Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear brothers and sistahs, I want to aks you a question. There seem to be very knowledgable people in this list. Four years ago i barely survived an incident that had to do with i guru i was studying with back then. A friend of mine had(s) a bad experience in another context. He is a very spiritual person and studied with several - renowned - ('tantric') gurus. He was truly growing into mastery himself and offered himself at the feet of a young and promising master in aghore. I mentioned the name before. They work with hypnosis, manifestation, siddhis, corpses, 'evil' and are basically nagas. I know that they sometimes throw curses. Many of them carry 'magical tools' that are ritually passed over from generation to generation. My friend now believes he is cursed and has good reasons although we (him and i) actually do not believe in curses. I often speak with him about this topic because we are both western people and experienced - as i guess many people on this list - dark forces in operation. Not because i was interested in this. All my life i lived rather sattvic. But how come that someone who is highly initiated in a traditional, indian teaching throw curses at "innocent" westeners who absolutely know nothing about curses or this kind of energy. What is the principle in operation here? Presupposing that i give an accurate description. The guru actually said that the person in question is cursed. How should i understand this having no experience or knowledge about this subject and being convinced it had nothing to do with real or authentic tantra or shakti-sadhana? We are both more a rational kind of person with difficult personality make-up and are strongly interested in mysticism. So naturally we go to study with shamans or masters. Like nath-gurus and aghora-babas. What is happening here? 108 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Dear Ralph, I don't know enough of traditions as to address your broader question, those more versed than I perhaps can help U. However, it is my experience that anything, including curses, may be absorbed to the "point" of dissolution which renders the energy into a positive (evolutionary) form for the recipient's potential use and/or redirection. Water does not resist a blade's cut. Hope this helps 93/333/696, ZN , "Ralph Nataraj" <108 wrote: > > Dear brothers and sistahs, > > I want to aks you a question. There seem to be very knowledgable people in > this list. > > Four years ago i barely survived an incident that had to do with i guru i > was studying with back then. > > A friend of mine had(s) a bad experience in another context. He is a very > spiritual person and studied with several - renowned - ('tantric') gurus. He > was truly growing into mastery himself and offered himself at the feet of a > young and promising master in aghore. I mentioned the name before. They work > with hypnosis, manifestation, siddhis, corpses, 'evil' and are basically > nagas. I know that they sometimes throw curses. Many of them carry 'magical > tools' that are ritually passed over from generation to generation. > > My friend now believes he is cursed and has good reasons although we (him > and i) actually do not believe in curses. I often speak with him about this > topic because we are both western people and experienced - as i guess many > people on this list - dark forces in operation. Not because i was interested > in this. All my life i lived rather sattvic. But how come that someone who > is highly initiated in a traditional, indian teaching throw curses at > "innocent" westeners who absolutely know nothing about curses or this kind > of energy. > > What is the principle in operation here? Presupposing that i give an > accurate description. The guru actually said that the person in question is > cursed. > > How should i understand this having no experience or knowledge about this > subject and being convinced it had nothing to do with real or authentic > tantra or shakti-sadhana? > > We are both more a rational kind of person with difficult personality > make-up and are strongly interested in mysticism. So naturally we go to > study with shamans or masters. Like nath-gurus and aghora-babas. > > What is happening here? > > 108 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Sweet Ralph, I know insignificantly about hexes, spells, curses; however having been taught "The Silva Method" and Reiki" 2nd Degree, I experienced the power of intent. Secondly in my earlier posts I had asked about 'wiccan' spell removing as I too believe I am under the influence of some horrid stuff. The first of these is that whenever I had intentions to do something, I end up doing the complete opposite. Secondly as I am going through a divorce battle, I know my ex has been dropping spells on me, as I found this out through 'kangi' readings in Kerala - when I was with her, she would also mix ash from a darga baba in my food. It was prana_devi (moderator of Shaki Wicca) who suggested as follows, I quote " A 20-20-20 day japa practice using a progression of mantras that fit your goal would also be very effective and particularly powerful. A good one for you may be 20 days of OM GAM Ganapatiye Namaha to clear the path, 20 days of Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha to help you transform any "laziness" or inertia that you have been struggling with, and then 20 days of OM Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha to help integrate the new energies and attract abundance in all forms. " unquote Moreover, as I believe (hopefully know) that "all is perfect" and that everythhing is as it should be, then the way I look at all these curses is that my UUUUUMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali wants it this way, so who the dickens am I to argue about it :-) In surrender and embracing her, just let it be. Yes I continue my practice as guided by her through so many sources, and seek, like you have for your friend - answers; BUT STOP WORRYING. There is no need. I hope this helps. With love, Vir {{{Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha == must be == Shante PrashAnte Sarva SuShupti Upashamani Swaha ??? - Moderator Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha == Sri MahAlakshmiyai Swaha ??