Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 It's fairly useless. Many people here refuse to believe that they need to moderate their behavior in any way. <br>That they will become great yogis while being completly under the control and dominion of the senses. They think oh I am a free tantric maha yogin! When in fact they are merely slaves addicted and deluded. <br> Hari Bol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 pity how stereotyping leads to vikalpa and viparyaya. i did not advocate a life of sensual abandon, nor a practice of fake tantra. i suggested as reasonable options for gay yogis either committed relationships or freely choosing celibacy. tls's thoughtful comments on taoist and tantric technique certainly are apropos if the paramount consideration is retention of semen.<br><br>before the path of brahmacharya was offered to me by effulgent example, i practiced retention of semen and energy during the sex act using techniques tls reffered to. i have seen the word brahmacharya translated/interpreted as "spiritual resolution of desire," a useful concept, as it acknowledges a process. what is sadhana, practice, but a process? no pop quizzes, no hoops set up by others for us to jump through, hundreds of billions of lifetimes to go, or no more at all, depending on our individual path.<br><br>whenever the word "gay" appears, verbal delusion and mental confusion explode in the minds of some with "issues." they don't consider the acts or words of an individual if he or she is gay, relying instead on erronerous preconceived notions.<br><br>perhaps, as you say, many people here do indeed refuse to believe they need to moderate their behavior in any way -- especially when it comes to that grand old yoga tradition of harshly judging others identified as different. oh yes how perfectly sattvic -- surely the quickest path to Self-realization. or like the previous writer, who thinks that brahmacharya (in others) is the most important yoga precept, while ahimsa can be tossed aside as long as the violent words are hurled in the direction of, as she so charmingly purrs, "queers."<br><br>the body and mind are illusion, projected by universal consciousness. we are everybody, everything in all places at all times. we are one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 ;O] - lovely emoticon and its almost me, daft smile, big nose, wonky eye. . . just lacks the medusa tresses. . .<br><br>on this subject of gay, well I think we should just go back to when gay meant happy and everybody just repressed their sexuality. never did any harm whatsoever to anybody. <br><br>mind you some of them are quite cute, and they always look so smart and well turned out, and they're often intelligent and sensitive and they. . . they. . . aaaaaarrrgggghhhhh they are just people and some people can be total twats and are the kind of folk i can only love from a distance no matter how much yoga i had for bereakfast and others i love them soooooo much. . .<br><br>retention of seamen, sounds interesting. . . send details. will they have those really tight bell bottoms on with nice little cap sleeve tshirts with their fags (ooops, that means cigarettes here) in the fold of the material across their gnarled bicep, the whole package happily contianed 'neath one of those jaunty caps. . . <br><br>required reading:<br><br>South Pacific - talk about caged heat<br>West Side Story - I feel pretty<br>The History of Sexuality, Volume 1 (Foucault)<br><br>oh god please no more. .. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 can i just repeat that pls:<br><br>the body and mind are illusion, projected by universal consciousness. we are everybody, everything in all places at all times. we are one.<br><br>thanks omboy<br><br>no#23 ;O] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 LMAO, in that way i have, whenever INNN23 free associates in the irony zone! love you, never change, stay forever, air kisses all around!<br><br>caged heat! stephen sondheim! michel foucault!<br><br>keep away from her!<br>send for chino!<br>this is not the ma-<br>ree-a we-e-e know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Om Boyeee- You really are not a hero spoksman for the beleagered queer nation, but just a hypocrite hiding behind a lot of yoga terminology. If you're so out and free why can't you just say you want midnight sex with boys instead of couching it in a lot of bullshit. One thousand air kisses between you and #23 can be BLOWN some where else maharaj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 You really can't play the poor persecuted little thing here omboy. After all no one here would even know anything about your sexuality if you didn't put it out there every two minutes. NO ONE CARES what you do. I don't think you should be beaten bloody because you're gay but because you are a pretentious bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Right, Stand up and be a boy about it sweet thang! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 om namah sivaya. satya, my friend, absolute truth, is not threatened by your outburst of fiction. i say what i want and mean from experience and observation. have had lots of sex in my life, at midnight and at other times. like breathing. don't live in a time or place where that has ever required obfuscation. only encounter harsh judgment of that in clubs, where anonymous heroes hurl unimaginative invective. sorry if you have been abused by ignorance in this life. hopefully your yoga practice will one day clear your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Oh dear. This conversation is really pushing some buttons isn't it? Nothing like anonymity to get people's true feelings about homos out. For those of you who claim neutrality (not to care) toward homos, or who purport to only be talking about yogic principles--come back to read your posts sometime in the future. Perhaps then you will see that the ill will and righteousness expressed in some of them is way out of proportion to the subject at hand. I had a great art teacher once that when talking on the subject of art criticism frequently reminded us that in a review you will often learn more about the person critiquing a piece of art than you will about the actual piece itself. That is happening here too--here we are supposedly talking about yoga and some tangents, and folks are actually laying their prejudices bare