Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 wotcher mates!!! How ya doin? Anything exciting happened while I've been gone?<br><br>Had a brief look over the last couple of pages: still debating the purity issue eh? Big cheers (with a big glass of vino tinto) to Sunshine for keeping my end up so to speak. <br><br>And didn't you all get deep... death and abortion. I won't really get into this one except to say: <br><br>1. Homer - "the act itself is unjustified (at least in almost all circumstances)" - unless you've been there, which you haven't (because you are a bloke and whilst you can empathise you can't experience, no matter how close you are to the woman) you will never comprehend how insulting that statement is. Okay... so that's your opinion... if you tell me you're a woman and you've been faced with an unwanted pregnancy, and you've personally felt the pain and heartache, then your opinion counts. Been there? Have you? No, didn't think so. <br><br>2. Sunshine - your posting on this subject showed you for the compassionate human being you really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 << ...unless you've been there, which you haven't (because you are a bloke and whilst you can empathise you can't experience, no matter how close you are to the woman) you will never comprehend how insulting that statement is. Okay... so that's your opinion...if you tell me you're a woman and you've been faced with an unwanted pregnancy, and you've personally felt the pain and heartache, then your opinion counts. Been there? Have you? No, didn't think so. >><br><br>I don't understand why so many people think it's OK to be so rude to pro-lifers.<br><br>In my last post I vowed to say no more about abortion, but Blondie's got my gander up, so <br>I'll respond by applying her remarks to the death penalty (which started the whole thing anyway).<br><br>If Blondie is correct, then the question of whether or not convicted murders should be executed ought to be decided by those most intimately affected. In the absence of the victims, that would probably be the victims' immediate families -- others, though they can empathize, can't really experience the trauma itself.<br><br>Surely this is absurd! At any rate it would be frightful to live in a society in which the personhood of human beings could be decided on a case-by-case basis by some sort of vote.<br><br>I'm opposed to the death penalty on the grounds that, whatever characteristics of a human being make him/her a person (previously defined as a being with a strong right to life), those characteristics are internal and are not lost by the act of murder. That is, being a bad person doesn't make you a nonperson. If the family of a murder victim wants to execute a criminal, they can't use their pain as justification -- they have got to show why the murderer isn't a person anymore (and I don't think they'll be able to succeed in that project).<br><br>Nobody disrespects the family's pain. But in no circumstances should we be led by our sympathy to the notion that one being's personhood could ever be determined by another being's preferences.<br><br>Apply this line of reasoning to the abortion issue, and then maybe you'll come back with an honest argument for abortion. Up to now, Blondie, you have offered only sarcasm.<br><br>Peace and Good,<br>Homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 Yep, your response PROVES my point. You have no real experience of the abortion issue. <br>You can't apply your reasoning if you have to contemplate abortion. And you'd understand why that is so if you'd experienced an unwanted pregnancy.<br><br>But you haven't, have you? <br><br>So, it's just an opinion for you, innit, not heartfelt, not REAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 How can you know my heart? (when I scarcely know it myself)<br><br>The point, I think, is whether or not an opinion is correct, not whether or not it is "real" -- whatever that means.<br><br>Consider some atrocity committed in another country long before you were born: one which has not affected you in any tangible way. Your opinion that it was wrong may not be "heartfelt", but does that mean that that it is incorrect, or that if you choose to express it then your fellow ashtangi automatically get to dump on you?<br><br>Of course if you dismiss this post as not sufficiently heartfelt, then I suppose it will be of no use.<br><br>Peace and Good anyway,<br>Homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 No, the POINT is that you cannot speak from experience. It's not about whether an opinion is correct - an opinion is subjective.<br><br>My issue with you is that you feel able to make sweeping statements comparing abortion with foreign atrocities/murder etc etc, and you're just a bystander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 Welcome back. I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. How was L.A.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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