}}} Ralph Nataraj <108 wrote: Dear brothers and sistahs, I want to aks you a question. There seem to be very knowledgable people in this list. Four years ago i barely survived an incident that had to do with i guru i was studying with back then. A friend of mine had(s) a bad experience in another context. He is a very spiritual person and studied with several - renowned - ('tantric') gurus. He was truly growing into mastery himself and offered himself at the feet of a young and promising master in aghore. I mentioned the name before. They work with hypnosis, manifestation, siddhis, corpses, 'evil' and are basically nagas. I know that they sometimes throw curses. Many of them carry 'magical tools' that are ritually passed over from generation to generation. My friend now believes he is cursed and has good reasons although we (him and i) actually do not believe in curses. I often speak with him about this topic because we are both western people and experienced - as i guess many people on this list - dark forces in operation. Not because i was interested in this. All my life i lived rather sattvic. But how come that someone who is highly initiated in a traditional, indian teaching throw curses at "innocent" westeners who absolutely know nothing about curses or this kind of energy. What is the principle in operation here? Presupposing that i give an accurate description. The guru actually said that the person in question is cursed. How should i understand this having no experience or knowledge about this subject and being convinced it had nothing to do with real or authentic tantra or shakti-sadhana? We are both more a rational kind of person with difficult personality make-up and are strongly interested in mysticism. So naturally we go to study with shamans or masters. Like nath-gurus and aghora-babas. What is happening here? 108 Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 There is an alleged conversation on the issue of problems Apadi kiM karaNIyam? == what is to be done in times of difficulties (everything discribed herein below comes within the defenition Apat) SmaraNIyam caraNayugaLamaMbAyAH == think of the two feet - take refuge in - of aMba - Mother taM kiM kurute? = what will it do?? brahmAdInAmapi ki~NkarIkurute = will make even Bhrahma etc. slaves. Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Sweet Ralph, I know insignificantly about hexes, spells, curses; however having been taught "The Silva Method" and Reiki" 2nd Degree, I experienced the power of intent. Secondly in my earlier posts I had asked about 'wiccan' spell removing as I too believe I am under the influence of some horrid stuff. The first of these is that whenever I had intentions to do something, I end up doing the complete opposite. Secondly as I am going through a divorce battle, I know my ex has been dropping spells on me, as I found this out through 'kangi' readings in Kerala - when I was with her, she would also mix ash from a darga baba in my food. It was prana_devi (moderator of Shaki Wicca) who suggested as follows, I quote " A 20-20-20 day japa practice using a progression of mantras that fit your goal would also be very effective and particularly powerful. A good one for you may be 20 days of OM GAM Ganapatiye Namaha to clear the path, 20 days of Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha to help you transform any "laziness" or inertia that you have been struggling with, and then 20 days of OM Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha to help integrate the new energies and attract abundance in all forms. " unquote Moreover, as I believe (hopefully know) that "all is perfect" and that everythhing is as it should be, then the way I look at all these curses is that my UUUUUMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali wants it this way, so who the dickens am I to argue about it :-) In surrender and embracing her, just let it be. Yes I continue my practice as guided by her through so many sources, and seek, like you have for your friend - answers; BUT STOP WORRYING. There is no need. I hope this helps. With love, Vir {{{Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha == must be == Shante PrashAnte Sarva SuShupti Upashamani Swaha ??? - Moderator Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha == Sri MahAlakshmiyai Swaha ??