SS and vama marga

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Since you do not know me, and I am new: I have been in Sri Vidya for

14 years. I am a devotee of Kamakshi Devi. I follow shanti forms of

Mother.

I am not enlightened yet. When someone pushes at my ego I react.

Many of us in Sri Vidya have many opportunities to learn vama-marga

paths if we so desire. Many of us are not, due to the fact that it is

hard to see yourself in others if your practice consists in

controlling and harming others and pursuing power.

Now, someone might say, "well, we must accept all paths with love,

we are all her children". MK Gandhi might say, noncooperation with

evil is a responsibility of all persons who follow dharma.

We can be civil and respectful, though.

As a follower of dharma, I feel it is my responsibility to let

innocent people know that people involved in these ways can lie and

can attempt to draw the innocent into it. It is a dark world where you

will become a slave. This is my perspective.

 

 

Samatmika

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Thank you for your kind warning, Samatmika, and welcome to the

group.

 

As an upasak of Sri Vidya for 14 years, however, you will certainly

be aware that a true and sincere follower of the vamacharya does not

have a "practice [that] consists in controlling and harming others

and pursuing power."

 

 

, "samatmikadevi"

<samatmikadevi wrote:

>

> Since you do not know me, and I am new: I have been in Sri Vidya

for

> 14 years. I am a devotee of Kamakshi Devi. I follow shanti forms

of

> Mother.

> I am not enlightened yet. When someone pushes at my ego I react.

> Many of us in Sri Vidya have many opportunities to learn vama-

marga

> paths if we so desire. Many of us are not, due to the fact that it

is

> hard to see yourself in others if your practice consists in

> controlling and harming others and pursuing power.

> Now, someone might say, "well, we must accept all paths with

love,

> we are all her children". MK Gandhi might say, noncooperation

with

> evil is a responsibility of all persons who follow dharma.

> We can be civil and respectful, though.

> As a follower of dharma, I feel it is my responsibility to let

> innocent people know that people involved in these ways can lie

and

> can attempt to draw the innocent into it. It is a dark world where

you

> will become a slave. This is my perspective.

>

>

> Samatmika

>

[Guest guest]

Hi every one,

I am a new entrant to this group having joined you all a few weeks back. It

seems the group members are all hi-tech sadhakas, having had visions of the

mother, practising Sri Vidya for 14 to 15 years etc.,

 

There was some talk of Dharma and conduct of one's life according to Dharma. I

would like to share with you all an interesting conversation that happened

between gopis and Krishna during Rasa.

 

Krishna: Pl go back to your houses, gopis, for this is not the time and place

(the jungle of Brindavan) for household women to be present.

 

Gopis: Why should we go back to our houses?

 

Krishna: That is your Dharma, patni dharma to be beside your husbands and

serve.

 

Gopis: What do we gain by that, by following our Dharma?

 

Krishna: You will gain Chitta shuddhi -- purification of mind/ heart.

 

Gopis: What happens when we are purified?

 

Krishna: the Lord makes yuor heart his abode and you become one with him.

 

Gopis: That's what we are after and we have come to you and youare with us.

Now don't tell to go back to where a novice has to start. We have come to the

end of Dharma.

 

The conversation ends here and rasa starts. To my limited mind it occurs we

should allow Devi to work on us and guide us and we shall automatically tread

the path of Dharma. One requires patience. It is an organic transformation. It

takes its natural time.

 

The niyamas of Patanjali includes Tosham (be content with what you have),

Ishwarapranidhaanam (unshakeable faith in Devi) and Swadhyayam (loosely

translated -- introspection, literal meaning is self study).

 

Om Namah Tripurasundari.

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

Thank you for your kind warning, Samatmika, and welcome to the

group.

 

As an upasak of Sri Vidya for 14 years, however, you will certainly

be aware that a true and sincere follower of the vamacharya does not

have a "practice [that] consists in controlling and harming others

and pursuing power."

 

 

, "samatmikadevi"

<samatmikadevi wrote:

>

> Since you do not know me, and I am new: I have been in Sri Vidya

for

> 14 years. I am a devotee of Kamakshi Devi. I follow shanti forms

of

> Mother.

> I am not enlightened yet. When someone pushes at my ego I react.

