Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 ....and straight men see everything through the filter of...???<br>FBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Ever read a Gay newspaper of NY or SF?<br><br>You'll see my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Time to let this one go, dude.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Who is holding on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 regularly. your point is still obscure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 don't wish to get into an off-topic gay/straight dialectic here, but share this information in the interest of satya, since the subject was brought up.<br><br>the gay newspapers in new york city at present are 'the blade' and 'lgny.' they are mostly concerned with the political reality of achieving equal rights. among other issues, they cover the effort to repeal laws blatantly discriminitory toward gay people, such as the gay-specific "sodomy" laws in texas and four other u.s. states, which mandate imprisonment of men for sleeping together while gay. their enforcement is supported by the current u.s. president. (thirteen other u.s. states have laws that make any sex act outside of penial/vaginal copulation illegal, whether engaged in by straights or gays.) <br><br>in certain fundamentalist religion-ruled countries (iran, for example) gay men and women are sentenced to death by stoning, dismemberment, burning at the stake and other medieval delights. there are reports that executing a virgin is against religious doctrine, so lesbians are first forced into a mock wedding and raped by their new "husbands," being further tortured and then killed only after enjoying this charming honeymoon.<br><br>far from being focused on gay sex, 'the blade' and 'lgny' address the problems encountered when certain of those outside the gay community define gay people through the prism of their own straight obsessions about gay sex. editorial staff and contributors at these newspapers seem to comprise as many gay women as men.<br><br>new york also has a magazine called 'hx', which started ten years ago as a pamphlet listing bars and clubs, and originally described itself unabashedly as 'the politically incorrect, totally biased party paper.' as such it was devoted to facilitating its readership in getting drunk and getting laid, pastimes the gay community certainly did not invent, and does not dominate, being such a small minority of the general population. though "fun city" stuff is still the emphasis of 'hx', it has evolved into a more well-rounded entertainment and cultural guide. they did a nice article about our yoga sessions for men, and regularly run features -- and sometimes whole issues -- about the health concerns of the gay community. (there is a clone of this magazine called 'next.') still, their emphasis is on entertainment. to judge by these magazines the dominant thoughts of all gay men would be tantamount to judging all straight men by 'penthouse' or 'time out.' might be right about some people some of the time, but probably not useful to generalize.<br><br>if truly interested in gay issues vis-a-vis yoga, here are a couple of links about our men's sessions (which, by the way, have never been restricted to gay men -- we never check for membership cards):<br><br><a href=http://members.nbci.com/omboy/92-wingwang.htm target=new>http://members.nbci.com/omboy/92-wingwang.htm</a><br><a href=http://members.nbci.com/omboy/81-hx.htm target=new>http://members.nbci.com/omboy/81-hx.htm</a><br><br>and here is an eclectic list of yoga links, many concerned with gay spirituality, indian/hindu gays, etc.:<br><br><a href=http://members.nbci.com/omboy/8-links.htm target=new>http://members.nbci.com/omboy/8-links.htm</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 Alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 Being a kind of armchair hack sociologist, I used to be fascinated with reading the gay newapapers of SF and NY. The men's pov, and the women's (which I saw as somewhat different and in some ways ironically exclusive of each other). The celebration of life and freedom in Gay community stands out vibrantly; the contributions to society by Gays is enormous. The tales of trying to fit in to a life dictated by parents and society is something I strongly sympathize with and I respect the courage of the Out, though some I see as more graceful in this than others. I also tend to think that Gay people in general are MORE interesting to talk with than your average straight. <br><br>Politically, I'm all for the idea of same sex partnerships getting the same gov rights and benefits as the heteros get. Beyond that, no more...no quotas for hiring, etc.<br><br>My view on AIDS: Sympathy for all who've suffered and died from it, but no respect for those involved with aspects of the propoganda campaign directed at straights that began in the early 90s. That is, the AIDS epidemic in this country overwhelmingly has its source in tainted needles and anal sex, contrary to what any special interest group has tried to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 and one more thing that probably obvious: though I respect gays, general references to anal sex I don't find cute or funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 Just anal sex or all kinds of sex??<br>PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 Are you thinking of running for some political office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 To maintain brahmacharya one may have sex only with one's lawful wife for the purpose of begetting good progeny. The Yoga Mala makes that clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2001 Report Share Posted March 23, 2001 I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 yoga mala is but one text. paths are many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 doesn't that make you anal-retentive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 I don't think that it matters at all for an astanga practitioner if you have sex only with your spouse (regardless of whether your marriage is gay or straight), or for the purpose of begetting good progeny only, or whether you stick to a set-down timetable if deciding when to go to bed whith someone else.