}}} Ralph Nataraj <108 wrote: Dear brothers and sistahs, I want to aks you a question. There seem to be very knowledgable people in this list. Four years ago i barely survived an incident that had to do with i guru i was studying with back then. A friend of mine had(s) a bad experience in another context. He is a very spiritual person and studied with several - renowned - ('tantric') gurus. He was truly growing into mastery himself and offered himself at the feet of a young and promising master in aghore. I mentioned the name before. They work with hypnosis, manifestation, siddhis, corpses, 'evil' and are basically nagas. I know that they sometimes throw curses. Many of them carry 'magical tools' that are ritually passed over from generation to generation. My friend now believes he is cursed and has good reasons although we (him and i) actually do not believe in curses. I often speak with him about this topic because we are both western people and experienced - as i guess many people on this list - dark forces in operation. Not because i was interested in this. All my life i lived rather sattvic. But how come that someone who is highly initiated in a traditional, indian teaching throw curses at "innocent" westeners who absolutely know nothing about curses or this kind of energy. What is the principle in operation here? Presupposing that i give an accurate description. The guru actually said that the person in question is cursed. How should i understand this having no experience or knowledge about this subject and being convinced it had nothing to do with real or authentic tantra or shakti-sadhana? We are both more a rational kind of person with difficult personality make-up and are strongly interested in mysticism. So naturally we go to study with shamans or masters. Like nath-gurus and aghora-babas. What is happening here? 108 Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Visit your group "" on the web. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. Tarini Ralph Nataraj <108 wrote: Dear brothers and sistahs, I want to aks you a question. There seem to be very knowledgable people in this list. Four years ago i barely survived an incident that had to do with i guru i was studying with back then. A friend of mine had(s) a bad experience in another context. He is a very spiritual person and studied with several - renowned - ('tantric') gurus. He was truly growing into mastery himself and offered himself at the feet of a young and promising master in aghore. I mentioned the name before. They work with hypnosis, manifestation, siddhis, corpses, 'evil' and are basically nagas. I know that they sometimes throw curses. Many of them carry 'magical tools' that are ritually passed over from generation to generation. My friend now believes he is cursed and has good reasons although we (him and i) actually do not believe in curses. I often speak with him about this topic because we are both western people and experienced - as i guess many people on this list - dark forces in operation. Not because i was interested in this. All my life i lived rather sattvic. But how come that someone who is highly initiated in a traditional, indian teaching throw curses at "innocent" westeners who absolutely know nothing about curses or this kind of energy. What is the principle in operation here? Presupposing that i give an accurate description. The guru actually said that the person in question is cursed. How should i understand this having no experience or knowledge about this subject and being convinced it had nothing to do with real or authentic tantra or shakti-sadhana? We are both more a rational kind of person with difficult personality make-up and are strongly interested in mysticism. So naturally we go to study with shamans or masters. Like nath-gurus and aghora-babas. What is happening here? 108 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 A hex, curse........or other tough deals on the spiritual path are spiritual trials! often when a sadhaka is ready for serious evolution Devi begins the testing, this is serious business! you have to survive it! Best way is survive it alone. Leading as simple a life as possible with daily practise of one single mantra. Surrender is it! she's making you surrender! and she'll bring you to your knees before she gathers you in her arms. But now that you guys are in it! stick it out! for she won't let you go till she's made a man out of You ! ha............ Surrender, practise daily, be alone, lead a life on the sattvic model at this time. For your evolving! be vegetarian.....eat less, sleep less........hahaha suffer and offer it to her! Burn your body and being as a candle, make her your oil! Om Maa Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Sweet Ralph, I know insignificantly about hexes, spells, curses; however having been taught "The Silva Method" and Reiki" 2nd Degree, I experienced the power of intent. Secondly in my earlier posts I had asked about 'wiccan' spell removing as I too believe I am under the influence of some horrid stuff. The first of these is that whenever I had intentions to do something, I end up doing the complete opposite. Secondly as I am going through a divorce battle, I know my ex has been dropping spells on me, as I found this out through 'kangi' readings in Kerala - when I was with her, she would also mix ash from a darga baba in my food. It was prana_devi (moderator of Shaki Wicca) who suggested as follows, I quote " A 20-20-20 day japa practice using a progression of mantras that fit your goal would also be very effective and particularly powerful. A good one for you may be 20 days of OM GAM Ganapatiye Namaha to clear the path, 20 days of Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha to help you transform any "laziness" or inertia that you have been struggling with, and then 20 days of