for your reply. "This is a logical fallacy. " Since because you bring in "logical fallacy," we have to be clear on the context or else we will be applying formal logical standards on informal arguments, which is very effective way of wasting time (among other things). This is a bit like Shankara's hairsplitting (but very revealing) discussion about samanya prasna and visesa prasna in the Mundaka Bhasyam on the verse kasmin bhagavo vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam bhavati. As the question in the Mundaka Upanishad, the question "how do we surrender to Shakti?" implies some knowledge beforehand - if someone knew neither surrender nor Shakti in any way, the question could not have been posed. So the first important thing here is to understand that the context of the discussion is limited to people who have come to developed at least some understanding and I would add, some interest in the subject matter. So when someone is making an argument in this context, we should be careful to make sure that what may be percieved as a logical inference purely, does bring external information into the points being made (even if it be just the context). "They don't necessarily want to! Sure, they want enlightenment, but in the crunch of any given moment of indulging cravings, egotism, attachment, torpor and what not, people make choices that conflict with attaining that goal." Now you suggest that "they don't want to" but "they want enlightenment". To clarify, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that though they have it as a goal at some level, because of desires, etc... they make choices that conflict with attaining the goal. So the reason they don't get enlightenment is not because they don't want enlightenment (you yourself say they want enlightenment), but because there are obstacles in the way. This means if they wanted to get enlightenment, and there were no obstacles, they would get enlightened (note: this would be another logical fallacy formally, but its not a pure inference in this context). The instructions of the type "surrender to Devi" or "dissolve the ego" work in exactly the same way - if the person wanted to and there were no obstacles (knowledge is also not an obstacle since the person showed samanya jnana otherwise couldn't have asked the visesa prasna), then the person would have done so. The very asking of the question, implies that some system in addition to what is already known and implied from the question that is needed. As a result such instructions such as "Surrender everything to Devi, or get your ego out of the way" are relatively useless. "Making the effort, continually, without excess, following subtle perception and discrimination while maintaining deep intention: it's not so easy." So here the instruction is "do so continuously". But the problem is "how do I do so?" If I don't know how to program a computer and someone tells me to continuously program a computer, that surely is of very limited use. How do I program the computer? If we feel that the answer is "beyond words", then we better remain quiet (no offence of course), Regards, Rishi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Hi Shamarsi, >To clarify, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that >though they have it as a goal at some level, because of desires, >etc... they make choices that conflict with attaining the goal. So >the reason they don't get enlightenment is not because they don't >want enlightenment (you yourself say they want enlightenment), but >because there are obstacles in the way. Yes, not least of which is that they want other things more. If you consider choices, priorities, and behavior, as obstacles, yes they are. What I was saying was that they could, if they would, but they don't, so at the moment they won't. That says nothing about what will transpire in the far distant future, because they (we) have the power deep within. These are mysteries... and certainly grace figures in powerfully. But for it to operate, as Amritapuri Amma says, we have to be open, and drop the load of stones, as Rumi counseled. >If we feel that the answer is "beyond words", then we better remain >quiet (no offence of course) Beyond words, that is what the sages and mystics say. Still, their teachings are still of great value. As for remaining quiet, I'm not attempting to give "the answer," so can speak freely. peace, Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Namaste: To get back to the original question: "How does one surrender to Shakti?", I will quote from the famous Sri Aurobindo, who was quite the devotee of The Mother. All of these are taken from http://intyoga.online.fr/lotm5.htm I have edited these slightly to make them more readable, and removed some of Sri Aurobindo's more complicated instructions. Some of his terminology is a little tricky as well. --- "Opening and Surrender to the Mother " THE CENTRAL SECRET OF SADHANA By remaining psychically open to the Mother, all that is necessary for work or Sadhana develops progressively, that is one of the chief secrets, the central secret of the Sadhana. * * * It is a mistake to exercise the mind about these things and try to arrange them with the ordinary mind. It is by confidence in the Mother that the opening needed will come when your consciousness is ready. There is no harm in arranging your present work so that there will be time and energy for some meditation, but it is not by meditation alone that what is needed will come. It is by faith and openness to the Mother. * * * Keep yourself open to the Mother and in perfect union with her. Make yourself entirely plastic to her touch and let her mould you swiftly towards perfection. * * * You have only to aspire, to keep yourself open to the Mother, to reject all that is contrary to her will and to let her work in you - doing also all your work for her and in