Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hi Charu, I too was initiated to my mantra recently, but did not get a name. If I did, I wish it is Shiva so it can lead me to my sweet Kali ;-) What dess Tarini signify ? I recall you saying you were a classsical dancer. Is not that too a form of worship and meditation ? Please could you share the feeling and connection you experience when you surrender/embrace your form, if you consider this alright :-) In peace, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Have you thought that Maa might want it like that on this site! all of us mad-house have to tolerate each other. By the way, Tarini is my initiation name given by my Guru and I use it too. Tarini mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: All i ask is could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the scriptures the teachers and the sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks. Maybe you didn�t notice it but there is now a constant flood of postings on this list where people ridicule and laugh at others ideas, pretend to be the mouthpiece of devi or nature or kaula some even sign their postings with devis name instead of their to enforce their divinity. Let us please stop this and ignore distractions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Vir, Tarini is one of Maa's names, it means she that takes across, literally, tarini. However, I suggest that if your curious about this name then conduct a search into its meaning on your own. Dance is a powerful method for realization, especially, a sacred temple dance tradition if learnt in the right spirit. This is un-explainable as so much of true spirituality. But briefly, you surrender your ego to the deity, to divine consciousness, offer your mind-body-material position to Maa and only then does she take up your instruction. This is entirely an inner process. Again dance is experiance based, you learn......you practise.....you cannot explain. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Hi Charu, I too was initiated to my mantra recently, but did not get a name. If I did, I wish it is Shiva so it can lead me to my sweet Kali ;-) What dess Tarini signify ? I recall you saying you were a classsical dancer. Is not that too a form of worship and meditation ? Please could you share the feeling and connection you experience when you surrender/embrace your form, if you consider this alright :-) In peace, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Have you thought that Maa might want it like that on this site! all of us mad-house have to tolerate each other. By the way, Tarini is my initiation name given by my Guru and I use it too. Tarini mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: All i ask is could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the scriptures the teachers and the sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks. Maybe you didn�t notice it but there is now a constant flood of postings on this list where people ridicule and laugh at others ideas, pretend to be the mouthpiece of devi or nature or kaula some even sign their postings with devis name instead of their to enforce their divinity. Let us please stop this and ignore distractions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Thanks Tarini :-) A sacred temple dance could mean Odissi which was performed by Devadasis in ancient times. Not being an expert on dance traditions, I would imagine that Kathak is a non-temple form. But then again dance is dance, and one could offer one's any form of dance to divinity. When you say a sacred temple dance, in what are the essential differences from a non-temple performance based dance, and in what manner are they significant to realisation ? At the Padhmanabhapuram Palace south of Thiruvananthaapuram, there is a beautifully preserved dance recital mandap adjoining the temple, where annual performances are held to this very day. Of course it is wonderful that the Classical forms are alive with us today, with festivals taking place in Khajuraho and Konarak as well as in concert halls. According to Shruti, India's musical magazine published from Chennai, Dance performances grew by 25 percent in the recently concluded Madras season ! Great !!! I am trying to learn (not actually dance), just learn to appreciate it more by knowing. Also I am hoping to include such essences in spiritual tours around India, and when you spoke about realiasation through dance, specially sacred temple dance forms I have become quite excited. Thank you for what you have already shared, I can relate to it. I will pursue more on my own of course, but anything mre from you will be welcome. Smiles, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Vir, Tarini is one of Maa's names, it means she that takes across, literally, tarini. However, I suggest that if your curious about this name then conduct a search into its meaning on your own. Dance is a powerful method for realization, especially, a sacred temple dance tradition if learnt in the right spirit. This is un-explainable as so much of true spirituality. But briefly, you surrender your ego to the deity, to divine consciousness, offer your mind-body-material position to Maa and only then does she take up your instruction. This is entirely an inner process. Again dance is experiance based, you learn......you practise.....you cannot explain. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Hi Charu, I too was initiated to my mantra recently, but did not get a name. If I did, I wish it is Shiva so it can lead me to my sweet Kali ;-) What dess Tarini signify ? I recall you saying you were a classsical dancer. Is not that too a form of worship and meditation ? Please could you share the feeling and connection you experience when you surrender/embrace your form, if you consider this alright :-) In peace, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: [....] By the way, Tarini is my initiation name given by my Guru and I use it too. Tarini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Vir, your quest: When you say a sacred temple dance, in what are the essential differences from a non-temple performance based dance, and in what manner are they significant to realisation ? A sacred dance like Odissi for instance or Bharatnatyam, but, I shall especially talk of Odissi as I am training in that, is a tantra shastra in itself. This was performed by Devdasis originally, the Maharis, and is their dance. Now, my understanding based on my experiance of it is thus: done correctly, the dancer offers herself to the deity, then follows initiation into the sadhana often given by the deity herself or himself if they accept you. This is fact! but something not very well known today. Then the dance begins from your Guru but the real teaching comes from the deity itself. This is the test for the dancer whether this is happening or not! for this to happen the dancer has to become like an empty bowl then only wisdom flows in. The dance itself is wisdom. This is only one aspect, side by side, a rigorous spiritual sadhana has to be maintained to the deity for instance take Shakti, the dancer to get the above initiation will have to be an aradhak of Maa side by side. So dance and jap go side by side till they fuse into each other and............! Imagine! I learnt Kathak for 15 yrs before switching to Odissi. Kathak does not give this experiance. Odissi does as it is rooted in the dance tradition of Devi and Mahadeva or Gopala and Radha. I personally am an aradhaka of Maa, so am learning her manglacharan's and pallavi's. More later. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Thanks Tarini :-) A sacred temple dance could mean Odissi which was performed by Devadasis in ancient times. Not being an expert on dance traditions, I would imagine that Kathak is a non-temple form. But then again dance is dance, and one could offer one's any form of dance to divinity. When you say a sacred temple dance, in what are the essential differences from a non-temple performance based dance, and in what manner are they significant to realisation ? At the Padhmanabhapuram Palace south of Thiruvananthaapuram, there is a beautifully preserved dance recital mandap adjoining the temple, where annual performances are held to this very day. Of course it is wonderful that the Classical forms are alive with us today, with festivals taking place in Khajuraho and Konarak as well as in concert halls. According to Shruti, India's musical magazine published from Chennai, Dance performances grew by 25 percent in the recently concluded Madras season ! Great !!! I am trying to learn (not actually dance), just learn to appreciate it more by knowing. Also I am hoping to include such essences in spiritual tours around India, and when you spoke about realiasation through dance, specially sacred temple dance forms I have become quite excited. Thank you for what you have already shared, I can relate to it. I will pursue more on my own of course, but anything mre from you will be welcome. Smiles, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Vir, Tarini is one of Maa's names, it means she that takes across, literally, tarini. However, I suggest that if your curious about this name then conduct a search into its meaning on your own. Dance is a powerful method for realization, especially, a sacred temple dance tradition if learnt in the right spirit. This is un-explainable as so much of true spirituality. But briefly, you surrender your ego to the deity, to divine consciousness, offer your mind-body-material position to Maa and only then does she take up your instruction. This is entirely an inner process. Again dance is experiance based, you learn......you practise.....you cannot explain. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Hi Charu, I too was initiated to my mantra recently, but did not get a name. If I did, I wish it is Shiva so it can lead me to my sweet Kali ;-) What dess Tarini signify ? I recall you saying you were a classsical dancer. Is not that too a form of worship and meditation ? Please could you share the feeling and connection you experience when you surrender/embrace your form, if you consider this alright :-) In peace, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: [....] By the way, Tarini is my initiation name given by my Guru and I use it too. Tarini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Yes Tarini, the Diety and Dancer merge and emerge :-) I did find that Tarini is another name for Maa Tara, who was kind enough to introduce herself to me through the Aghora series by Svoboda. I recently completed my first reading of Kalis Odiyya by Bhairavan, another truly compelling experience shared, especially the astral group ! I think I understand to an extent what you mean by fusing with the divine in dance - the dance of clouds ! Thank you soo much Tarini Devi _/\_ please keep me forever within your sweet gaze ...... charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Vir, your quest: When you say a sacred temple dance, in what are the essential differences from a non-temple performance based dance, and in what manner are they significant to realisation ? A sacred dance like Odissi for instance or Bharatnatyam, but, I shall especially talk of Odissi as I am training in that, is a tantra shastra in itself. This was performed by Devdasis originally, the Maharis, and is their