> Many of us in Sri Vidya have many opportunities to learn vama-

marga

> paths if we so desire. Many of us are not, due to the fact that it

is

> hard to see yourself in others if your practice consists in

> controlling and harming others and pursuing power.

> Now, someone might say, "well, we must accept all paths with

love,

> we are all her children". MK Gandhi might say, noncooperation

with

> evil is a responsibility of all persons who follow dharma.

> We can be civil and respectful, though.

> As a follower of dharma, I feel it is my responsibility to let

> innocent people know that people involved in these ways can lie

and

> can attempt to draw the innocent into it. It is a dark world where

you

> will become a slave. This is my perspective.

>

>

> Samatmika

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

There are indeed some very accomplished and

knowledgeable people here in this group;

I feel honored to share this chunk of cyberspace

with them. But (speaking for myself, I guess)

there are also absolute beginners here.

 

So, to my fellow neophytes: you don't need an

impressive spiritual resume in order to post here.

In any case, my low-octane background doesn't stop

*me* from posting. :-)

 

, Radhakrishnan J

<jayaarshree wrote:

> [....]

> It seems the group members are all hi-tech

> sadhakas, having had visions of the mother,

> practising Sri Vidya for 14 to 15 years etc.,

> [....]

[Guest guest]

Radhakrishnan wrote: *** To my limited mind it occurs we should allow

Devi to work on us and guide us and we shall automatically tread the

path of Dharma. One requires patience. It is an organic

transformation. It takes its natural time. ***

 

Indeed, this is the only way. Any non-organic, impatience-driven,

unnaturally rapid or dramatic appearance of spiritual progress is (or

so it seems to me) itself a form a Maya.

 

This includes, I believe, examples like people who "force" the

Kundalini upward before they are ready, relying on pure technique;

those who trumpet their amazing "mystical experiences" and/or "god

intoxication" to one and all; or those who rapidly accumulate vast

stores of spiritual book knowledge (this phenomenon often being

accompanied by a desperate need to teach others who will -- maybe,

maybe, with luck and effort! -- consider them as "guru"!)

 

In fact, I'm afraid that all of these things most frequently indicate

only an *illusion* of "spiritual advancement" -- when in fact,

the "spiritual showman" has to trudge the same path as the rest of

us, beginning at the beginning and laboriously forging on toward the

goal, one step at a time -- with many false starts, bad turns and

backslides. The is our tamas pulling us earthward, as it must. Our

work, again and again, is to stand up, brush off, and re-focus on the

goal, allowing sattva to pull us forward toward it.

 

How do you know whether you're faced with a true spiritual master,

versus one caught n the illusion of being a master? To my mind, the

hint seems to be that -- after talking to "deluded masters" (what an

oxymoron!) one is left with an impression of one's own perceived

inadequacies: "Oh, they know so much more than I'll ever be able to

learn!' "Oh, I've never had such amazing visions!Oh, why doesn't

my kundalini race up and down my sushumna like that!Oh, they have

so much experience and have been doing this so long! Why didn't I

start years ago?"

 

BUT when one meets a truly great soul, the feeling is completely

different. What you feel is peace and compassion radiating toward

you; a complete absence of judgment or "spiritual oneupmanship."

Rather than leaving you feeling inadequate, stupid, or hopelessly

grounded, such souls leave you feeling capable of anything, refueled

and rededicated to your path. In other words, you feel the Divine

within, because It has been roused by mere proximity to one who knows

Its nature. You have been elevated. The path ahead of you may still

be long and hard, but just such meetings are the sorts of "visions"

most of us really experience -- and really need.

[Guest guest]

I would just like to second the comments. I have not yet, to my

knowledge, met a "master", but when, as has happened a few times in

my life, a great truth dawns on me, I do have that feeling of great

peace, and the realization that I have been in touch with something

universal and eternal. This is how I felt when the message of Shakti

Sadhana came my way and completed the intuitions that I had been

expressing to myself, and at this point, I am just walking in the

love of our Mother Shakti, and passing time reading messages and

threads., Love to all, Richard

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Radhakrishnan wrote: *** To my limited mind it occurs we should

allow

> Devi to work on us and guide us and we shall automatically tread

the

> path of Dharma. One requires patience. It is an organic

> transformation. It takes its natural time. ***

>

> Indeed, this is the only way. Any non-organic, impatience-driven,

> unnaturally rapid or dramatic appearance of spiritual progress is

(or

> so it seems to me) itself a form a Maya.

