Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 om namah sivaya!<br><br>agree with previous posts expressing that brahmacharya is really complete self-control, not just control of sexual desire. focusing on celibacy alone and then imposing it, that is, not arriving at it through spiritual resolution of desire, is nothing more than repression, creating more obstacles than it could possibly dissolve. sexual repression has more to do with sado-masochism, bondage & discipline, even slavery, than a yearning for liberation through union with our pure eternal Self.<br><br>the yamas and niyamas may be reminiscent of the biblical ten commandments -- but they are not the same. abstentions and observances, elements of the science of yoga, are far different from laws to be obeyed under pain of eternal torture. there is no hindu deity telling us exactly how we must engage our genitals. no stories of the attempted gang rape of emissaries from ishwara. no annointed preachers epistling on the hideous punishment awaiting those who jones for their own sex. all the lovely, divine archetypes of the hindu pantheon smiling in their lotus gardens far surpass that grumpy old man in the clouds any day, both in natural appeal and in common sense.<br><br>since this discussion was *spawned* within the context of anti-gay stereotyping, it is useful to address the common karmic circumstances of those whose desire for physical and emotional intimacy is directed toward others of the same gender. love and intimacy give us hints of the absolute bliss possible through our yoga practice. an intimate mate can support us on our spiritual path and teach us the rudimentaries of selflessness. gays should not experience this? observing satya and santosha, it would seem it is best to accept the truth of being gay and to be content with it, yes? in worldly terms it is a karmic consequence of ambiguous quality -- mostly very good, sometimes very bad. we project ourselves here in that form and accrue the accompanying names, including the sweet music of karinnesq's "queer" sobriquet, to learn from an analogous experience of the effects of our past actions.<br><br>it serves no one to acquiesce quietly to unjust laws, persecution, harassment. those who would focus on the perceived lack of brahmacharya (as celibacy) in others are like those who focus on the "thy willies shall not be stiff" bits in the bible, to the exclusion of everything else. fascists prove time and time again they believe they have no self-control, and so are obsessed with controlling the rest of the world, convinced that others are as wayward as they fear themselves to be. they could never begin to understand the first inkling of brahmacharya, complete control of the individual self.<br><br>to reiterate, i practice celibacy but would not think to say others must emulate me, or that because i find my practice liberating i am a length ahead in some imagined race for samadhi-as-checkered-flag. it is part of my esoteric path at present as that path gets cobbled together bit by bit, lifetime by lifetime. it has little to do with the ways found by other aspirants, or what other self-described aspirants think my priorities should be. so what, really.<br><br>cont'd>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Om, midnight_omboy, Blessed Self<br><br>Why do you keep trying in this club and others to introduce homosexuality into discussions? If you can't accept your sexual preferencese why bring them into discussions. If you think others don't accept homosexuality you will be mistaken most of the time unless you are in the midst of a bunch of so-called fundamentalists from any of the world's religions. If that is the case, who cares what any of them think.<br><br> In the context of Brahamacharya, it makes no difference whether the sexual expression involves same sex or other sex partners. If you avail yourself of sexual activity in any form, you will not attain Self-Realization. It is just that simple and unequivocal.<br><br>If this is an unpleasant or unacceptable fact for you or any of the others who have posted similar objections or reservations, then just resign yourself to postponing Self-Realization to future lifetime. We all get there sooner or later.<br><br>There is nothing more to be said on this subject. It is useless to argue or debate against wilful ignorance.Spend the time to walk the walk and everything will become self-evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 <<<<<Om, midnight_omboy, Blessed Self>>>>><br><br>good start, but ....<br><br><<<<<Why do you keep trying in this club and others to introduce homosexuality into discussions?>>>>><br><br>innuendo and out the other. i have responded to a topic introduced vociferously by others and continued by you. your fundamentalistic, negative judgment of gay men vis-a-vis brahmacharya is of course going to elicit a response in a public forum, but as the baiting was deliberate that was to be expected. two questions: 1) in which "other" clubs have i supposedly offended you by speaking honestly, and 2) since you and others wish to discuss homosexual activity and brahmacharya, why should not anyone add their opinions? this is not your living room, ottawa, nor kansas. more things in heaven and earth than are drempt of in your philosophies it seems.<br><br><<<<<If you can't accept your sexual preferencese why bring them into discussions.>>>>><br><br>don't even try that foolishness. all my straight boyfriends find me most tolerant, happily accepting of everybody, even me li'l ol' small "S" self. you seem awfully confused. my friend newly moved to ottawa tells me your winters are rough and your city a little stiff. may the spring thaw visit you soon in many ways. <br><br><<<<<If you think others don't accept homosexuality you will be mistaken most of the time unless you are in the midst of a bunch of so-called fundamentalists from any of the world's religions. If that is the case, who cares what any of them think.>>>>><br><br>in real life i am surrounded by intelligent, peaceful people -- in my work, on the subway, etc. online i get to meet many in parts of the world less sensitized. in this club you and others have shown a boundless enthusiasm for mundane gay baiting, of the kind considered passe' for at least thirty years on every level of society. guess everybody needs a hobby.<br><br><<<<<In the context of Brahamacharya, it makes no difference whether the sexual expression involves same sex or other sex partners.>>>>><br><br>in the context of satya, continually misrepresenting what others say will always create obstacles. in the context of ahimsa adding fuel to a climate of intolerance will never bring peace. i could go on, but you get the idea.<br><br><<<<<If you avail yourself of sexual activity in any form, you will not attain Self-Realization.>>>>><br><br>issuing mahavakyas now, eh? what it is the one thing that must be present for a teacher to teach? didn't notice anyone prostrating asking to be your disciple.<br><br><<<<<It is just that simple and unequivocal.>>>>><br><br>ah, the search is over! another mystery solved!<br><br><<<<<If this is an unpleasant or unacceptable fact for you or any of the others who have posted similar objections or reservations, then just resign yourself to postponing Self-Realization to future lifetime. We all get there sooner or later.>>>>><br><br>your penchant for big fibs will send you to dog & cat heaven at best. you consistently write as if i have said something other than what i have said. but you knew that. satya is a lovely thing. omprem is a lovely name -- love and the manifestation of divine consciousness. may it inspire you.<br><br><<<<<There is nothing more to be said on this subject.>>>>><br><br>so sayeth the anonymous screen name highly pissed off by mention of anything gay, who has just let loose with a string of misrepresentative and innuendo-laden partheon shots.<br><br><<<<<It is useless to argue or debate against wilful ignorance.>>>>><br><br>zzzzzz ... uh, wha'?<br><br><<<<<Spend the time to walk the walk and everything will become self-evident.>>>>><br><br>one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 cont'd>>>>><br><br><<<<<Spend the time to walk the walk and everything will become self-evident.>>>>><br><br>one can only imagine what you imagine my walk to be. one thing's for sure: you sure can type the type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 <<If this is an unpleasant or unacceptable fact for you or any of the others who have posted similar objections or reservations, then just resign yourself to postponing Self-Realization to future lifetime. We all get there sooner or later.>><br><br>Why would a 'self-realized' being imagine past and future lives? They are probably a delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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