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How do we know then that "enlightenment"

exist?<br> Enlightened beings talk about it, didn't they?And

we are talking and hoping for "it" , somehow, all

the time.<br> (Guruji answer once in Mysore that he

did not know "enlightenment", and then he just

mention scriptures. "stopping mind...many life times" he

said. At least he doesn't play "guru". Neither

Krishnamacharya claimed to know it).<br> The ones that talk about

"enlightenment" said that no "one" can reach it. But this ones

just repeat scriptures in a literal way or in a more

creative form. Scriptures are very old, and they are only

scriptures, it means that they could be fairy tales or a true

statement of reality. We can believe in something or

someone, but we don't know.<br> Yoga can be a "science",

but it did not prove anything jet. And no one Astangi

has show "signs" of enlightement neither. Astanga is

good in many ways, no doubts about it. But it is just

a practice with doubtfull goals surround it and all

this "goals" stop us from seen things as they are (

from who or how is Guruji , to if to eat potatoes is

good for practice or not).<br> I don't write this

because I think myself smartest than anybody else, but

because I recognice myself still very ignorant in the

matter. If I'm very wrong I'd like to know it.

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I suppose one could use for an example the Bible

and how some insist on taking it very literally, some

conveniently 'omit' some information and embrace other

information, and some look at the Bible as literature or

mostly fairy tales - which - actually seem to address

truth more than not. The quest to prove a scripture or

a story to be true or false seems fruitless and is

some other kind of practice than that of those who

practice the principles of the scripture. Would a fairy

tale be any less wonderful if it were proved to have

never actually happened? All scriptures are invented by

people. They are all make believe.<br>FBL

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Besides, Samadhi is not a fairy tale, it really

exists. Samadhi literally means "absorption in the

infinite". If you for a moment, when doing your ashtanga

sequence, are able to stop thinking on things such as what

you are going to eat for dinner say, or who will you

meet in the aftertoon, just concentrating on keeping

your eyes fixed on the drishtis, on your breath, on

engaging the bandhas and on moving into and out of the

postures instead, so that as a result you become

completely absorbed in your practice, forgetting everything

else around you - then you will get at least a glimpse

of what Samadhi implies. Samadhi can be experienced

every day in your life.

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Wow. Thanks for sharing your infinite wisdom with

us lowly, simple students. But that is so funny

because I was not speaking of samadhi. I was speaking of

fairy tales.<br><br>FBL<br><br>(By the way, you are

still coming across as rather arrogant, but maybe that

is what happens when one reaches such an exhaulted

state such as yours)

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Spelling is not one of my talents, though I have

many others to make up for it. I make a lot of things

up to support my shaky ego. I am also a pathological

liar and unstable borderline personality type. Some of

the yoga fairies will also tell you that I am

hostile. But I did my practice today so they tell me all

is coming.<br>FBL

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Perhaps this is apropos. Where you see "Santa

Claus," insert "Yoga Korunta,enlightenment,"

etc.:<br><br>Editorial Page, New York Sun, 1897<br><br> I am 8 years

old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa

Claus. Papa says, "If you see it in The Sun, it's so."

Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus?<br>

Virginia O'Hanlon <br><br><br> Virginia, your little

friends are wrong. They have been affected by the

skepticism of a sceptical age. They do not believe except

what they see. They think that nothing can be which is

not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds,

Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little.

In this great universe of ours, man is a mere

insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the

boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence

capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

<br><br> Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. <br><br>

He exists as certainly as love and generosity and

devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to

your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary

would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It

would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There

would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance

to make tolerable this existence. We should have no

enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light

with which childhood fills the world would be

extinguished. <br><br> Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as

well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa

to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on

Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not

see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove?

Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there

is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world

are those that neither children nor men can see. Did

you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course

not, but that's no proof that they are not there.

Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are

unseen and unseeable in the world. <br><br> You tear

apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise

inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world

which not the strongest man, nor even the united

strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could

tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance, can

push aside that curtain and view and picture the

supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah,

Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and

abiding. <br><br> No Santa Claus? Thank God he lives and

lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay

10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to

make glad the heart of childhood. <br><br> Merry

Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!!

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Only one enlightened will recognize an other

enlightenedone. The practice of yoga; and meditation will take

you there. Surat Shabd Yoga meditation:

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