>

> This includes, I believe, examples like people who "force" the

> Kundalini upward before they are ready, relying on pure technique;

> those who trumpet their amazing "mystical experiences" and/or "god

> intoxication" to one and all; or those who rapidly accumulate vast

> stores of spiritual book knowledge (this phenomenon often being

> accompanied by a desperate need to teach others who will -- maybe,

> maybe, with luck and effort! -- consider them as "guru"!)

>

> In fact, I'm afraid that all of these things most frequently

indicate

> only an *illusion* of "spiritual advancement" -- when in fact,

> the "spiritual showman" has to trudge the same path as the rest of

> us, beginning at the beginning and laboriously forging on toward

the

> goal, one step at a time -- with many false starts, bad turns and

> backslides. The is our tamas pulling us earthward, as it must. Our

> work, again and again, is to stand up, brush off, and re-focus on

the

> goal, allowing sattva to pull us forward toward it.

>

> How do you know whether you're faced with a true spiritual master,

> versus one caught n the illusion of being a master? To my mind, the

> hint seems to be that -- after talking to "deluded masters" (what

an

> oxymoron!) one is left with an impression of one's own perceived

> inadequacies: "Oh, they know so much more than I'll ever be able to

> learn!' "Oh, I've never had such amazing visions!Oh, why doesn't

> my kundalini race up and down my sushumna like that!Oh, they

have

> so much experience and have been doing this so long! Why didn't I

> start years ago?"

>

> BUT when one meets a truly great soul, the feeling is completely

> different. What you feel is peace and compassion radiating toward

> you; a complete absence of judgment or "spiritual oneupmanship."

> Rather than leaving you feeling inadequate, stupid, or hopelessly

> grounded, such souls leave you feeling capable of anything,

refueled

> and rededicated to your path. In other words, you feel the Divine

> within, because It has been roused by mere proximity to one who

knows

> Its nature. You have been elevated. The path ahead of you may still

> be long and hard, but just such meetings are the sorts of "visions"

> most of us really experience -- and really need.

>

[Guest guest]

>>>"BUT when one meets a truly great soul, the feeling is completely

different. What you feel is peace and compassion radiating toward

you; a complete absence of judgment or "spiritual oneupmanship."

Rather than leaving you feeling inadequate, stupid, or hopelessly

grounded, such souls leave you feeling capable of anything, refueled

and rededicated to your path. In other words, you feel the Divine

within, because It has been roused by mere proximity to one who knows

Its nature. You have been elevated. The path ahead of you may still

be long and hard, but just such meetings are the sorts of "visions"

most of us really experience -- and really need."<<<

 

Dear Devi Bhakta,

Thank you for writing this...it so clearly describes the difference

between a truly great soul who is "completed" and those who may be

powerful but still trapped in Maya. It took me, personally, more

than The feeling that arises...of complete acceptance, of being truly

seen and seen as "lovable" on the most profound level...the feeling of

being actually CAPABLE of realization..all of those things that arise

when you are in the presence of a true Great Being are really quite

different than what arises when in the presence of a guru/teacher who

may have immense "power" but little actual realization.

[Guest guest]

Dear Devi B,

I just pressed the wrong button...send, rather than cancel...as I

had not finished writing...sorry. Your post on how to tell a real

master from a charlatan was really very accurate. People constantly

ask this question...how to tell a real master from a fake...and, when

siddhis are flying left and right, it's easy to get confused. I can

think of alot of people who would be helped by reading the last

paragraph of your post. Do you mind if I send it to a friend..

thanks,

sadhvi

(ps..please cancel my earlier post for me, if possible...it makes no

sense)

[Guest guest]

Hi D.B.,

Thanks for your response with its incisive analysis of the subject; and thanks

for couching it in flawless English. It's long long time since I've come across

a good piece of ordinary epistle.

 

As for Gurus, look for one who has been able to elevate a disciple to his

stature. To-day, we have gurus with world wide following, people who need

urgently a quickfix solution and this presents the gurus with enormous marketing

opportunities to sell their ware; but none has been able to elevate anyone to

his own stature.