dance. Now, my understanding based on my experiance of it is thus: done correctly, the dancer offers herself to the deity, then follows initiation into the sadhana often given by the deity herself or himself if they accept you. This is fact! but something not very well known today. Then the dance begins from your Guru but the real teaching comes from the deity itself. This is the test for the dancer whether this is happening or not! for this to happen the dancer has to become like an empty bowl then only wisdom flows in. The dance itself is wisdom. This is only one aspect, side by side, a rigorous spiritual sadhana has to be maintained to the deity for instance take Shakti, the dancer to get the above initiation will have to be an aradhak of Maa side by side. So dance and jap go side by side till they fuse into each other and............! Imagine! I learnt Kathak for 15 yrs before switching to Odissi. Kathak does not give this experiance. Odissi does as it is rooted in the dance tradition of Devi and Mahadeva or Gopala and Radha. I personally am an aradhaka of Maa, so am learning her manglacharan's and pallavi's. More later. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Thanks Tarini :-) A sacred temple dance could mean Odissi which was performed by Devadasis in ancient times. Not being an expert on dance traditions, I would imagine that Kathak is a non-temple form. But then again dance is dance, and one could offer one's any form of dance to divinity. When you say a sacred temple dance, in what are the essential differences from a non-temple performance based dance, and in what manner are they significant to realisation ? At the Padhmanabhapuram Palace south of Thiruvananthaapuram, there is a beautifully preserved dance recital mandap adjoining the temple, where annual performances are held to this very day. Of course it is wonderful that the Classical forms are alive with us today, with festivals taking place in Khajuraho and Konarak as well as in concert halls. According to Shruti, India's musical magazine published from Chennai, Dance performances grew by 25 percent in the recently concluded Madras season ! Great !!! I am trying to learn (not actually dance), just learn to appreciate it more by knowing. Also I am hoping to include such essences in spiritual tours around India, and when you spoke about realiasation through dance, specially sacred temple dance forms I have become quite excited. Thank you for what you have already shared, I can relate to it. I will pursue more on my own of course, but anything mre from you will be welcome. Smiles, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Vir, Tarini is one of Maa's names, it means she that takes across, literally, tarini. However, I suggest that if your curious about this name then conduct a search into its meaning on your own. Dance is a powerful method for realization, especially, a sacred temple dance tradition if learnt in the right spirit. This is un-explainable as so much of true spirituality. But briefly, you surrender your ego to the deity, to divine consciousness, offer your mind-body-material position to Maa and only then does she take up your instruction. This is entirely an inner process. Again dance is experiance based, you learn......you practise.....you cannot explain. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Hi Charu, I too was initiated to my mantra recently, but did not get a name. If I did, I wish it is Shiva so it can lead me to my sweet Kali ;-) What dess Tarini signify ? I recall you saying you were a classsical dancer. Is not that too a form of worship and meditation ? Please could you share the feeling and connection you experience when you surrender/embrace your form, if you consider this alright :-) In peace, Vir charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: [....] By the way, Tarini is my initiation name given by my Guru and I use it too. Tarini Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Yes so it is...........when the dancer and the dance merge......... So you've met her already........Yes, Tarini is Tara, she is also Ma Bhagwati and is one with the essence of Mahakali. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Yes Tarini, the Diety and Dancer merge and emerge :-) I did find that Tarini is another name for Maa Tara, who was kind enough to introduce herself to me through the Aghora series by Svoboda. I recently completed my first reading of Kalis Odiyya by Bhairavan, another truly compelling experience shared, especially the astral group ! I think I understand to an extent what you mean by fusing with the divine in dance - the dance of clouds ! Thank you soo much Tarini Devi _/\_ please keep me forever within your sweet gaze ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Namaste ....... charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Yes so it is...........when the dancer and the dance merge......... So you've met her already........Yes, Tarini is Tara, she is also Ma Bhagwati and is one with the essence of Mahakali. Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Yes Tarini, the Diety and Dancer merge and emerge :-) I did find that Tarini is another name for Maa Tara, who was kind enough to introduce herself to me through the Aghora series by Svoboda. I recently completed my first reading of Kalis Odiyya by Bhairavan, another truly compelling experience shared, especially the astral group ! I think I understand to an extent what you mean by fusing with the divine in dance - the dance of clouds ! Thank you soo much Tarini Devi _/\_ please keep me forever within your sweet gaze ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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