Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 parAkAsa : The Supreme ether. Because she is without quality, ie she is Parabrahman. The ChA. Up [i. 9.1] in the following passages means ether as Parabrahman, "He said that is ether, ether is the greatest of all these things. This ether is the supreme rest" It is also declared in the Ved-Sutra [i. 1.22]. "The ether is Brahman on account of characteristic marks" That is, it does not mean the elemental ether. The KUrma Pr. says, "Whose [of Brahman] supreme divine energy is called ether.Thus she is the origin of the universe, namely ones, wll, all-controllig, Mahesvari energy, without beginning, called ether, as if shining in the heavens". Or ParAkAsa, is the supreme ether as declared by the Sruti [Tai. Up. III. 6.1]: "He is established in the supreme ehter" This is of two kinds, one in the universe, and the other, in the body. Here parAkAsa means the place of the manifesttion of Brahman - she is in that form. The CidgaganacandrikA, says, "The fire which moves in the ether, residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, which is the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva". The Svacchandasamgraha also says, "Above the forehead there is a place called DvAdasAnta, where the top of the skull ends and two fingers beyond the head, there is what is called the supreme ether" Or the ether beyond the seven oceans is called ParAkAsa. There Lalitha abides in her sixteenth year. The KAdimata, says, "from the krta year, in each year [the sixteen nityA deities] abide [in a particular place]. Thus in the second year, by the term [each deity] dwell. In the sixteenth year, lalitA, abides in the supreme ether. To the salila [Ocean by term], Citra and other deities, go. Thus [the nityA deities] take a round" The meaning is :There are sixteen places, namely Meru, the seven continents, the seven oceans, and ParAkAsa, these are also called varsas, [years]; of these, the first is the year of Krtayuga, in that yaer the sixteen nityA deities, namely Lalita, KAmeswari, BhagamAlini, etc. to CitrA remain. In the second year, LalitA remains in the KsAra ocean; the next deity goes to the next place and so on. By this method in the sixteen year LalitA goes to the ParAkasa. Thus the cycle. Or parAka, a kind of expiation called krcchra; Asa, [lit quarter] the object to be attained. The meaning is :Her path is only to be attained by penance. Or, AsA, to eat, ie she is the enjoyer of the result produces from such penances. According to the Visva, "Aka means sin and pain," para highest, and Asa to consume [ie she destroys sin and pain for her devotees}. ParAkAsa may mean also "without illustration" BhAskararAya's Commentary Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 She is Ultimate Space. "parame vyomni pratisthitA: She is established in the Ultimate Akasa [space, or ether]." (Tai. Up. 3-6-1) Alternatively, the reference on the human scale is: "dvyAngulordhvam sirodesAt param vyoma pratisthitam: Beyond the head, two inches above it, is parAkAsa, which is the abode of the Divine Mother." According to the Kurma Purana, the Supreme Power of Brahma is called Akasa. Akasa is the first transformation of AtmA toward srsti, or Creation. Chan. Up. 1-9-1 names Akasa as "the most Supreme of all these things." - Dr. C. Suryanarayana Murthy, Commentary on the Sri Lalita Sahasranama, 1962 , "NMadasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: > > > parAkAsa : The Supreme ether. > > Because she is without quality, ie she is Parabrahman. The ChA. Up [i. > 9.1] in the following passages means ether as Parabrahman, "He said > that is ether, ether is the greatest of all these things. This ether > is the supreme rest" It is also declared in the Ved-Sutra [i. > 1.22]. "The ether is Brahman on account of characteristic marks" That > is, it does not mean the elemental ether. The KUrma Pr. says, "Whose > [of Brahman] supreme divine energy is called ether.Thus she is the > origin of the universe, namely ones, wll, all-controllig, Mahesvari > energy, without beginning, called ether, as if shining in the heavens". > > Or ParAkAsa, is the supreme ether as declared by the Sruti [Tai. Up. > III. 6.1]: "He is established in the supreme ehter" This is of two > kinds, one in the universe, and the other, in the body. Here parAkAsa > means the place of the manifesttion of Brahman - she is in that form. > The CidgaganacandrikA, says, "The fire which moves in the ether, > residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, which is > the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the > supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva". The Svacchandasamgraha > also says, "Above the forehead there is a place called DvAdasAnta, > where the top of the skull ends and two fingers beyond the head, there > is what is called the supreme ether" > > Or the ether beyond the seven oceans is called ParAkAsa. There Lalitha > abides in her sixteenth year. The KAdimata, says, "from the krta year, > in each year [the sixteen nityA deities] abide [in a particular > place]. Thus in the second year, by the term [each deity] dwell. In > the sixteenth year, lalitA, abides in the supreme ether. To the salila > [Ocean by term], Citra and other deities, go. Thus [the nityA deities] > take a round" The meaning is :There are sixteen places, namely Meru, > the seven continents, the seven oceans, and ParAkAsa, these are also > called varsas, [years]; of these, the first is the year of Krtayuga, > in that yaer the sixteen nityA deities, namely Lalita, KAmeswari, > BhagamAlini, etc. to CitrA remain. In the second year, LalitA remains > in the KsAra ocean; the next deity goes to the next place and so on. > By this method in the sixteen year LalitA goes to the ParAkasa. Thus > the cycle. > > Or parAka, a kind of expiation called krcchra; Asa, [lit quarter] the > object to be attained. The meaning is :Her path is only to be attained > by penance. Or, AsA, to eat, ie she is the enjoyer of the result > produces from such penances. > > According to the Visva, "Aka means sin and pain," para highest, and > Asa to consume [ie she destroys sin and pain for her devotees}. > ParAkAsa may mean also "without illustration" > > > > > BhAskararAya's Commentary > Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 "The fire which moves in the ether, residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, which is the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva These lines are so beautiful. Now, just asking setting interpretations aside what does the group feel is the nature or the experiance of this supreme ether, Siva? Tarini NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: parAkAsa : The Supreme ether. Because she is without quality, ie she is Parabrahman. The ChA. Up [i. 9.1] in the following passages means ether as Parabrahman, "He said that is ether, ether is the greatest of all these things. This ether is the supreme rest" It is also declared in the Ved-Sutra [i. 1.22]. "The ether is Brahman on account of characteristic marks" That is, it does not mean the elemental ether. The KUrma Pr. says, "Whose [of Brahman] supreme divine energy is called ether.Thus she is the origin of the universe, namely ones, wll, all-controllig, Mahesvari energy, without beginning, called ether, as if shining in the heavens". Or ParAkAsa, is the supreme ether as declared by the Sruti [Tai. Up. III. 6.1]: "He is established in the supreme ehter" This is of two kinds, one in the universe, and the other, in the body. Here parAkAsa means the place of the manifesttion of Brahman - she is in that form. The CidgaganacandrikA, says, "The fire which moves in the ether, residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, which is the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva". The Svacchandasamgraha also says, "Above the forehead there is a place called DvAdasAnta, where the top of the skull ends and two fingers beyond the head, there is what is called the supreme ether" Or the ether beyond the seven oceans is called ParAkAsa. There Lalitha abides in her sixteenth year. The KAdimata, says, "from the krta year, in each year [the sixteen nityA deities] abide [in a particular place]. Thus in the second year, by the term [each deity] dwell. In the sixteenth year, lalitA, abides in the supreme ether. To the salila [Ocean by term], Citra and other deities, go. Thus [the nityA deities] take a round" The meaning is :There are sixteen places, namely Meru, the seven continents, the seven oceans, and ParAkAsa, these are also called varsas, [years]; of these, the first is the year of Krtayuga, in that yaer the sixteen nityA deities, namely Lalita, KAmeswari, BhagamAlini, etc. to CitrA remain. In the second year, LalitA remains in the KsAra ocean; the next deity goes to the next place and so on. By this method in the sixteen year LalitA goes to the ParAkasa. Thus the cycle. Or parAka, a kind of expiation called krcchra; Asa, [lit quarter] the object to be attained. The meaning is :Her path is only to be attained by penance. Or, AsA, to eat, ie she is the enjoyer of the result produces from such penances. According to the Visva, "Aka means sin and pain," para highest, and Asa to consume [ie she destroys sin and pain for her devotees}. ParAkAsa may mean also "without illustration" BhAskararAya's Commentary Translated into English by R. Ananthakrishna Sastry. Traditions Divine Visit your group "" on the web. Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 , charu jagat <charu_jagat wrote: Perhaps as the saying goes, to a hammer everything looks to be a nail ... But to me, this is a beautiful poetic description of Kundalini. Love, Nina > > "The fire which moves in the ether, > residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, which is > the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the > supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva > > These lines are so beautiful. Now, just asking setting interpretations aside what does the group feel is the nature or the experiance of this supreme ether, Siva? > > Tarini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 This is a technical description of a Yoga Meditation, also described in the Verses of Bhogarnatha and elsewhere, (the torrent of Satchitananda is "the ether beyond the seven oceans is called ParAkAsa. There Lalitha abides in her sixteenth year" mentionend by Bhaskaraya) which is the supreme Amrit. (16th year= sixteenth i.e supreme Kala residing in the Moon in the Sahasrara chakra) I am trying to understand all this now for decades and still cannnot grasp all the Meaning, this is very complex. The "sounds end" is Parakasha. Sun and moon are the ida and pingala nadis inbetween in the heart resides the flame (sound) of the Jivatma. By meditation and inner restrain they perform worship. The sound of the drum and the conch is heard in the ears. Those who meditate hear the sound of the anklet's movement. They see the performance of Chidambaara's great dance. Those who meditate drink endlessly from the torrent of Satchitananda that Devi pours forth. Those who meditate daily fix the chain of the firm mind to Siva & Devi's feet. 34 Once you fix the mind's chain You need only lock it up and you will become joyous bliss complete. Once locked... retaining the breath, they stand as the Immovable Pillar. Aiyaa! In that single instant when the mind is fixed, they seek out the Sound's End in the vastness of space. Having raised the Twelve-inch Flame, it is entered. There they offer worship residing at the Sound's End. Mahahradanatha , "znanna93" <ninahill wrote: > > , charu jagat <charu_jagat@> > wrote: > Perhaps as the saying goes, to a hammer everything looks to be a > nail ... > > > > But to me, this is a beautiful poetic description of Kundalini. > > Love, > Nina > > > > > "The fire which moves in the ether, > > residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, > which is > > the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the > > supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva > > > > These lines are so beautiful. Now, just asking setting > interpretations aside what does the group feel is the nature or the > experiance of this supreme ether, Siva? > > > > Tarini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Namaste, Yikes, dear Mahahradanatha, you have provided here a riddle for me to play with, and to think and say perhaps more than I should I have found the rest of the text in searching, too (oh, my!). But I cannot resist comment ... being the lush I am LOL ... > By meditation and inner restrain > they perform worship. In kundalini trance, meditation, She graces the Twins ... time and space are forfeit and there is nothing but HEr ... > The sound > of the drum > and the conch > is heard > in the ears. Thunder kinds of sound often heard by me in this type of energized stasis .. > Those who meditate > hear the sound > of the anklet's > movement. This, I interpret as ringing in the ears, also a frequent byproduct of major kundalini workings, in my experiences... > They see > the performance > of Chidambaara's > great dance. I don't know the reference here, though when active, swaying (like a snake or a dancer) seems a natural way of maintaining balance, rather than attempting to restrict the movement of Fire ... > Those who meditate > drink endlessly > from the torrent > of Satchitananda > that Devi pours forth. This I am glad to see, I have never understood the notion that restricting the Flow somehow helps one to raise energy ... SHE is INFINITE, "endless" ... somehow much of what I have read seems to be interpreted that releasing energy, prana, chi, whatever is bad and instead it should be retained - I think this is nonsense, but what the bleep do I know? > Those who meditate daily > fix the chain > of the firm mind > to Siva & Devi's feet. Heh, She is Mistress, and I am Her humble servant > > 34 > > Once you fix the mind's chain > You need only lock it up > and you will become > joyous bliss complete. Surrender ... > Once locked... > retaining the breath, I like to breathe in meditation using a long 8 count inhaling, same exhaling. I inhale through right nostril, exhale through left, to start, then switch. Then, I move into a circular breathing thingy where somehow I inhale and exhale at the same time, it is like breathing ceases. Perhaps this is the reference? > they stand > as the Immovable Pillar. > Aiyaa! > In that single instant > when the mind is fixed, > they seek out the Sound's End > in the vastness of space. Time and space cease to have meaning in meditative trance, a single instant is all time. Think quantum physics, here? > Having raised > the Twelve-inch Flame, > it is entered. > There they offer worship > residing at the Sound's End. > In