the faith that it is through her force that you can do it. If you remain open in this way, the knowledge and realisation will come to you in due course. * * * To practise Yoga implies the will to overcome all attachments and turn to the Divine alone. The principal thing in the Yoga is to trust in the Divine Grace at every step, to direct the thought continually to the Divine and to offer oneself till the being opens and the Mother's force can be felt working in the adhara. * * * All things are the Divine because the Divine is there, but hidden not manifest; when the mind goes out to things, it is not with the sense of the Divine in them, but for the appearances only which conceal the Divine. It is necessary therefore for you as a Sadhak to turn entirely to the Mother in whom the Divine is manifest and not run after the appearances, the desire of which or the interest in which prevents you from meeting the Divine. Once the being is consecrated, then it can see the Divine everywhere - and then it can include all things in the one consciousness without a separate interest or desire. RIGHT WAY OF OPENING Q: What is the meaning of opening? A: It is the receptivity to the Mother's presence and her forces. Q: What is the right and perfect way to get this opening? A: Aspiration, quietude, widening of oneself to receive, rejection of all that tries to shut you to the Divine. Q: How to know that I am opening to the Mother and not to other forces? A: You have to be vigilant and see that there is no movement of disturbance, desire, ego. Q: What are the indications of a real opening to the Mother? A: That shows itself at once - when you feel the divine peace, equality, wideness, light, Ananda, Knowledge, strength, when you are aware of the Mother's nearness or presence or the working of her Force, etc., etc. If any of these things are felt, it is the opening - the more are felt, the more complete the opening. April, 1933 * * * Q: Opening - what does it mean? Is it: "not to keep anything secret from the Mother"? A: That is the first step towards opening. * * * Q: How to open to the Divine Mother? A: By faith and surrender in a quiet mind. OPENNESS TO THE MOTHER To be open is simply to be so turned to the Mother that her Force can work in you without anything refusing or obstructing her action. If the mind is shut up in its own ideas and refuses to allow her to bring in the Light and the Truth, if the vital clings to its desires and does not admit the true initiative and impulsions that the Mother's power brings, if the physical is shut up in its desires, habits and inertia and does not allow the Light and Force to enter in it and work, then one is not open. It is not possible to be entirely open all at once in all the movements, but there must be a central opening in each part and a dominant aspiration or will in each part (not in the mind alone) to admit only the Mother's "workings", the rest will then be progressively done. * * * To remain open to the Mother is to remain always quiet and happy and confident - not restless, not grieving or despondent, to let her force work in you, guide you, give you knowledge, give you peace and Ananda. If you cannot keep yourself open, then aspire constantly but quietly that you may be open. * * * Q: Some dissatisfactions come and affect the heart which is opening to the Mother. A: Get rid of these dissatisfactions, they prevent the permanent psychic opening. * * * Q: Perhaps it is because the psychic is just opening that it comes under the influence of these dissatisfactions? A: What the psychic always feels is "What the Mother does is for the best", and accepts all with gladness. It is the vital part of the heart that is easily touched by the suggestions. THE CONDITION FOR PROGRESS Q: If a Sadhak even after a long time cannot fully open himself to the Mother owing to obstacles in his nature, does it mean that he will not be accepted by the Mother? A: There is no meaning in such a question. Those who follow the Yoga here are accepted by the Mother - for "accepted" means "admitted into the Yoga, accepted as disciples". But the progress in the Yoga and the siddhi in the Yoga depend on the degree to which there is the opening. SINCERITY, OPENNESS AND TRANSFORMATION Q: X says that the Mother told him that if the sincerity is perfect there would be transformation in a day. I do not understand how that could be possible - a long process of change and conversion compressed in a single day! A: By sincerity Mother meant being open to no influence but the Divine's only. Now, if the whole being is sincere in that sense even to every cell of the body, what could prevent the most rapid transformation? People cannot be like that, however much the enlightened part of them may want to, because of the nature of the Ignorance out of which the ordinary prakriti has been built - hence the necessity of a long and laborious working. PROGRESSIVE OPENING Openness is not always complete from the first - a part of the being opens, other parts of the consciousness remain still closed or half open only - one has to aspire till all is open. Even with the best and most powerful Sadhaks the full opening takes time; nor is there anyone who has been able to abandon everything at once without any struggle. There is no reason to feel therefore that if you call you will not be heard - the Mother knows the difficulties of human nature and will help you through. Persevere always, call always and then after each difficulty there will be a progress. THE INNER AND THE HIGHER OPENING It is by the constant remembrance that the being is prepared for the full opening. By the opening of the heart the Mother's presence begins to be felt and, by the opening to her Power above, the Force of the higher consciousness comes down into the body and works there to change the whole nature. * * * There is no method in this Yoga except