 

As for gurus confounding the laity with their so called enlightenment and/ or

erudition, they themselves lie stupified in the grips of Maya. Gnaaninaam api

chetamsi Devi Bhagavati hi saa; Balaadaakrshya mohaya Mahamaya prayachchati.

 

om Namastripurasundari

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

Radhakrishnan wrote: *** To my limited mind it occurs we should allow

Devi to work on us and guide us and we shall automatically tread the

path of Dharma. One requires patience. It is an organic

transformation. It takes its natural time. ***

 

Indeed, this is the only way. Any non-organic, impatience-driven,

unnaturally rapid or dramatic appearance of spiritual progress is (or

so it seems to me) itself a form a Maya.

 

This includes, I believe, examples like people who "force" the

Kundalini upward before they are ready, relying on pure technique;

those who trumpet their amazing "mystical experiences" and/or "god

intoxication" to one and all; or those who rapidly accumulate vast

stores of spiritual book knowledge (this phenomenon often being

accompanied by a desperate need to teach others who will -- maybe,

maybe, with luck and effort! -- consider them as "guru"!)

 

In fact, I'm afraid that all of these things most frequently indicate

only an *illusion* of "spiritual advancement" -- when in fact,

the "spiritual showman" has to trudge the same path as the rest of

us, beginning at the beginning and laboriously forging on toward the

goal, one step at a time -- with many false starts, bad turns and

backslides. The is our tamas pulling us earthward, as it must. Our

work, again and again, is to stand up, brush off, and re-focus on the

goal, allowing sattva to pull us forward toward it.

 

How do you know whether you're faced with a true spiritual master,

versus one caught n the illusion of being a master? To my mind, the

hint seems to be that -- after talking to "deluded masters" (what an

oxymoron!) one is left with an impression of one's own perceived

inadequacies: "Oh, they know so much more than I'll ever be able to

learn!' "Oh, I've never had such amazing visions!Oh, why doesn't

my kundalini race up and down my sushumna like that!Oh, they have

so much experience and have been doing this so long! Why didn't I

start years ago?"

 

BUT when one meets a truly great soul, the feeling is completely

different. What you feel is peace and compassion radiating toward

you; a complete absence of judgment or "spiritual oneupmanship."

Rather than leaving you feeling inadequate, stupid, or hopelessly

grounded, such souls leave you feeling capable of anything, refueled

and rededicated to your path. In other words, you feel the Divine

within, because It has been roused by mere proximity to one who knows

Its nature. You have been elevated. The path ahead of you may still

be long and hard, but just such meetings are the sorts of "visions"

most of us really experience -- and really need.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Have also not had the fortune to meet a master like that but thats a feeling I

get on reading the Paramahamsa's works or Guru Nanak's.

 

ksnwcz <ksnwcz wrote: I would just like to second the comments. I

have not yet, to my

knowledge, met a "master", but when, as has happened a few times in

my life, a great truth dawns on me, I do have that feeling of great

peace, and the realization that I have been in touch with something

universal and eternal. This is how I felt when the message of Shakti

Sadhana came my way and completed the intuitions that I had been

expressing to myself, and at this point, I am just walking in the

love of our Mother Shakti, and passing time reading messages and

threads., Love to all, Richard

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta wrote:

>

> Radhakrishnan wrote: *** To my limited mind it occurs we should

allow

> Devi to work on us and guide us and we shall automatically tread

the

> path of Dharma. One requires patience. It is an organic

> transformation. It takes its natural time. ***

>

> Indeed, this is the only way. Any non-organic, impatience-driven,

> unnaturally rapid or dramatic appearance of spiritual progress is

(or

> so it seems to me) itself a form a Maya.

>

> This includes, I believe, examples like people who "force" the

> Kundalini upward before they are ready, relying on pure technique;

> those who trumpet their amazing "mystical experiences" and/or "god

> intoxication" to one and all; or those who rapidly accumulate vast

> stores of spiritual book knowledge (this phenomenon often being

> accompanied by a desperate need to teach others who will -- maybe,

> maybe, with luck and effort! -- consider them as "guru"!)