interest of precluding, um, pornographic images I comment no further on this part 93/333/696, ZN (YFNSID) , "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha wrote: > > This is a technical description of a Yoga Meditation, also described > in the Verses of Bhogarnatha and elsewhere, (the torrent of > Satchitananda is "the ether beyond the seven oceans is called > ParAkAsa. There Lalitha abides in her sixteenth year" mentionend by > Bhaskaraya) which is the supreme Amrit. (16th year= sixteenth i.e > supreme Kala residing in the Moon in the Sahasrara chakra) > I am trying to understand all this now for decades and still cannnot > grasp all the Meaning, this is very complex. The "sounds end" is > Parakasha. Sun and moon are the ida and pingala nadis inbetween in > the heart resides the flame (sound) of the Jivatma. > > By meditation and inner restrain > they perform worship. > The sound > of the drum > and the conch > is heard > in the ears. > Those who meditate > hear the sound > of the anklet's > movement. > They see > the performance > of Chidambaara's > great dance. > Those who meditate > drink endlessly > from the torrent > of Satchitananda > that Devi pours forth. > Those who meditate daily > fix the chain > of the firm mind > to Siva & Devi's feet. > > 34 > > Once you fix the mind's chain > You need only lock it up > and you will become > joyous bliss complete. > Once locked... > retaining the breath, > they stand > as the Immovable Pillar. > Aiyaa! > In that single instant > when the mind is fixed, > they seek out the Sound's End > in the vastness of space. > Having raised > the Twelve-inch Flame, > it is entered. > There they offer worship > residing at the Sound's End. > > Mahahradanatha > > > , "znanna93" <ninahill@> > wrote: > > > > , charu jagat <charu_jagat@> > > wrote: > > Perhaps as the saying goes, to a hammer everything looks to be a > > nail ... > > > > > > > > But to me, this is a beautiful poetic description of Kundalini. > > > > Love, > > Nina > > > > > > > > "The fire which moves in the ether, > > > residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, > > which is > > > the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is the > > > supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva > > > > > > These lines are so beautiful. Now, just asking setting > > interpretations aside what does the group feel is the nature or the > > experiance of this supreme ether, Siva? > > > > > > Tarini > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Don´t expect MY commentary, like i wrote i need guidance here myself. and my current ideas about Kundalini differ so much from what people take for granted i am afraid of writing about it without causing great commotion:) and protest. The heart is the meeting place of many paths, a crossroad so to say, and a funeral ground also as it is said that contemplation on its essence can burn our illusions. What where the namas before Parakasa? Visvatomukhi, = She (consciousness) appears with thousand different faces embodied in different sensual shapes oustside. Pratyagrupa = when turning the senses inward (called restrain in the verse from bhogarnatha) Parakasha= you see Shiva residing in the subtle form of Sound in the heart. and now you realise the Life force: Pranada= Breath, life energy which is the "Hamsah self" oscillating betwenn inside (Parakasha in the heart) and outside. (visvatomukhi meditation on the forms of deity in front) But the twin Poles (Sun and Moon, fire water) are not only inside and out but also above and below and not only that they also appear to the left and right side of the subtle body. All these energies are brought together by contemplation to converge in the heart. shrIbhairava uvAcha shRiNu devI mahAbhage uttarasyApy anuttaram yad ayaM kauliko vidhir mama hRidvyomny avasthitaH kathayAmi na saMdehaH sadyaH kaulikasiddhidam The Lord Bhairava said: hear oh Goddess, o one of great fortune, about the higher than the highest and also about the highest. I will describe to you the Ultimate,so that no doubt remains, the Ultimate which grants the Kaulika Perfection. That Kaulika function resides in the great space of my heart. Paratrisikalaghuvritti I know only very little about this subject and would be happy if some of the more learnend Members of this list could contribute or comment on these namas and the topic and correct my errors. Mahahradanatha , "znanna93" <ninahill wrote: > > Namaste, > > Yikes, dear Mahahradanatha, you have provided here a riddle for me > to play with, and to think and say perhaps more than I should I > have found the rest of the text in searching, too (oh, my!). > > But I cannot resist comment ... being the lush I am LOL ... > > > > By meditation and inner restrain > > they perform worship. > > In kundalini trance, meditation, She graces the Twins ... time and > space are forfeit and there is nothing but HEr ... > > > The sound > > of the drum > > and