to concentrate, preferably in the heart, and call the presence and power of the Mother to take up the being and by the workings of her force transform the consciousness; one can concentrate also in the head or between the eyebrows, but for many this is a too difficult opening. When the mind falls quiet and the concentration becomes strong and the aspiration intense, then there is a beginning of experience. The more the faith, the more rapid the result is likely to be. For the rest one must not depend on one's own efforts only, but succeed in establishing a contact with the Divine and a receptivity to the Mother's Power and Presence. The direct opening of the psychic centre is easy only when the ego-centricity is greatly diminished and also if there is a strong bhakti for the Mother. A spiritual humility and sense of submission and dependence is necessary. * * * The Mother's peace is above you by aspiration and quiet self-opening it descends. When it takes hold of the vital and the body, then equanimity becomes easy and in the end automatic. OPENNESS TO THE MOTHER'S FORCE AND AVOIDANCE OF OTHER FORCES Keep yourself open to the Mother's Force, but do not trust all forces. As you go on, if you keep straight, you will come to a time when the psychic becomes more predominantly active and the Light from above prevails more purely and strongly so that the chance of mental constructions and vital formations mixing with the true experience diminishes. As I have told you, these are not and cannot be the supramental Forces; it is a work of preparation which is only making things ready for a future YogaSiddhi. Let the power of the Mother work in you, but be careful to avoid any mixture or substitution, in its place, of either a magnified ego-working or a force of Ignorance presenting itself as Truth. Aspire especially for the elimination of all obscurity and unconsciousness in the nature. LOYALTY AND FIDELITY TO THE MOTHER If an adverse Force comes, one has not to accept and welcome its suggestions, but to turn to the Mother and to refuse to turn away from her. Whether one can open or not, one has to be loyal and faithful. Loyalty and fidelity are not qualities for which one has to do Yoga. They are very simple things which any man or woman who aspires to the Truth ought to be able to accomplish. THE ONLY WAY TO SUCCEED There is in a very fundamental part of your nature a strong formation of ego-individuality which has mixed in your spiritual aspiration a clinging element of pride and spiritual ambition. This formation has never consented to be broken up in order to give place to something more true and divine. Therefore, when the Mother has put her force upon you, or when you yourself have pulled the force upon you, this in you has always prevented it from doing its work in its own way. It has begun itself building according to the ideas of the mind or some demand of the ego, trying to make its own creation in its "own way", by its own strength, its own Sadhana, its own Tapasya. There has never been here any real surrender, any giving up of yourself freely and simply into the hands of the Divine Mother. And yet that is the only way to succeed in the supramental Yoga. To be a Yogi, a Sannyasi, a Tapaswi is not the object here. The object is transformation, and the transformation can only be done by a force infinitely greater than your own; it can only be done by being truly like a child in the hands of the Divine Mother. * * * Everyone who is turned to the Mother is doing my Yoga. It is a great mistake to suppose that one can "do" the Purna Yoga -i.e. carry out and fulfil all the sides of the Yoga by one's own effort. No human being can do that. What one has to do is to put oneself in the Mother's hands and open oneself to her by service, by Bhakti, by aspiration; then the Mother by her light and force works in him so that the Sadhana is done. It is a mistake also to have the ambition to be a big Purna Yogi or a supra-mental being and ask oneself how far have I got towards that. The right attitude is to be devoted and given to the Mother and to wish to be whatever she wants you to be. The rest is for the Mother to decide and do in you. NECESSITY OF SURRENDER TO THE MOTHER There is not much spiritual meaning in keeping open to the Mother if you withhold your surrender. Self-giving or surrender is demanded of those who practise this Yoga, because without such a progressive surrender of the being it is quite impossible to get anywhere near the goal. To keep open means to call in her Force to work in you, and if you do not surrender to it, it amounts to not allowing the Force to work in you at all or else only on condition that it will work in the way you want and not in its own way which is the way of the Divine Truth. A suggestion of this kind is usually made by some adverse Power or by some egoistic element of mind or vital which wants the Grace or the Force, but only in order to use it for its own purpose, and is not willing to live for the Divine Purpose, - it is willing to take from the Divine all it can get, but not to give itself to the Divine. The soul, the true being, on the contrary, turns towards the Divine and is not only willing but eager and happy to surrender. In this Yoga one is supposed to go beyond every mental idealistic culture. Ideas and Ideals belong to the mind and are half-truths only; the mind too is, more often than not, satisfied with merely having an ideal, with the pleasure of idealising, while life remains always the same, untransformed or changed only a little and mostly in appearance. The spiritual seeker does not turn aside from the pursuit of realisation to mere idealising; not to idealise, but to realise the Divine Truth is always his aim, either beyond or in life also - and in the latter case it is necessary to transform mind and life which cannot be done without surrender to the