OM Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha to help integrate the new energies and attract abundance in all forms. " unquote Moreover, as I believe (hopefully know) that "all is perfect" and that everythhing is as it should be, then the way I look at all these curses is that my UUUUUMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali wants it this way, so who the dickens am I to argue about it :-) In surrender and embracing her, just let it be. Yes I continue my practice as guided by her through so many sources, and seek, like you have for your friend - answers; BUT STOP WORRYING. There is no need. I hope this helps. With love, Vir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 And again: Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? , charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Dear Friend, Why do you hurt so much ? Where is the disrespect. If I know the Boss, do I still need to go through the Secretary ;-) If I brag about this, it is superiority. If I simply tell you that the Boss is cool to your walking in and having a chat, I am only trying to help with info based on my experience. I too seek to know my sweet Kali in every way, and though I try I realise that only her grace will take me there, I still have this stupid desire, because better would be pray she just lets me love her. Yet I wish to try to awaken my Kundalini, to know her more so to love her more. The 'natha' at the end of your name suggests you know the path. Please guide me. A long way to go, but the journey is already WOW ! WOW KALI ! WOW WOW !!! Vir mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: And again: Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? , charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Well, is it not possible that some paths are better than others,or that some paths are bad,false,wicked and harmful for the seeker?Some have tried many paths and found one to be the best and another to be harmful,shouldn't he/she try to use their experience and reasoning to support te truth they have discovered? - mahahradanatha Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:23 PM Re: aghore And again: Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? , charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Over half a year ago I got it into my head that I needed a Guru and "my" Mantra. So I started pushing and proding my sweet Kali; 'come on dear, gimme a guru'. None came. So I changed my strategy, 'okay Kali, no guru for me, now You be my Guru'. Poor Kali, what a disciple. Sits in front of her in what ever state of mind and body, wavess some light and inscence around, some tilak, and gee-wiz pooja is done. So convenient. At least I can get up and move around, but the poor images of 'my' dieties just stay right there, and accept when-ever and however I dish-out whatever. Boy, I am lucky :-) So now Kali is selected to be my Guru. Now where is my mantra dear. Pronto, some time later this mantra starts whirling around my head. Sounds okay, some jyotishs also suggested something similar in a particular direction; so I was kind of convinced, so japa was spardonic. Well a week ago, I was for two weeks at Swami Rama's Ashram in Rishikesh. An 80 year lady by the name of Nina Johnson turns up, in India after 30 years ! I learn that she is one of the 8 or 9 people that Swami Rama has permitted to give Mantra Diksha (Initiation). Next morning at 6 am I am going for a cup of tea when Nina comes down the steps. Goodmorning/Goodmorning. We walk a little way along the pebbled path. Now here is a lady who know all about mantra diksha. I am curious. "Nina", I ask her "is it correct to ask for a mantra or is it supposed to come to the student when he is ready ?' "He should ask", Nina answers " I asked for my mantra". I am not convinced, layers you know....... perhaps to much reading and talking. So I seek to clarify "But Nina, is it not said that when the student is ready, the teacher will appear ?" "True" says Nina, "but when the Teacher appears, the student should ask" Aah ha, reminded me of Jesus "Ask and you will receive, Seek and you will find, Knock and the door will be opened to you" Aah Ha !!! Doubts cleared. I asked. Nina lovingly initiated me. Imagine an 80 year old Devi in India after 30 years. Is that a coincidence or what ! Hmmm, and the mantra, the same as the one my UUUUUMMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali whirled around my head ! Coincidence ? I don't think so. A few days earlier I met an Aghori (he himself told me so) on the way back from Vashisht Cave, stark-naked, weaving like intoxicated across the road. He never stopped me. I stopped the car myself. He lightened my wallet, peed into his hand, drank the pee, and blessed me and my friend with the same hand . Remember I stopped, he never asked. Coincidence ? I don't think so. A day earlier I arrived at the ashram and touched my head at the feet of Swami Hari. The following day, the day I went with to Vashist Cave, he called me and said that God as put your head on top. It is not meant to come down. If you must bow, do it from your heart "hirday", from inside in truth. The Path. Coincidence ? I don't think so. Swami Jai Dev (Justin O' Brien, author of Walking with a Himalayan Master", comes to the Ashram. We have adjacent rooms. I get a bag of cookies from him :-) His partner, Maa Devi teaches me meditation for mantra japa. Coincidence ? I don't think so. I am interviewed by the BBC aong the ghats of the Ganga before the