the conch > > is heard > > in the ears. > > Thunder kinds of sound often heard by me in this type of energized > stasis .. > > > Those who meditate > > hear the sound > > of the anklet's > > movement. > > This, I interpret as ringing in the ears, also a frequent byproduct > of major kundalini workings, in my experiences... > > > They see > > the performance > > of Chidambaara's > > great dance. > > I don't know the reference here, though when active, swaying (like a > snake or a dancer) seems a natural way of maintaining balance, > rather than attempting to restrict the movement of Fire ... > > > Those who meditate > > drink endlessly > > from the torrent > > of Satchitananda > > that Devi pours forth. > > This I am glad to see, I have never understood the notion that > restricting the Flow somehow helps one to raise energy ... SHE is > INFINITE, "endless" ... somehow much of what I have read seems to be > interpreted that releasing energy, prana, chi, whatever is bad and > instead it should be retained - I think this is nonsense, but what > the bleep do I know? > > > Those who meditate daily > > fix the chain > > of the firm mind > > to Siva & Devi's feet. > > Heh, She is Mistress, and I am Her humble servant > > > > > 34 > > > > Once you fix the mind's chain > > You need only lock it up > > and you will become > > joyous bliss complete. > > Surrender ... > > > Once locked... > > retaining the breath, > > I like to breathe in meditation using a long 8 count inhaling, same > exhaling. I inhale through right nostril, exhale through left, to > start, then switch. Then, I move into a circular breathing thingy > where somehow I inhale and exhale at the same time, it is like > breathing ceases. Perhaps this is the reference? > > > they stand > > as the Immovable Pillar. > > Aiyaa! > > In that single instant > > when the mind is fixed, > > they seek out the Sound's End > > in the vastness of space. > > Time and space cease to have meaning in meditative trance, a single > instant is all time. Think quantum physics, here? > > > Having raised > > the Twelve-inch Flame, > > it is entered. > > There they offer worship > > residing at the Sound's End. > > > > In interest of precluding, um, pornographic images I comment no > further on this part > > > > > > 93/333/696, > ZN > (YFNSID) > > > > > , "mahahradanatha" > <mahahradanatha@> wrote: > > > > This is a technical description of a Yoga Meditation, also > described > > in the Verses of Bhogarnatha and elsewhere, (the torrent of > > Satchitananda is "the ether beyond the seven oceans is called > > ParAkAsa. There Lalitha abides in her sixteenth year" mentionend > by > > Bhaskaraya) which is the supreme Amrit. (16th year= sixteenth i.e > > supreme Kala residing in the Moon in the Sahasrara chakra) > > I am trying to understand all this now for decades and still > cannnot > > grasp all the Meaning, this is very complex. The "sounds end" is > > Parakasha. Sun and moon are the ida and pingala nadis inbetween in > > the heart resides the flame (sound) of the Jivatma. > > > > By meditation and inner restrain > > they perform worship. > > The sound > > of the drum > > and the conch > > is heard > > in the ears. > > Those who meditate > > hear the sound > > of the anklet's > > movement. > > They see > > the performance > > of Chidambaara's > > great dance. > > Those who meditate > > drink endlessly > > from the torrent > > of Satchitananda > > that Devi pours forth. > > Those who meditate daily > > fix the chain > > of the firm mind > > to Siva & Devi's feet. > > > > 34 > > > > Once you fix the mind's chain > > You need only lock it up > > and you will become > > joyous bliss complete. > > Once locked... > > retaining the breath, > > they stand > > as the Immovable Pillar. > > Aiyaa! > > In that single instant > > when the mind is fixed, > > they seek out the Sound's End > > in the vastness of space. > > Having raised > > the Twelve-inch Flame, > > it is entered. > > There they offer worship > > residing at the Sound's End. > > > > Mahahradanatha > > > > > > , "znanna93" <ninahill@> > > wrote: > > > > > > , charu jagat > <charu_jagat@> > > > wrote: > > > Perhaps as the saying goes, to a hammer everything looks to be a > > > nail ... > > > > > > > > > > > > But to me, this is a beautiful poetic description of Kundalini. > > > > > > Love, > > > Nina > > > > > > > > > > > "The fire which moves in the ether, > > > > residing between the sun and the moon which are in the heart, > > > which is > > > > the energy of the action : that which is above the flame is > the > > > > supreme ether. There, O mother, show me Siva > > > > > > > > These lines are so beautiful. Now, just asking setting > > > interpretations aside what does the group feel is the nature or > the > > > experiance of this supreme ether, Siva? > > > > > > > > Tarini > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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