Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Correction: Vimilananda very much considered himself to be Aghora, and he was a wondering, sky clad Aghora for many years.(all according to Svoboda) He even claims that an actual incarnation of Dattatreya, (whom he interacted with in the mountain forests),THE Dattatreya (in the flesh) was his "senior Guru Maharaj". That would be about the pinnacle for an aghori, wouldn't it? , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Thank you Mahahradnatha. I will take your word. However the 3 Aghora books are readable by a child like me. > > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: These paths fascinated me, specially Aghore as I liked the devotion > for Tara that Vimalnanda showed in the Aghora series, a too the love > for Kali shared by Amarananda Bhairavan in his Kali's Oddiya. > > > > Now please do not make a mistake here the Book is called Aghora but had > nothing whatever to do with the Aghor Lineage of sadhus Vimalanada is > NOT an Aghor nor is he a Nath Panthi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Where did he say that? , "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 wrote: > > > Correction: Vimilananda very much considered himself to be Aghora, > and he was a wondering, sky clad Aghora for many years.(all > according to Svoboda) > > He even claims that an actual incarnation of Dattatreya, (whom he > interacted with in the mountain forests),THE Dattatreya (in the > flesh) was his "senior Guru Maharaj". That would be about the > pinnacle for an aghori, wouldn't it? > > , Vir Rawlley <redderred@> > wrote: > > > > Thank you Mahahradnatha. I will take your word. However the 3 > Aghora books are readable by a child like me. > > > > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha@> wrote: These paths > fascinated me, specially Aghore as I liked the devotion > > for Tara that Vimalnanda showed in the Aghora series, a too the > love > > for Kali shared by Amarananda Bhairavan in his Kali's Oddiya. > > > > > > > Now please do not make a mistake here the Book is called Aghora > but had > > nothing whatever to do with the Aghor Lineage of sadhus > Vimalanada is > > NOT an Aghor nor is he a Nath Panthi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 He called himself an Aghori alright, but where did he say he was part of the Aghori sadhu sampradaya? He was opposed to sampradaya. , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha wrote: > > Where did he say that? > > , "ckeniley2003" > <ckeniley2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Correction: Vimilananda very much considered himself to be Aghora, > > and he was a wondering, sky clad Aghora for many years.(all > > according to Svoboda) > > > > He even claims that an actual incarnation of Dattatreya, (whom he > > interacted with in the mountain forests),THE Dattatreya (in the > > flesh) was his "senior Guru Maharaj". That would be about the > > pinnacle for an aghori, wouldn't it? > > > > , Vir Rawlley <redderred@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Mahahradnatha. I will take your word. However the 3 > > Aghora books are readable by a child like me. > > > > > > mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha@> wrote: These paths > > fascinated me, specially Aghore as I liked the devotion > > > for Tara that Vimalnanda showed in the Aghora series, a too the > > love > > > for Kali shared by Amarananda Bhairavan in his Kali's Oddiya. > > > > > > > > > > Now please do not make a mistake here the Book is called Aghora > > but had > > > nothing whatever to do with the Aghor Lineage of sadhus > > Vimalanada is > > > NOT an Aghor nor is he a Nath Panthi. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Yes this is correct, I forgot the word he used, but it meant "incineration" - burn everything that comes in the way of the truth. From reading the Aghora series, nowhere did I find him "against" anything, including sampradya because he left everything to his mother Tara, which means he trusted her to guide him, in which case any pre-conceived notions are not possible. What he meant was that Truth was more important than Tradition. Tradition is a tool, a path, a process. Just like Kashmir Shaivism took from many Tantric traditions of India, Vimalananda took through Maa Tara that which he required from various traditions. To say he had " > > > nothing whatever to do with the Aghor Lineage of sadhus Vimalanada is NOT an Aghor nor is he a Nath Panthi" is an opinion, not truth, based on your beliefs. We have discussed many times here in SS that we each have our paths and none is "holier than thou", so why are you so keen to insist that Vimalananda was not an