Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 i must ask again that any comments you direct toward me be in the context of the topic of this club. you have already established your personal disapproval of your fantasy of me. we can move on now. may you one day enjoy a yoga practice that brings you peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Omboy<br><br>I was discussing your rajas and tamas on this club and your pseudo sattva on your own club. Sounds quite germaine to me.<br><br>But I'm glad to see that you are making an effort toward sattva here as well. Keep up the good work.<br><br>Om and Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 to reiterate yet again: if you must address me directly here please limit your comments to the topic of this club.<br><br>you have established your support of gay bashers and shown your own proclivity for gay baiting. nobody really cares, and nobody really is interested in how you might misrepresent and discredit. but it does create something of a nuisance here that you keep it up.<br><br>a yoga practice would alleviate the need for this waste of a human form -- so difficult to come by. you really ought to give yoga a try. don't believe those who tell you the devil will steal your soul while you meditate. you can still be a good devout christian while practicing yoga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Omboy<br><br>Hmm. Let's see now. Rajas, tamas and sattva. Aren't they called gunas? Oh yes, now I remember, the gunas, along with past karmas, and the senses produce the kleshas, the obstacles to Self-Realization. <br><br>The five kleshas, if I'm not mistaken, are avidya or ignorance (but you would know all about that one), then asmita or ego (another obstacle you are very familiar with), followed by raga-dvesha or attraction-repulsion (the two guiding forces of your life) and the last one, is I believe, abhinivesa or fear. Now, this last one is interesting because it seems to ooze out of every thought, emotion and breath that you take.<br><br>This is an ashtanga yoga club and according to T.K.V. Desikachar, "...the recognition and conquest of avidya and its effects [i.e. the other four kleshas] is the only ladder by which we can climb upward." Because the kleshas arise, in part, from the gunas, the gunas, then are an important field of inquiry in ashtanga yoga. And this message board is a proper place to discuss them.<br><br>All I am doing is inquirying into the very strange phenomenom of how your gunas seem to operate -- one way (pseudo-sattva) on your own site (with time outs for commercial breaks) and a totally different way (tamas-rajas) on this site. Curious.<br><br>I also find your colourful displays of avidya and asmita to be on the same magnitude as the Aurora Borealis, Northern Lights -- in a word, awesome.<br><br>Of course, if you think that Desikachar is wrong about the kleshas and gunas, then you might have a point. But that is another story.<br><br>So, I sign off with a piece of advise for you from Ralph Waldo Emerson:<br><br>"Make the most of your Self, <br>for that is all there is to you."<br><br><br>Om and Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 omboy--<br><br>this is getting ridiculous! no one is bashing you and yet you still, everyday, write a message that says to address you only in the context of the club! NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING TO PROVOKE THAT MESSAGE EVERY DAY. stop already! geez!<br><br>lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 we all tired of the gay baiting and harrassment long ago. continue as you wish, couched in whatever verbiage you think will serve your political agenda, whoever you are.<br><br>may your devout christianity one day bring you peace, and the ability to tolerate the different spiritual paths of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 so, anything about yoga you'd like to discuss with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Talking about spirituality without knowing what that means ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Why should we discuss something about yoga with someone who doesn't know anything about it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Omboy<br><br>Reread the posts, I have stated that I am not a Christian. Do you have anything in your mind other than being anti-Christian or feeling persecuted and harrassed or trying to make a buck out of your naked yoga project? Anything at all?<br><br>I'm still interested in how you can control your gunas so well -- dumping all your tamas and rajas here and saving your sattva for making a buck. Please tell us the secret. We long for such control over the gunas. A major step toward Self-Realization.Have you written a book about it?<br><br>By the way, I notice that most of your stream-of-consciousness (if one could truly call that 'consciousness') posts are done in the early hours of the morning --midnight to 3 or 4 am. Is that because you haven't come down from the uppers yet? Are your posts just so many nerve twitches?<br><br> Many of us are concerned about your health --physical and mental --and I was wondering if drug use had anything to do with your confusion and paranoia. There are some excellent places in Chelsea that could provide counselling for you. I would be pleased to give you a referral or two if you like.<br><br>Om and Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 please be good enough to limit any comments addressed to me here to the topic of this club. again, you have already established your support of those who seek to bait and harrass gay people, and to disrupt with misinformation a community whose members wish to discuss yoga. we all get the idea. move on please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 if that is your concern it would be better not to direct your comments, off-topic and otherwise, toward those whose opinions you do not value. baiting, harrassing and misrepresenting people because their race, religion or sexual orientation causes personal anxiety is not the purpose of this message board.<br><br>of course, we have no idea who you are beyond a screen name born on april 10 in the midst of the attacks on gay people, and that you seem to have appeared specifically to add to that effort. may your chosen faith one day bring you peace. you might try yoga -- the breathing alone will do wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Omboy<br><br>You have been offered many suggestions by many people, all offered in the spirit of helping you. The suggestions have included doing more meditation, actually reading the posts that you respond to, learning more about yoga/vedanta, learning more about the purpose of this club, seeking professional help, shutting up, controlling your gunas in a more balanced way, responding to posts in a more honest and less manipulative way, not using posts to further your personal agenda, overcoming fear, doing less drugs and (my personal favourite) changing the metal foil in your hat. You chosen none of these.<br><br>Perhaps the best advice, when put in a more palatable way, is simply to practice mouna and so learn to curb your tongue, your thoughts and your passions. Mouna is its own reward.<br><br>You seem to be running out of things to say anyway as your comments are, one by one, exposed for their error. You are reduced to repeating yourself endlessly in a childish attempt to have the last word. The next step would appear to be to simply stop talking and therefore stop repeating yourself. You have already made a fool out of yourself. But through mouna you can redeem yourself.<br><br>That is the last advice I am prepared to give you at the moment, so if you are determined to continue to make a fool of yourself just continue to post. If you want to redeem yourself, practice mouna for a while and then post on another thread. We'll all be watching your progress or lack thereof.<br><br>Om and Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 patanjali's ashtanga proves its worth more and more each day. what beautiful karma we share to be born when and where this knowledge is available to us. let us use this forum to celebrate and converse about that gift to the world. <br><br>re your last off-topic message: to parrot the advice others have given you may give you momentary satifaction. a yoga practice following the ashtanga would help you to give up seeing any value in harrassing and discrediting others, and generally misinforming the public.<br> <br>but you will find that out. whether behind your shroud of anonymity you are a christian fundamentalist fanatic or not doesn't matter -- your effort to pass yourself off as a yoga authority has brought you at least a nodding acquaintance with the vedas, the gita, the sutras, and a perfunctory knowledge of different styles. (don't skim over your "cliff's notes" too quickly though, or you'll again have to try to convince us that the hundreds of postures available to a sivananda practictioner are really only twelve.)<br><br>even if your intent is to confuse, your attention on what is good will lead you to do good. it is inevitable. there is a path of yoga that starts with hating god -- this negative focus on the divine is a focus nonetheless. reality is what it is -- all that is. try as you might, you cannot change that, but you will learn that too one day in some lifetime. may your chosen path bring you peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Ombore,<br>In the context of this club, get over yourself.<br>In the context of this club, and in respect for the barrage of comments by other members of this club, please refrain from responding.<br>In the context of this club, I thank you in advance.<br><br>Everyone else,<br>My apologies for this shamefully non-yogic banter. What can I say, i'm still a warrior...and I'm SOOOO tired of this battle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 may you one day find a yoga practice that brings you peace, and the ability to discriminate dispassionately between reality and illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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