>

> In fact, I'm afraid that all of these things most frequently

indicate

> only an *illusion* of "spiritual advancement" -- when in fact,

> the "spiritual showman" has to trudge the same path as the rest of

> us, beginning at the beginning and laboriously forging on toward

the

> goal, one step at a time -- with many false starts, bad turns and

> backslides. The is our tamas pulling us earthward, as it must. Our

> work, again and again, is to stand up, brush off, and re-focus on

the

> goal, allowing sattva to pull us forward toward it.

>

> How do you know whether you're faced with a true spiritual master,

> versus one caught n the illusion of being a master? To my mind, the

> hint seems to be that -- after talking to "deluded masters" (what

an

> oxymoron!) one is left with an impression of one's own perceived

> inadequacies: "Oh, they know so much more than I'll ever be able to

> learn!' "Oh, I've never had such amazing visions!Oh, why doesn't

> my kundalini race up and down my sushumna like that!Oh, they

have

> so much experience and have been doing this so long! Why didn't I

> start years ago?"

>

> BUT when one meets a truly great soul, the feeling is completely

> different. What you feel is peace and compassion radiating toward

> you; a complete absence of judgment or "spiritual oneupmanship."

> Rather than leaving you feeling inadequate, stupid, or hopelessly

> grounded, such souls leave you feeling capable of anything,

refueled

> and rededicated to your path. In other words, you feel the Divine

> within, because It has been roused by mere proximity to one who

knows

> Its nature. You have been elevated. The path ahead of you may still

> be long and hard, but just such meetings are the sorts of "visions"

> most of us really experience -- and really need.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nityashakti wrote:

>..how to tell a real master from a fake...

 

According to my opinion she/he ought to go against the cultural stream she/he

works within.

 

Lars

[Guest guest]

In sadhan there is no discremination at all, no one is accomplished

or novice, no one is able to drag maa to have her vision, she gives

vision if her child needs it. it's all upto her, i had her vision

many times in my life but it was not me rather it's maa only who was

doing it. so pls. dont use "highttech" and such wordings.

 

regards,

Lalit Mishra.

 

, "msbauju" <msbauju wrote:

>

>

> There are indeed some very accomplished and

> knowledgeable people here in this group;

> I feel honored to share this chunk of cyberspace

> with them. But (speaking for myself, I guess)

> there are also absolute beginners here.

>

> So, to my fellow neophytes: you don't need an

> impressive spiritual resume in order to post here.

> In any case, my low-octane background doesn't stop

> *me* from posting. :-)

>

> , Radhakrishnan J

> <jayaarshree@> wrote:

> > [....]

> > It seems the group members are all hi-tech

> > sadhakas, having had visions of the mother,

> > practising Sri Vidya for 14 to 15 years etc.,

> > [....]

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest DB

 

Thank you for this rare insight. It makes sense, and has given me that which I

was looking for, but never knew what it was. The entire process of being

(better) must be a procession of upliftments, an experiencing of the unity and

not the falsehood of inadequacy. To an extent wisdom is knowing how I delude

myself through judgements based on desire. A friend and guru knows how

difficult it is to come out of this layered delusion, some call maya and

attribute to Ma. I am the one who has built these layers that have kept me

hopping to selfish gratifications - another ice-cream cone please ! When of

course the truth is that Maa is love and I am greed and fickleness.

 

May we ll find the way to Maa !

 

With whatever :-(

 

Vir

[Guest guest]

Hi Lars

Can u b more specific than that?

Om Namastripurasundari

 

Lars Hedström <lars wrote:

Nityashakti wrote:

>..how to tell a real master from a fake...

 

According to my opinion she/he ought to go against the cultural stream she/he

works within.

 

Lars

[Guest guest]

Radhakrishnan J:

>Hi Lars

> Can u b more specific than that?

> Om Namastripurasundari

 

I mean that cultural conditioning is very often a barrier to further spiritual

development. So to breake this in his students the master must act against the

cultural stream.

 

For example: a yogi living in US (where money is GOD) making BIG money is not

very credible to me. Instead he ought to act like money is nothing to seek.

 

A yogi living in a communist country where much money is evil, there the yogi

should act like much money is a good thing etc

 

Lars