Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 Oh, yogis, <br>I feel like I'm at a crossroads in my practice. My issue is with the routine of ashtanga...I'm not one who does well with this kind of structure. For ex., I used to do Bikram yoga ("GASP"), about a year ago. I enjoyed the flow very much and it really helped to open my body, but after only 4 months I was totally burned out from doing the same thing every day. So, I moved onward and upward to a daily primary series practice, which REALLY opened me up and brought my practice to a whole new level. After several months of study/practicing this style though, the repetition is starting to get to me once again. Hope someone can offer some advice on these points:<br> - Is this a problem for any other ashtangis out there? If so, how do you cope with the potential of burnout from doing the same routine every day? I imagine that some people work on the same poses in the 1st series for years before they are able to move on...<br> - How does one find/generate creativity within the structure of an ashtanga routine (if this is at all possible)? Perhaps this only comes after "mastery" of the particular series, but it could sure help me now.<br><br>I know that practicing with a sangha could help a lot with these issues, but I'm living in a virtual yoga-oasis. If I can't break through this barrier, I might be forced to defect back to Bikram (just kidding!).<br><br>Your advice is appreciated,<br>Amrita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Dear Amrita:<br>This is coming from a "newbie," with a year and a half under my belt, so take it with a grain of salt. There are certainly people more experienced out there who can add their thoughts.<br>What I like about the routine is it enables you to calm the mind. The practice is like moving meditation. You don't have to think about what comes next, you just flow into it. It works to quell monkey mind, when your thoughts are jumping around from one thing to another.<br>I may be working on the same postures day in and out, but they are never the same, due to how I feel, how my body and mind are working that day. How I approach a particularly tough pose may engage my creativity; getting into one does surprise me sometimes. But the best for me is to sort of lose thought, open my mind, engage breath, bandhas, and drishtis and let the practice take over.<br>I hope that my personal experience helps...<br>B<br><br>PS, my friend who is an Iyengar teacher says she can't concieve of doing the same thing day after day, she needs variety. I find it calming and focusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 namaste-<br>dristi, bandhas, ujjayi, dharana<br>this should keep you busy & boredom free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 I sypathise with you. I myself find it very hard to sustain interest in practising because of the repetition (go on, tell me I have a butterfly mind, no mind... whatever...). I can handle doing sun sals A & B every time, and to a certain extent the standing postures, but after that I really wish there was an alternative set of postures so I could vary it from day to day. Call me a heretic, but I don't find the tedium a challenge and the predictability doesn't still my mind: I'm off thinking about chips, or my pile of ironing, or what gigs I'm gonna see. I'd concentrate MUCH more if I could vary it. But, of course, I would be burned at the yoga stake for doing such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 You are so not alone. The phase of being stuck in first series limbo can be excruciating if you started yoga late and the progress is not the way it would have been were you for instance starting as an 18 year old indian boy. Or a westerner but with a dance or gymnastic background. You have to be creative and vary it but keep at first series inbetween whatever you vary it with. Do all you can to accellerate your practice to be able to move on from first series. Visualize, practice 6 days a week, do a cleanse. Strenthen the parts of the body that are holding you back. Be proactive to prevent your ashtanga practice from falling by the wayside due to monotony. No-one has the right to tell you that it really doesn't have to be monotonous unless they themselves are and have always been stuck in first series. And even if they are - they are not you , creative exciting you. You who do not tolerate the same day twice in a row. And i have this advice- visit an intro to 2nd series class with a renegade. It will expand your horizon with an explosion (- but only if you know how to maintain alignment in poses that are challenging in order to practice safely). Start a home practice where you let your body lead you - it is a fun and exciting journey full of surprises.<br>Take workshops with a variety of teachers. Start additional sutras classes. Open the whole wide world of yoga to yourself - it is waaaaay beyond a repetitive routine.<br>Bon Voyage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 I've been at this crossroads too and my approach has been to try to make the practice more of a meditation and bring a greater degree of mindfulness and absorption into it, "to quell monkey mind" as bandawoman put it. (And as the name implies, mine is a monkey mind par excellance.) I used to find the routine frustrating, now I find any deviation from it frustrating as it dilutes my concentration. Studying sitting meditation and doing retreats has been invaluable to me in this as I bring what I learn back into my yoga practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 I don't know how arid your "yoga oasis" is, but I find it helpful to occasionally take a non-Ashtanga class if I'm feeling stuck. The biggest benefit of taking other classes is that they always makes me grateful for first series and how complete a practice it is.<br>Maybe Ayatollah SPW will have a different opinion on that.