Aarti at Parmarth Niketan (don't miss this if you are ever this side) for a program to be aired on TV 15 Aug 2006, India's 60 years of Independence. Whats a computer savvy modern animal like me doing in an ancient spiritual place like Rishikesh. Coincidence ? I don't think so. Tarini saying "Burn your body and being as a candle, make her your oil!" Coincidence ? I don't think so. With love ......... coincidence ? Ya, .... way to go :-) charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: A hex, curse........or other tough deals on the spiritual path are spiritual trials! often when a sadhaka is ready for serious evolution Devi begins the testing, this is serious business! you have to survive it! Best way is survive it alone. Leading as simple a life as possible with daily practise of one single mantra. Surrender is it! she's making you surrender! and she'll bring you to your knees before she gathers you in her arms. But now that you guys are in it! stick it out! for she won't let you go till she's made a man out of You ! ha............ Surrender, practise daily, be alone, lead a life on the sattvic model at this time. For your evolving! be vegetarian.....eat less, sleep less........hahaha suffer and offer it to her! Burn your body and being as a candle, make her your oil! Om Maa Tarini Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: Sweet Ralph, I know insignificantly about hexes, spells, curses; however having been taught "The Silva Method" and Reiki" 2nd Degree, I experienced the power of intent. Secondly in my earlier posts I had asked about 'wiccan' spell removing as I too believe I am under the influence of some horrid stuff. The first of these is that whenever I had intentions to do something, I end up doing the complete opposite. Secondly as I am going through a divorce battle, I know my ex has been dropping spells on me, as I found this out through 'kangi' readings in Kerala - when I was with her, she would also mix ash from a darga baba in my food. It was prana_devi (moderator of Shaki Wicca) who suggested as follows, I quote " A 20-20-20 day japa practice using a progression of mantras that fit your goal would also be very effective and particularly powerful. A good one for you may be 20 days of OM GAM Ganapatiye Namaha to clear the path, 20 days of Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha to help you transform any "laziness" or inertia that you have been struggling with, and then 20 days of OM Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha to help integrate the new energies and attract abundance in all forms. " unquote Moreover, as I believe (hopefully know) that "all is perfect" and that everythhing is as it should be, then the way I look at all these curses is that my UUUUUMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali wants it this way, so who the dickens am I to argue about it :-) In surrender and embracing her, just let it be. Yes I continue my practice as guided by her through so many sources, and seek, like you have for your friend - answers; BUT STOP WORRYING. There is no need. I hope this helps. With love, Vir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 This is why I am here in SS :-D CS <mprgrandmaster wrote: Well, is it not possible that some paths are better than others,or that some paths are bad,false,wicked and harmful for the seeker?Some have tried many paths and found one to be the best and another to be harmful,shouldn't he/she try to use their experience and reasoning to support te truth they have discovered? - mahahradanatha Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:23 PM Re: aghore And again: Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? , charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 93 Namaste, Of course that is not only possible, but a fact At least in the case we do not have any clear idea of what to call a "path" or "darshana". When Parashuramakalpasutra says that no darshanas should be degraded, that refers to darshanas - it doesn't mean we have to concider any idiocy to be darshana LOL However both Nathism and Aghorachara are true and authentic darshanas. Problem may be with certain sadhu or guru, may be with disciple or story we heard . But not with paths in this case. A , "CS" <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Well, > is it not possible that some paths are better than others,or that some paths are bad,false,wicked and harmful for the seeker?Some have tried many paths and found one to be the best and another to be harmful,shouldn't he/she try to use their experience and reasoning to support te truth they have discovered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > This is why I am here in SS :-D > > CS <mprgrandmaster wrote: Well, > is it not possible that some paths are better than others,or that some paths are bad,false,wicked and harmful for the seeker?Some have tried many paths and found one to be the best and another to be harmful,shouldn't he/she try to use their experience and reasoning to support te truth they have discovered? > > > - > mahahradanatha And again: > Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? > > , charu jagat <charu_jagat@> > wrote: > > > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Dear Friend, > > Why do you hurt so much ? Where is the disrespect. If I know the Boss, do I still need to go through the Secretary ;-) If I brag about this, it is superiority. If I simply tell you that the Boss is cool to your walking in and having a chat, I