on the board. I can only say this because I have some prejudices of my own, who doesn't . I only hope some learning comes of this conversation. <br>I for one really don't care what your sexual orientation is omboy, and or whether or not you post about it. (and, for the record I recognize that you have never used this forum as a "Hi I'm Omboy and and I'm gay, sit back and let me talk about it for a while" club. On gay studies topics it seems to me like you've just told us about your chick-free classes for guys of any sexual orientation and responded to other peoples queries. further evidence that we are learning more about the critics) Anyway, some of your posts have really helped my practice, I just hope that you will stick around and keep writing and include whatever you think is relevant. I appreciate your frequent references to the yoga sutras and your ability to bring a tangent back around to YOGA. I have wanted to thank you many a time before, so please pretend that I did so prior to and independantly of this gay men? thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 <<<<<You really can't play the poor persecuted little thing here omboy.>>>>><br><br>looks like *somebody* needs a hug. i am neither poor nor persecuted. never claimed to be. deliciously rich and blissful, thank you. and how are you?<br><br><<<<<After all no one here would even know anything about your sexuality if you didn't put it out there every two minutes.>>>>><br><br>ah yes, the traditional "that's your private business and if only you did not tell anybody you would not have a problem" argument. reality check -- nobody here would know ANYTHING about anybody else here if they did not express it. what else is on the forbidden list of personal attributes so i don't commit such an egregious faux pas again?<br><br><<<<<NO ONE CARES what you do.>>>>><br><br>you weren't paying attention. anti-gay sentiments were expressed here gratuitously, with typical hate speech. the claim was made that yoga philosophy, like the catholic church, orthodox judaism, and christian and muslim fundamentalism forbids anyone with a same-gender orientation from ever being physically intimate with the person of their choice. seems many care a great deal what i and others do with our naughty bits, including you apparently. silly me -- i read the upanishads and see us all described as divine consciousness. perhaps one day the king james version will be discovered with the revised mahavakya: "tat twam asi ... unless you lie with mankind as with womankind."<br><br><<<<<I don't think you should be beaten bloody because you're gay but because you are a pretentious bore.>>>>><br><br>uh-huh. another proud, happy, contented heterosexual showing us miserable fags the joyous gender-discordant life we are missing. with such fascinating and original sentiments too! did not know this was the "ashtanga yoga -- pugnacious heteros only" club, but now that i do i shall surely get with the program.<br><br>suppose it had to happen sooner or later, that the trendy proliferation of yoga would bring in the young republicans and the rush limbaugh devotees. it's all good -- except that the blue blazer and baggy khakis don't do much for those childbearing hips, bubba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 the air where you live must be fresh, clear and crisp. oxygen filled. perpetually infused with bright morning sunlight. thanks for sharing it.<br><br>re the issue you so eloquently addressed:<br><br>my understanding of raja yoga, of which ashtanga is a part, is that it is a science. yamas and niyamas and the other limbs are not so much moral codes as ingredients or test tubes. brahmacharya is but one element we might use to alter the constitution of the body, mind, senses, i.e., our entire manifestation, so that we may transcend our mistaken self-identification with illusion. vairagya, dispassion or detachment, and viveka, discrimination between reality and illusion, are most useful tools. throwing some western concept of moral censure into it clouds the mixture, creating more obstacles, more veils of ignorance.<br><br>thich nhat hanh has said of buddhism that its spread to the west necessitates much cosmetic transformation to accommodate western culture. doesn't change the essential nature of its teachings.<br><br>same with yoga, vedanta, hinduism. we have western phenomena: sticky mats, new age celebrity, plumbing, the bible, media, interest-bearing accounts, calvin klein, petit-bourgeois dynasties, 20-year-old hollywood royalty, etc., but all of that is still illusory. doesn't change the essential nature of existence, nor prevent the science of yoga or philosophy of the vedas from helping us each find our personal understanding of true reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 "suppose it had to happen sooner or later, that the trendy proliferation of yoga would bring in the young republicans and the rush limbaugh devotees. its all good--- except that the blue blazer and baggy khakis don't do much for those childbearing hips, bubba."<br><br>whoops we don't like women too much do we now? No I'll leave the cute outfits to you sugar. I just love the one on your profile page!!! in that precious purple asana shot with the spotlight effect smashing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Ah go easy on him, those clothes are all they let him take when they kicked him out of Val Morin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 my apologies, thought you were a man. the blue blazer/khaki pants outfit over wide hips is emblematic of the rush limbaugh young republican male following, and your words were reminiscent of their usual line.<br><br>if you'd provided a picture, or a name, or anything in your profile at all, i might not have made the error. will endeavor to keep track of all the anonymous gay-hating screen names and the genders they claim to be from now on. and their favorite colors, desserts, boxers or briefs, k-mart or target ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 yes -- watch for the miniseries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Of course "childbearing hips" is always used to refer to a man. You need more than a picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 yes, as banter among young republican types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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