Aghori. What difference does it make to you or to us. Please explain why and towards what benefit you pick-up this point. I recall you did it once earlier in my posts. And please do not say that I have to understnd the Nath or Aghora traditions because, that just shows you are stuck in the may of knowledge. Moreover traditions can be followed back to a beginning, so perhaps now is the time the Vimalananda Tradition is born ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dear Vir í only say that Aghor sampradaya is a differnt path from what Vimalananda taught, though he had gurus they where not from Aghor sampradaya that he calls himself aghori doesn´t mean that he belongs to Aghor Sampradaya. His name alone shows this, aghor do not have ....ananda in their names. He never said he belongs to Aghor Sampradaya, he is a devotee of Tara, Aghors are Shaivas they follow a diffferent path. He himself never mentionend as far as i know who his gurus where nor does svoboda,i think he doesn´t mention his Gurus or his Sampradaya openly because he is opposed to the implications of an identification with a traditional sampradaya which can indeed be very devastating. I only mentionend this for your benefit so that you do not seek from aghor or nath sampradaya Gurus what they cannot give, but look in another direction. But if you prefer to associate Svoboda with Aghor or Nath sampradaya i have no objections you have my blessing. Mahahradanatha Aghor Lineage: In the 16th century Baba Kinaram, after receiving darshan with Bhagwan Dattatreya in Girnar mountains, awakened it for the welfare of the humanity at large and embers hidden under the ashes began to glow again. In the presence of Baba Kinaram spontaneous relief was received by the suffering, answers to questions came automatically, and mind experienced calmness naturally. One would experience the higher Self merely by being in his presence. Baba Kinaram traveled far and wide in all the four corners of India and witnessing the suffering of people, engaged himself whole-heartedly in alleviating their suffering. Finally on the bank of the river Ganges in Varanasi, he established his dhuni (sacred fire) and continued his sadhana of service. The akhand dhuni (continuos burning fire) of Baba Kinaram fed by the leftover wood from the nearby cremation grounds, and the samadhis (tombs) of all the siddhas of the lineage in the same compound, are witness to the continuum of this intact lineage of Aghor Siddhas. Today, this yoga-bhumi (land of sadhana) of Aghor Siddhas of Kashi (Varanasi) is called Krim Kund. The recorded history of the Siddhas who headed the seat of Aghor in Varanasi at Krim Kund after Baba Kinaram established the akhand dhuni is as follows: 1. Baba Kalu Ram (Bhagwan Dattatreya) 2. Aghoracharya Baba Kinaram (16th century) 3. Baba Bija Ram 4. Baba Dhouta Ram 5. Baba Gaibi Ram 6. Baba Bhavani Ram 7. Baba Jainarayan Ram 8. Baba Mathura Ram 9. Baba Saryu Ram 10. Baba Dal Singar Ram 11. Baba Rajeshwar Ram 12. Aghoreshwar Baba Bhagwan Ramji http://aghor.org/new/lineage.php This page has beautiful picture of the incredible powerful kreem kund dhuni, please vist for darshan. , Vir Rawlley <redderred wrote: > > Yes this is correct, I forgot the word he used, but it meant "incineration" - burn everything that comes in the way of the truth. From reading the Aghora series, nowhere did I find him "against" anything, including sampradya because he left everything to his mother Tara, which means he trusted her to guide him, in which case any pre-conceived notions are not possible. What he meant was that Truth was more important than Tradition. Tradition is a tool, a path, a process. > > Just like Kashmir Shaivism took from many Tantric traditions of India, Vimalananda took through Maa Tara that which he required from various traditions. > > To say he had " > > > nothing whatever to do with the Aghor Lineage of sadhus Vimalanada is NOT an Aghor nor is he a Nath Panthi" is an opinion, not truth, based on your beliefs. We have discussed many times here in SS that we each have our paths and none is "holier than thou", so why are you so keen to insist that Vimalananda was not an Aghori. What difference does it make to you or to us. Please explain why and towards what benefit you pick-up this point. I recall you did it once earlier in my posts. And please do not say that I have to understnd the Nath or Aghora traditions because, that just shows you are stuck in the may of knowledge. Moreover traditions can be followed back to a beginning, so perhaps now is the time the Vimalananda Tradition is born ;-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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