Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 <From a nutritional point of view.. it can be damaging to omit all meat products, due to the fact there are essential components that have to be supplied to our diet, as they cannot be synthesised by the body. Linoleic Acid, from animal fats... for one><br><br>OK, Jon, I said would look into linoleic acid, here's what I found. Linoleic acid is one of the essential fatty acids. The other two, arachidonic and linolenic, can be made by the body as long as sufficient linoleic is supplied. These fatty acids are important for all kinds of things in the body.<br><br>As far as having to eat meat to get linoleic acid, here is a quote from Diet for a New America by John Robbins:<br><br>"Ironically, one of the arguments put forth by the meat,dairy, and egg industries to justify consumption of saturated fats is that 'fats contain essential nutrients'. In fact, the only nutrient we must get from fats is linoleic acid, and animal fats are very poor sources. One tablespoon of safflower oil, for example, provides as much linoleic acid as a cup and a half of butter, and more than two whole cups of beef fat."<br><br>So there goes that one.<br><br>I have not read it, but Diet for a New America is one of the best books on vegetarianism. The best book on the subject that I have read is Radical Vegetarianism by Mark Matthew Braunstein.<br><br>I am not so strict with my diet and sometimes eat some meat. And vegetarians do need to make sure they get enough of certain nutrients, like protein, and B12, but its not that hard to do, especially if you don't cut out dairy and eggs. I think yogurt is good. The Ashtanga world is one place where you can probably find quite a few super-healthy, strong humans who have been vegetarians for a long time. I do know of some.<br><br>There are some natural super-food supplements that can be useful - spirulina and bee pollen are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 "I have not read it, but Diet for a New America is one of the best books on vegetarianism."<br>-- "TLSLADE"<br>the "Betty Crocker" of yoga book shills.<br><br>I bet you can also tell us where to BUY the best book you've NEVER read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 Jayadev, where are you coming from with this?<br><br>And don't come back with any "who's Jayadev?", everyone figured this out long ago. (Well maybe not everyone - Jayadev is Midnight_Omboy, who has been posting here under several different identities, mainly to mount a multi-pronged attack on Omprem, since he "left" the club in msg #7986). <br><br>I was also puzzled by your previous similar attack on me (post 8487) under your "nandilove" identity.<br><br>I am not selling anything. I owned a bookstore briefly when I was 18, but I don't sell books anymore. Perhaps I will change my mind someday, but for now I earn money with manual labor.<br><br>Your attacks are particularly strange since you also have a website which happens to have a list of recommended yoga books: <a href=http://members.nbci.com/omboy/2-menu.htm target=new>http://members.nbci.com/omboy/2-menu.htm</a><br>Except that you make money from your Amazon links (which is fine). Its also interesting that you say this is partly to help defray the cost of running your website, even though it is on a free server. For those who need or want it explained, I even put up a web page just to explain how Amazon's referral program works:<br><a href=http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/amazlink.htm target=new>http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/amazlink.htm</a><br>I make no money from linking to Amazon! I also explain on my yoga books page that I don't participate in that program because I don't want to have to listen to comments like yours. I'm not "in it for the money". Why is that hard to understand? I like books. Information is valuable, sometimes life-saving. Since I happen to have checked into and obtained a ton of yoga books, I am happy to share some info on what is available. I have links to various sources since some books are hard to find. I have links to Amazon since you can read other people's reviews and they are a good company to deal with. I don't have any "marketing arrangements" with anyone. To be completely open about it, I have recieved one or two books or videos from authors, but this did not affect my listing or comments at all. My list of yoga books is large, but there are no books on it that I don't REALLY recommend. And if my efforts result in more SALES for authors or publishers - that's GREAT! Let's keep the yoga info moving. And though I make no money from it, I can admit that perhaps my website is just a big ego trip. Why am I sitting here in front of this machine?<br><br>I can quite confidently recommend John Robbins' book as one of the very best books to read on vegetarianism even though I have not read it cover to cover. I do have a copy of it and as you might deduce, I found it quite useful in researching the linoleic acid issue. I think of my book collection mainly as a reference library. I have a ton of books on food and diet and there are many I would recommend, depending on the situation. (And for anyone really interested in the subject, Radical Vegetarianism is a TOTALLY AWESOME book! And I have read it! AND I would suggest reading more about it at Amazon.com and even ordering it from them, unless you have another preference.) <br><br>I found some of your posts to be very interesting before the IMHO scandal happened here. And I was even on your side through most of the "debates" arising from that. In the interest of free speech, sure if you have things to say here go ahead, hopefully they will pertain to the study of yoga rather than attacking club members. If you don't want to post under your true identity anymore, that's OK too. It is strange though, after you lectured everyone else for using "anonymous screen names".<br><br>If you choose to hang around here, I hope you will discontinue the multiple identity thing. And I hope you will be nice to everyone.<br><br>You seem very intelligent and well-studied in yoga. Please use your talents to help and not harm!<br><br>Really though, man - peace.<br><br>I mean really - peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Yeah, but you still recommended the best book you've NEVER read. Kind of takes a LOT of explaining, doesn't it?<br><br>So I went to the website of the person you say I am. There one can link to a page where there are books for sale from Amazon.com. One has to make the choice and the effort to go to where books are going to be hawked. Why do you find that objectionable?<br><br>How is that the same as your brand of guerrilla marketing at a message board, where you pose as a disinterested consumer recommending several books in every message you post? As others have pointed out here, your good buddy Omprem, though on a smaller scale, also pretends to be a disinterested consumer recommending that people go to the yoga studio in Canada where he teaches fake Ashtanga yoga classes. Nice to see you two have joined forces to discredit what you identify as the common enemy of commercial opportunism. Sorry, though, your conclusions as to my identity are as off as your moral senses.<br><br>Yes, I take issue with your marketing practices. You say you make no money from tirelessly selling books here and elsewhere on the web day after day. Unlikely, but how could we ever know that? <br>I also take issue with Omprem's unbridled expressions of contempt for Hindus and African Americans and that guy in New York who wouldn't let Omprem into his naked yoga class, thus incurring his eternal mediocre wrath. Guess you find that sort of harrassment perfectly fine.<br><br>By the way, the passive/aggressive peace and love yoga schmoga motif in your epic length posting was a nice touch. You girls in marketing really DO think of everything!! (Too bad the CEO keeps all the money while you sweat away daily in an ugly little cubicle.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2001 Report Share Posted July 28, 2001 Relax, Sunfun, I am also one of the many imagined heads of Omprem's dreaded naked New York yoga bogeyman.<br><br>At first I thought Omprem stalked me because I just had a baby. Then he started attacking people for being Hindu, Black, etc. so I guess we could all fit in there somewhere. Now I find it was all a matter of 1) when I joined the club, and 2) my taking exception to Omprem's endless expressions of bigotry.<br><br>Looks like he's been busy convincing the gullible of his paranoic fanatasies through an arduous email campaign. Ew, with all that sitting at the computer what a fat pimply sweaty Canadian ass he must have!<br><br>The target of all this hatred must be quite powerful. He appears to have abandoned this club long ago yet lives on in the wayward mind fluctuations of the confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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