<br>If you see your practice as a chore it will be a chore. But if you can approach it with gratitude, and can try to find the joy in each asana -- enjoying the work, enjoying being in your body -- maybe you will find the cloud lifting. Be kind to yourself! Every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 namaste-<br>I find open classes and pre-ashtanga classes quite helpful to my mysore practice. However, I often end up trading the series for them. Anyone out there do an open class and run the series as well in one day? Would this make one vunerable to injury?<br>Any experience out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Amrita-<br><br>I don't know where you live and what sort of yoga and especially Ashtanga yoga facilities are available to you. I also read all of the replies to your message and agree with points made in each of them. However: there are excellent teachers around who teach "improvisational" Ashtanga classes in addition to traditional classes. Some of these incorporate intros to poses from series beyond the primary series, or work on variations and alternative asanas to those of the first series to develop particular points. Perhaps I'm fortunate to live in Southern Californa since this is a "hotbed" of Ashtanga activity. There is a Saturday morning improv class in Encinitas that is excellent, and I look forward to it; my regular practice is always improved after that improv class. Look around in the phone book and on the net! PS, you can also add asanas and variations to your mysore routine for development, just as you would to compensate for limitations and injuries. It may not be perfectly orthodox, but it is very good for your practice. Good luck. It need never be boring or a chore, Ashtanga practice should be a joy. Remember: Stritha sukham asanam!<br><br>ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 I can't say I'm bored with Primary sereis yet but I've often thought if I was I would have "theme" practices. Kind of like on Sesame street where todays show is brought to you by the letter "S" or "Q". You could put a colourful card in front of your mat that says "Today is mulabandha day" and focus only on mulabandha in each posture. The next day could be brought to by "drishtis".<br><br>The other thought I had was to start learning 2nd series and alternate days of humility with days of roaring familiarity. Or try doing a full vinayasa day doing a full sun salutation between postures and half vinyasa between sides.<br><br>Once you've ascended to putting your foot behind your head and second series gets dull there's always 3rd series. I thought I'd read somewhere Sharath practices first on Monday, second on Tuesday, third on Wednesday, fourth on Thursday, fifth on Friday, skips Saturday and does the ultra top secret grandsons only sixth series on Sunday. So much yoga to look forward to!<br><br>Or you could try practicing blind folded<br><br>Try practicing naked.<br><br>Try practicing outside in unique and exotic locations.<br><br>Try practicing to an audio tape<br><br>Try practicing wearing funny clothes<br><br>Try teaching your friends, family or people on the street.<br><br>Try practicing to heavy metal music<br><br>Try preparing yourself for the yoga championships (see <a href=http://www.theonion.com/archives/monkgloats.html target=new>http://www.theonion.com/archives/monkgloats.html</a>)<br><br>As Einstein said: "Imagination is more powerful than knowledge"<br><br>I think the key is make it playful. Once you stop playing you stop living.<br><br>Hope this helps.<br><br>Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 Thanks a million for all your innovative, inspirational suggestions. I agree with one of the responses that boredome results from a lack of mindfulness, but I don't think that this is completely my problem (but definitely part of it). I'm just curious about other postures. So, I've decided to start taking an Iyengar class once a week, to sample the "yoga buffet" as Mr. Wey put it, and to add depth to my practice. I think this will help a lot. Thanks again, all!<br><br>As for practicing with music:<br>I love doing yoga with music...I got turned on to the devotional chanting, tablas etc., when I practiced with some other ashtangis at Kripalu a while back. I'm pretty clueless about the whole genre of Indian music, though - the only one I'm vaguely familiar with is Krishna Das (but I know that I don't like the new-agey-type stuff, though, heavy metal, neither). Can anyone recommend some good music to practice to? I'd like to hear what your favorites are. <br><br>Namaste <br>amrita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Less is more - for me, at the moment, anyway.<br><br>I've been learning first series for a bit over four years now, but I certainly don't feel stuck. I still find it enjoyable and fascinating. There are things I can't do - i.e. pretty much anything involving padmasana, due to tight kness and hips - but they're coming, gradually.<br><br>A lot of the time in the past I've done the whole series, but with modifications or just very little depth in the asanas I can't do. Recently though - actually since going to Guruji's workshop in New York - I've cut right back to just doing the first half of the series, with a lot more depth of focus and more time in asanas I have difficulty with. I feel like I'm making more progress this way, and it's more interesting because I'm more present in what I'm doing, rather than thinking about skipping on to the next thing (next asana, OR next series).<br><br>I'd like to be able to do 2nd series, and maybe beyond, one day. And perhaps I will. But that isn't the "aim" of my practice. I'm enjoying doing what I'm doing now.<br><br>I also go to a Jivamukti class once a week. I do it because it's fun to go and play, not because I feel like I need a change from my astanga practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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