Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Here's a translation of a "Sanskrit Chant" from the Jivamukti website.<br><br>==================================================<br>Om<br>Guru Brahma<br>Guru Vishnu<br>Guru Devo Maheshwara<br>Guru Sak Shat<br>Param Brahma<br>Tash Mayi Shri Guruvay Namaha<br>Tash Mayi Shri Guruvay Namaha <br><br>Our creation is that Guru,<br>The duration of our lives is that Guru,<br>Our trials and the death of the body is that Guru, <br>There is a Guru that is near by,<br>And a Guru that is beyond the beyond. <br>I offer all of my efforts to the Guru... <br>=================================================<br><br>Chock full of lies. Wonder what else they say to mislead the public. Hmmm.<br><br>I've also witnessed many Yoga centers use the word 'chant' as a secular word. Truth is, they are pushing religious prayer and dharma [aka Dogma]. Not that there is anything wrong with it when done openly, but their sneaky attempts at proselytization contradict the very truth they try to propagate. <br><br>Deceipt at it's highest form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 >Chock full of lies. <br>>Deceipt....<br><br>I am familiar with that mantra and take it to mean the total opposite of what you seem to attribute to it’s meaning. Also it is a very old mantra that extends far beyond Jivamukiti or anyone else’s appropriation.<br><br>This mantra is a meditation on where one finds their guru, or teacher. and what we learn from that teacher. The subtext of this mantra points out that your teachers are everywhere you look rather than in just one person.<br><br><br><br>Guru Brahma<br>-what we learn from being born<br><br>Guru Vishnu<br>-what we learn as we live our lives<br><br>Guru Devo Maheshwara<br>-what we learn from sickness and death<br><br>Guru Sak Shat<br>-what we learn from those around us<br><br>Param Brahma<br>-what we learn from the realization that there is infinite knowlege and we cannot begin to grasp it all.<br><br>Tash Mayi Shri Guruvay Namaha<br>-a dedication of efforts to all of the teachers listed above.<br><br><br><br>All in all, it seems to be rather anti-dogma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Wrong again. You are either misled, misleading, naive, misinformed or plain untruthful. <br><br>Translate the texts and learn the real truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 ""You are either misled, misleading, naive, misinformed or plain untruthful. ""<br><br>tiber? kinda f@@@'g doubt it. he's consistently been one of the more even keeled, informed and helpful people who post here. <br><br>maybe it would be helpful for you to post your version of the "truthful" interpretation of this mantra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 no, you're wrong. and you're stupid. and nobody likes you. and your butt is big and your butt stinks and you're a big butthead. so there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 first of all jivamukti is not using that chant in a "sneaky" manner. they're pretty open about their dogmatism. if you don't like what they are preaching you can walk out. secondly how many of you forget that jivamukti sparked your interest in yoga in the first place. granted they aren't perfect and i'm not really happy with the latest events but when you look at the contribution they've made to yoga in the west it is kind of amazing. i'm sure eddie stern is a great teacher but i bet half his students started at jivamukti. they'd never have made it to eddie's door without jivamukti. who cares if traffic only goes in one direction. at least it is going. someone has got to start the car and jivamukti has done that for many. they also get so much criticism for starting their own style. how many other studios haven't. why aren't people dogging OM Yoga. it's a nice studio but it is basically altered ashtanga. why this obsession with jivamukti. and why so much hatred. there's a lot of things westerners just don't know about the yoga system which is vast and jivamukti does educate their students. they do get you thinking about yoga beyond asana and its physical aspects. and who cares if the jivamukti style dies with sharon and david? what about anusara yoga, om yoga, power yoga, etc. etc.? something will linger from all of these actually. the last one with all the toys doesn't necessarily win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Yes it is true that many have been introduced to yoga through Jivamukti. However everything Jivamukti does is sneaky. The reason why this message board is critical of them is they always said they were an Ashtanga school. Even when Pattabhi Jois first came to NY and taught a workshop there, both Sharon and David told him it was an Ashtanga school. That is the reason for the criticism. OM yoga is what it is. If you think it has some Ashtanga influence, it probably does, and it also has other influences like Iyengar and many more. <br>Now as far as the alleged "spiritual teachings" at Jivamukti. The teaching there is how not to be a human being and not be spiritual. All the talk, talk, talk, is never followed by either Sharon or David. This everyone knows from their actions. The teachers there are nice people but how confusing to them and to the students when those two clowns talk about topics of divine happiness when they constantly cause pain. <br>Do yourself a favor,clk0893, and look beyond the purple walls, the statues, and Sharon and David's Indian dress up and look at the activities. Spirituality is not spoken, it is lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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