action of the Divine Force, the Mother. To seek after the Impersonal is the way of those who want to withdraw from life, but usually they try by their own effort, and not by an opening of themselves to a superior Power or by the way of surrender; for the Impersonal is not something that guides or helps, but something to be attained and it leaves each man to attain it according to the way and capacity of his nature. On the other hand, by an opening and surrender to the Mother one can realise the Impersonal and every other aspect of Truth also. The surrender must necessarily be progressive. No one can make the complete surrender from the beginning, so it is quite natural that when one looks into oneself, one should find its absence. That is no reason why the principle of surrender should not be accepted and carried out steadily from stage to stage, from field to field, applying it successively to all the parts of the nature. REAL AND COMPLETE SUBMISSION It is necessary if you want to progress in your Sadhana that you should make the submission and surrender of which you speak sincere, real and complete. This cannot be as long as you mix up your desires with your spiritual aspiration. It cannot be as long as you cherish vital attachment to family, child or anything or anybody else. If you are to do this Yoga, you must have only one desire and aspiration, to receive the spiritual Truth and manifest it in all your thoughts, feelings, actions and nature. You must not hunger after any relations with anyone. The relations of the Sadhak with others must be created for him from within, when he has the true consciousness and lives in the Light. They will be determined within him by the power and will of the Divine Mother according to the supramental Truth for the divine life and divine work; they must not be determined by his mind and his vital desires. This is the thing you have to remember. Your psychic being is capable of giving itself to the Mother and living and growing in the Truth; but your lower vital being has been full of attachments and samskaras and an impure movement of desire and your external physical thind was not able to shake off its ignorant ideas and habits and open to the Truth. That was the reason why you were unable to progress, because you were keeping up an element and movements which could not be allowed to remain; for they were the exact opposite of what has to be established in a divine life. The Mother can only free you from these things, if you really want it, not only in your psychic being, but in your physical mind and all your vital nature. The sign will be that you no longer cherish or insist on your personal notions, attachments or desires, and that whatever the distance and wherever you may be, you will feel yourself open and the power and presence of the Mother with you and working in you and will be contented, quiet, confident, wanting nothing else, awaiting always the Mother's Will. * * * Put all before the Mother in your heart so that her Light may work on it for the best. * * * The life of samsara is in its nature a field of unrest - to go through it in the right way one has to offer one's life and actions to the Divine and pray for the peace of the Divine within. When the mind becomes quiet, one can feel the Divine Mother supporting the life and put everything into her hands. THE NECESSARY EFFORT What you say of Sadhana is true. Sadhana is necessary and the Divine Force cannot do things in the void but must lead each one according to his nature to the point at which he can feel the Mother working within and doing all for him. Till then the Sadhak's aspiration, self-consecration, assent and support to the Mother's workings, his rejection of all that comes in the way is very necessary - indispensable. * * * IN THE MOTHER'S LAP Q: I find it very difficult to do the right kind of concentration. Since I can't concentrate properly, would it not be best for me to imagine myself lying eternally in the Mother's lap? A: This is the best possible kind of concentration. -S "Aum Shanti Shanti Shantih." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 , Santo Sengupta <s.santo.sengupta wrote: > > Namaste: > To get back to the original question: > "How does one surrender to Shakti?", > I will quote from the famous Sri Aurobindo, > who was quite the devotee of The Mother. > > All of these are taken from http://intyoga.online.fr/lotm5.htm > [....] Thank you, Santo! This is terrific. For those overwhelmed by the length of the posting, zoom down to the bottom and read the last quote. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Santo's posting made me think of an earlier Aurobindo discussion in this group. Yogaman, (perhaps) here's a rather sparse answer to your question: ------ Yogaman's question: /message/9214 "childofdevi" <childofdevi Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:14 pm Re: The mystery of Sri Aurobindo. [....] I cannot recall [...] simple intructions for practice anywhere. It is one thing to give a 10- volume manual on a methodology, it is another thing to give a 5 page instruction manual for practice. It is likely that in the I may have missed out on valuable insights. Could you give me a 1-page description of the practice of Integral Yoga (I am still somewhat clueless as to what it is, though it was very nice reading)?? Regards -yogaman >From Santo Sengupta's quote collection: There is no method in this Yoga except to concentrate, preferably in the heart, and call the presence and power of the Mother to take up the being and by the workings of her force transform the consciousness; [....] For the rest one must not depend on one's own efforts only, but succeed in establishing a contact with the Divine and a receptivity to the Mother's Power and Presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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