am only trying to help with info based on my experience. > Now lets all rationalise this statement okay. Lets say you come or invited into somebody's house. The house owner have been very nice, kind and tolerant towards you. Then another comes asking for advice, and you say : Ah! dont ask this people here. Go somewhere else. And ure telling me RED, this is not rude? Just abt less then 2 months ago Charu comes here claiming to be new and asking for guidance, suddenly she have a guru now and are initiated. I thought this is amazing! If you want to give advise, please all means give, but not at the expense of another. Putting another down. YOu think this is right? Now we do have Natha Gurus and Aghoris in this group. I know they do not demand respect. Nor they seek any recognition. But there is something we all as adult understands as BASIC COURTESY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi Nora, I do see your point here. However I don't think she was being rude, just telling us what she thought. I too seek inspiration and direction through various paths, Aghora and Tantra being prime focuses. However if I identify with the path and not the journey and destination`, I am labelled and lost, at least this is how I see it. I am sorry to taken this matter lightly. I know we all have feelings, andd I do not wish t hurt aanyone including my-self. I m sorry. With love, Red NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: --- In , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > This is why I am here in SS :-D > > CS <mprgrandmaster wrote: Well, > is it not possible that some paths are better than others,or that some paths are bad,false,wicked and harmful for the seeker?Some have tried many paths and found one to be the best and another to be harmful,shouldn't he/she try to use their experience and reasoning to support te truth they have discovered? > > > - > mahahradanatha And again: > Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? > > , charu jagat <charu_jagat@> > wrote: > > > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Dear Friend, > > Why do you hurt so much ? Where is the disrespect. If I know the Boss, do I still need to go through the Secretary ;-) If I brag about this, it is superiority. If I simply tell you that the Boss is cool to your walking in and having a chat, I am only trying to help with info based on my experience. > Now lets all rationalise this statement okay. Lets say you come or invited into somebody's house. The house owner have been very nice, kind and tolerant towards you. Then another comes asking for advice, and you say : Ah! dont ask this people here. Go somewhere else. And ure telling me RED, this is not rude? Just abt less then 2 months ago Charu comes here claiming to be new and asking for guidance, suddenly she have a guru now and are initiated. I thought this is amazing! If you want to give advise, please all means give, but not at the expense of another. Putting another down. YOu think this is right? Now we do have Natha Gurus and Aghoris in this group. I know they do not demand respect. Nor they seek any recognition. But there is something we all as adult understands as BASIC COURTESY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 One more thing, I did not mean disrespect, I myself have passed through Natha teaching......its simply this that sometimes, in some situations being alone helps. lots of love, Tarini mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: And again: Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? , charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove the curse after a period of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Well You see, let me tell u a story. Once I invited a friend from far away. This is the first time we met and perhaps first time to for him to come and stay with a family like us. We find his/her bahaviour disturbing and anti social. But we let it pass, telling ourselves : well perhaps its just the cultural thing. He/She comes from a very different culture and not aware of ours. Perhaps its norm for them but not to us. So we say : lets forgive him/her, for she/he know not. But for somebody who claim to come from the same background, now that is a different story. "Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris" this word is not just a mere accidental but intentionally as far as I'm concern. Going through Natha teaching and having a Natha as a Guru is two different issue here. Do not try to confuse people. If you are not fond of the Natha Gurus, or the Aghoris or the vamacharis, that is your bloody problem, but there are many here who are. And I do not tolerate them being use as a punch bag. Let me repeat mahahradanatha words again: "Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? I shall stop at this and will not respond any more to this thread. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Hi Nora, > > I do see your point here. However I don't think she was being rude, just telling us what she thought. I too seek inspiration and direction through various paths, Aghora and Tantra being prime focuses. However if I identify with the path and not the journey and destination`, I am labelled and lost, at least this is how I see it. > > I am sorry to taken this matter lightly. I know we all have feelings, andd I do not wish t hurt aanyone including my-self. > > I m sorry. > > With love, > > Red > > > > NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: --- In , Vir Rawlley <redderred@> > wrote: > > > > This is why I am here in SS :-D > > > > CS <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: Well, > > is it not possible that some paths are better than others,or that > some paths are bad,false,wicked and harmful for the seeker?Some have > tried many paths and found one to be the best and another to be > harmful,shouldn't he/she try to use their experience and reasoning > to support te truth they have discovered? > > > > > > - > > mahahradanatha And again: > > > Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the > differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from > disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and > sadhaks? > > > > , charu jagat > <charu_jagat@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris, practise alone in one > room, ask Maa to guide you......prostrate at the feet of divine > reality and it will guide you out of this. Ask your friend to > practise alone in one room taking Maa as his Guru. She will remove > the curse after a period of testing. > > > , Vir Rawlley <redderred@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > Why do you hurt so much ? Where is the disrespect. If I know the > Boss, do I still need to go through the Secretary ;-) If I brag > about this, it is superiority. If I simply tell you that the Boss > is cool to your walking in and having a chat, I am only trying to > help with info based on my experience. > > > > > Now lets all rationalise this statement okay. Lets say you come or > invited into somebody's house. The house owner have been very nice, > kind and tolerant towards you. Then another comes asking for advice, and you say : Ah! dont ask this people here. Go somewhere else. And ure telling me RED, this is not rude? Just abt less then 2 months ago Charu comes here claiming to be new and asking for guidance, suddenly she have a guru now and are initiated. I thought this is amazing! If you want to give advise, please all means give, but not at the expense of another. Putting another down. YOu think this is right? > > Now we do have Natha Gurus and Aghoris in this group. I know they do not demand respect. Nor they seek any recognition. But there is > something we all as adult understands as BASIC COURTESY. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 It was Not Intenstional! Sometimes when facing a tough situation a person needs to be Alone and take direct direction from divine reality! It was no dis-respect to Aghoris or Nath's. All paths are one path, as a river they all merge into one sea, the sea of pure love and compassion. All paths lead to this great love....... and consideration. Dont get upset, hmmmm, what I said was only meant for Ralph and his friend. Lots of love, tarini NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: Well You see, let me tell u a story. Once I invited a friend from far away. This is the first time we met and perhaps first time to for him to come and stay with a family like us. We find his/her bahaviour disturbing and anti social. But we let it pass, telling ourselves : well perhaps its just the cultural thing. He/She comes from a very different culture and not aware of ours. Perhaps its norm for them but not to us. So we say : lets forgive him/her, for she/he know not. But for somebody who claim to come from the same background, now that is a different story. "Go not to the Nath Gurus and Aghoris" this word is not just a mere accidental but intentionally as far as I'm concern. Going through Natha teaching and having a Natha as a Guru is two different issue here. Do not try to confuse people. If you are not fond of the Natha Gurus, or the Aghoris or the vamacharis, that is your bloody problem, but there are many here who are. And I do not tolerate them being use as a punch bag. Let me repeat mahahradanatha words again: "Could we all please share our thoughts with respect towards the differing scriptures teachers and sadhaks and abstain from disrespect and feelings of superiority to other paths and gurus and sadhaks? I shall stop at this and will not respond any more to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Wonderful. Thanks and Regards Dp On 4/2/06, Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Over half a year ago I got it into my head that I needed a Guru and "my" > Mantra. So I started pushing and proding my sweet Kali; 'come on dear, > gimme a guru'. None came. So I changed my strategy, 'okay Kali, no guru > for me, now You be my Guru'. Poor Kali, what a disciple. Sits in front of > her in what ever state of mind and body, wavess some light and inscence > around, some tilak, and gee-wiz pooja is done. So convenient. At least I > can get up and move around, but the poor images of 'my' dieties just stay > right there, and accept when-ever and however I dish-out whatever. Boy, I > am lucky :-) > > So now Kali is selected to be my Guru. Now where is my mantra > dear. Pronto, some time later this mantra starts whirling around my > head. Sounds okay, some jyotishs also suggested something similar in a > particular direction; so I was kind of convinced, so japa was spardonic. > > Well a week ago, I was for two weeks at Swami Rama's Ashram in > Rishikesh. An 80 year lady by the name of Nina Johnson turns up, in India > after 30 years ! I learn that she is one of the 8 or 9 people that Swami > Rama has permitted to give Mantra Diksha (Initiation). > > Next morning at 6 am I am going for a cup of tea when Nina comes down the > steps. Goodmorning/Goodmorning. We walk a little way along the pebbled > path. Now here is a lady who know all about mantra diksha. I am > curious. "Nina", I ask her "is it correct to ask for a mantra or is it > supposed to come to the student when he is ready ?' "He should ask", Nina > answers " I asked for my mantra". I am not convinced, layers you > know....... perhaps to much reading and talking. So I seek to clarify "But > Nina, is it not said that when the student is ready, the teacher will appear > ?" "True" says Nina, "but when the Teacher appears, the student should > ask" Aah ha, reminded me of Jesus "Ask and you will receive, Seek and you > will find, Knock and the door will be opened to you" > > Aah Ha !!! Doubts cleared. I asked. Nina lovingly initiated me. Imagine > an 80 year old Devi in India after 30 years. Is that a coincidence or what > ! > > Hmmm, and the mantra, the same as the one my UUUUUMMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali > whirled around my head ! > > Coincidence ? I don't think so. > > A few days earlier I met an Aghori (he himself told me so) on the way back > from Vashisht Cave, stark-naked, weaving like intoxicated across the > road. He never stopped me. I stopped the car myself. He lightened my > wallet, peed into his hand, drank the pee, and blessed me and my friend with > the same hand . Remember I stopped, he never asked. > > Coincidence ? I don't think so. > > A day earlier I arrived at the ashram and touched my head at the feet of > Swami Hari. The following day, the day I went with to Vashist Cave, he > called me and said that God as put your head on top. It is not meant to > come down. If you must bow, do it from your heart "hirday", from inside in > truth. The Path. > > Coincidence ? I don't think so. > > Swami Jai Dev (Justin O' Brien, author of Walking with a Himalayan > Master", comes to the Ashram. We have adjacent rooms. I get a bag of > cookies from him :-) His partner, Maa Devi teaches me meditation for > mantra japa. > > Coincidence ? I don't think so. > > I am interviewed by the BBC aong the ghats of the Ganga before the Aarti > at Parmarth Niketan (don't miss this if you are ever this side) for a > program to be aired on TV 15 Aug 2006, India's 60 years of > Independence. Whats a computer savvy modern animal like me doing in an > ancient spiritual place like Rishikesh. > > Coincidence ? I don't think so. > > Tarini saying "Burn your body and being as a candle, make her your oil!" > > Coincidence ? I don't think so. > > With love ......... coincidence ? Ya, .... way to go :-) > > > > charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: A hex, curse........or > other tough deals on the spiritual path are spiritual trials! often when a > sadhaka is ready for serious evolution Devi begins the testing, this is > serious business! you have to survive it! Best way is survive it alone. > Leading as simple a life as possible with daily practise of one single > mantra. Surrender is it! she's making you surrender! and she'll bring you to > your knees before she gathers you in her arms. But now that you guys are in > it! stick it out! for she won't let you go till she's made a man out of You > ! ha............ > > Surrender, practise daily, be alone, lead a life on the sattvic model > at this time. For your evolving! be vegetarian.....eat less, sleep > less........hahaha suffer and offer it to her! Burn your body and being as a > candle, make her your oil! > > Om Maa > > Tarini > > Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > Sweet Ralph, > > I know insignificantly about hexes, spells, curses; however having been > taught "The Silva Method" and Reiki" 2nd Degree, I experienced the power of > intent. Secondly in my earlier posts I had asked about 'wiccan' spell > removing as I too believe I am under the influence of some horrid > stuff. The first of these is that whenever I had intentions to do > something, I end up doing the complete opposite. Secondly as I am going > through a divorce battle, I know my ex has been dropping spells on me, as I > found this out through 'kangi' readings in Kerala - when I was with her, she > would also mix ash from a darga baba in my food. > > It was prana_devi (moderator of Shaki Wicca) who suggested as > follows, I quote > > " A 20-20-20 day japa practice using a progression of mantras that fit > your goal would also be very effective and particularly powerful. A good one > for you may be 20 days of OM GAM Ganapatiye Namaha to clear the path, 20 > days of Shante Prashante Sarva Shu-Shupti Upasha Mani Swaha to help you > transform any "laziness" or inertia that you have been struggling with, and > then 20 days of OM Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha to help integrate the new > energies and attract abundance in all forms. " unquote > > Moreover, as I believe (hopefully know) that "all is perfect" and that > everythhing is as it should be, then the way I look at all these curses is > that my UUUUUMAAAAAAAA sweetest Kali wants it this way, so who the dickens > am I to argue about it :-) In surrender and embracing her, just let it be. > > Yes I continue my practice as guided by her through so many sources, and > seek, like you have for your friend - answers; BUT STOP WORRYING. There is > no need. > > I hope this helps. > > With love, > > Vir Links > > > > > > > -- Thanks Dp [The force is feminine in nature] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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