Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 How would you know, how could you tell, if someone has achieved Enlightenment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 How do we know then that "enlightenment" exist?<br> Enlightened beings talk about it, didn't they?And we are talking and hoping for "it" , somehow, all the time.<br> (Guruji answer once in Mysore that he did not know "enlightenment", and then he just mention scriptures. "stopping mind...many life times" he said. At least he doesn't play "guru". Neither Krishnamacharya claimed to know it).<br> The ones that talk about "enlightenment" said that no "one" can reach it. But this ones just repeat scriptures in a literal way or in a more creative form. Scriptures are very old, and they are only scriptures, it means that they could be fairy tales or a true statement of reality. We can believe in something or someone, but we don't know.<br> Yoga can be a "science", but it did not prove anything jet. And no one Astangi has show "signs" of enlightement neither. Astanga is good in many ways, no doubts about it. But it is just a practice with doubtfull goals surround it and all this "goals" stop us from seen things as they are ( from who or how is Guruji , to if to eat potatoes is good for practice or not).<br> I don't write this because I think myself smartest than anybody else, but because I recognice myself still very ignorant in the matter. If I'm very wrong I'd like to know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 I suppose one could use for an example the Bible and how some insist on taking it very literally, some conveniently 'omit' some information and embrace other information, and some look at the Bible as literature or mostly fairy tales - which - actually seem to address truth more than not. The quest to prove a scripture or a story to be true or false seems fruitless and is some other kind of practice than that of those who practice the principles of the scripture. Would a fairy tale be any less wonderful if it were proved to have never actually happened? All scriptures are invented by people. They are all make believe.<br>FBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 funkybadlady,<br><br>I think you should read the posts more carefully: alliscoming was talking about Samadhi, not about invented scriptures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Besides, Samadhi is not a fairy tale, it really exists. Samadhi literally means "absorption in the infinite". If you for a moment, when doing your ashtanga sequence, are able to stop thinking on things such as what you are going to eat for dinner say, or who will you meet in the aftertoon, just concentrating on keeping your eyes fixed on the drishtis, on your breath, on engaging the bandhas and on moving into and out of the postures instead, so that as a result you become completely absorbed in your practice, forgetting everything else around you - then you will get at least a glimpse of what Samadhi implies. Samadhi can be experienced every day in your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Wow. Thanks for sharing your infinite wisdom with us lowly, simple students. But that is so funny because I was not speaking of samadhi. I was speaking of fairy tales.<br><br>FBL<br><br>(By the way, you are still coming across as rather arrogant, but maybe that is what happens when one reaches such an exhaulted state such as yours) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 >From "arrogant pr*ck" to "rather arrogant"- now I guess I am making improvements after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 BTW, couldn't find the meaning of the word "exhaulted" anywhere - maybe it's a word invented by FBL HERSELF. But I take it as a compliment, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Spelling is not one of my talents, though I have many others to make up for it. I make a lot of things up to support my shaky ego. I am also a pathological liar and unstable borderline personality type. Some of the yoga fairies will also tell you that I am hostile. But I did my practice today so they tell me all is coming.<br>FBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 So I suppose we are pretty similar, after all: don't we both practise Ashtanga Yoga? So why are you always insulting me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Perhaps this is apropos. Where you see "Santa Claus," insert "Yoga Korunta,enlightenment," etc.:<br><br>Editorial Page, New York Sun, 1897<br><br> I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, "If you see it in The Sun, it's so." Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus?<br> Virginia O'Hanlon <br><br><br> Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a sceptical age. They do not believe except what they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge. <br><br> Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. <br><br> He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished. <br><br> Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world. <br><br> You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. <br><br> No Santa Claus? Thank God he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood. <br><br> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Also,<br><br>"Art is the lie which reveals the truth."<br> - Pablo Picasso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Besides, what I was posting about Samadhi are not my own insights at all; it's more or less taken from BKS Iyengar's "Tree of Yoga", which I am reading right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 No doubt all scriptures are invented by people and they are all make believe. But we can inquire them and take the best <br>Viswanath<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Dear V, <br>Absolutely. Always consulting.<br>FBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Only one enlightened will recognize an other enlightenedone. The practice of yoga; and meditation will take you there. Surat Shabd Yoga meditation: <a href=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0960037446/qid%3D982185224/sr%3D1-17\ /ref%3Dsc%5Fb%5F17/105-1581647-1686/105-1581647-1686342 target=new>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0960037446/qid%3D982185224/sr%\ 3D1-17/ref% 3Dsc%5Fb%5F17/105-1581647-1686/105-1581647-1686342</a><br><br>~best regards~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 Pithpang,<br>Is that like the way it happens with Martians? When I get there, who shall I say has sent me?<br><br>FBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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