<br><br>The state of your mind may be more important. Of course, if you lead a chaotic sexual life, you may never be capable of acquiring the inner peace & the discipline necessary to pursue and hold on a rigorous practice such as astanga yoga.<br><br>On the other hand, a regular astanga practice will teach you discipline; and by continually bringing your mind back to the rhythm of the ujjayi breath when doing the postures, your mind will be calmed & controlled, ultimately resulting in a control of the senses.<br><br>It's true that the course of true love never runs snooth. But at least, through a regular practice of astanga yoga, you may be able to gain more discipline, order & clarity in your sentimental affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 "The course of true love never runs smooth." An English phrase I found in my dictionary. Not "snooth". Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Your opinion makes me feel so much better, Shiny. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 >The course of true love never runs smooth." <br>>An English phrase I found in my dictionary. <br>>Not "snooth". Sorry! <br><br>Not to be the Grammar Police, but the correct usage is "smoothly." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 And when you get old, you can make up for it by coping feels with your young female students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 doubtful that when the yoga mala was written in 1958 there was any consideration of out gay men or women in committed relationships. you suggest that anyone with a homosexual orientation cannot choose the traditional householder path, but must remain celibate for life. or they could pretend to be hetero and marry the opposite gender and make "good progeny," an act in total conflict with most of the other yamas and niyamas.<br><br>padmanow makes sense. fundamentalists latch onto what appears to be one scriptural prohibition or another against a group they do not identify themselves with, and habitually fantasize and gossip about. this sets the stage for all sorts of confusion-based mischief, and the obliteration of the original spirit of the teaching. guess that's why there are people, organizations and governments loving god but harassing, persecuting, torturing and killing homos.<br><br>personally believe that brahmacharya is a useful, liberating path personally, but has to be chosen and experienced on one's own as part of a broader spiritual path. teachings are intended to guide one personally, not to empower those who would restrict the personal behaviors of others. <br><br>ironic to have been in ashram situations where gays are eyed stereotypically as priapic satyrs, but it is straight visitors rustling around in the bushes every night, treating their experience as an adult summer camp. (why would a gay man need to go all the way to an ashram to find sex?)<br><br>perhaps if the topic is a burning one to many, someone in touch with k. pattabhi jois might ask him directly his specific belief on the topic.<br><br>here's a fun article from 8/14/2000, with some critical words from the master himself regarding those who present his teachings with wrong intent: <br><br><a href=http://www.rebeccamead.com/2000_08_14_art_yoga.htm target=new>http://www.rebeccamead.com/2000_08_14_art_yoga.htm</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 Ha,Ha,Ha - bit of a give away that one ! I like your sense of humour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 madge got it down in nine words:<br><br>why should it matter who we choose to love <br><br>;O] no#23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 ah, but unfortunately someone will always respond, "because master tells me it matters," or "master tells me god tells him it matters." got to get all those gay yogis out of the shala and back into the bathhouses, or prison, where they belong. best rewrite or expunge the story of siva, agni and karttikeya. that lingam thing has got to go too, and all the calendar art of rama and hanuman embracing obviously must be burned. my indian friends tell me the brits were good at burning ancient yoga and ayurvedic texts, and imposing puritanical restrictions on indian society. the flavor of all that still lingers.<br><br>when i meet a sex-obsessed church lady, newly hindu around the edges, clucking over what boys are doing with each other, i just smile and say, "krishna don't care."<br><br>more importantly, happy you have adopted the generous-nosed emoticon. if he ever gives you any problems send him back to me, and i shall paddle his little bun-bun: (|). when will someone invent emoticon uprighting software that will rotate them 90 degrees?<br><br>;O]~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 I for one don't give a shit what you do. The queers on this board are so defensive.<br><br>I'm simply saying that according to KPJ, emission of vital fluid (semen, in your case) and brahmacharya don't go hand in hand. Or cock in hand. or cock in orifice.<br><br>If you're hellbent on becoming at one with the supreme brahmin you could try the ejaculation control that TLSlade speaks of. Or get a vasectomy and hump away. When you reach samadhi send me a postcard.<br><br>Why do I bother to write this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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