Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Brianna- If what you are doing is helping another person to become the best that they can be, then by all means just keep doing it. There are so many more important things in this world to be concerned with then who thinks you are or are not qualified to teach. If you have been certified by P. Jois then lucky you and if not, then just say you teach ashtanga, but are not certified. I know many people who do Ashtanga and will probably never be lucky enough to go to India and study long enough to be certified. Does that mean that they don't have anything to offer to others, I doubt that. Just remember to indicate clearly what your qualifications are and you will be fine. Margee > > backbayyoga [sMTP:no_reply] > Monday, September 30, 2002 9:47 AM > ashtanga yoga > ashtanga yoga Re: Digest Number 190 > > you have to remember that this is the internet. some people feel that > they can say whatever they want on here. some use it as a place to be > hostile and lash out as they can not expresses themselves up front to > people in their real life. do not take it personally at all. take > everything on the internet with a grain of salt and you will be fine. > and smile! > > ashtangayoga, "S Sharma" <sasmdr@r...> wrote: > > Dear Brianna, > > > > It is clear that no one can judge the ability of a teacher from a > > picture. > > > > If your ashtanga teachers are certified by Pattabi Jois , you need > > no more certification from anyone - for that matter nor do they. > > > > Cheers ! Have a nice Suryanamaskar. > > Sam > > > > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 ashtangayoga wrote : > > >------------------------ Sponsor > > > > > > > > >ashtangayoga- > > > > > > > > >- > ----- > > > > > >There is 1 message in this issue. > > > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > > > 1. Re: Digest Number 189 > > > Brianna Politzer Stevens > > ><brianna@e...> > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 1 > > > Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:11:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > Brianna Politzer Stevens <brianna@e...> > > >Re: Digest Number 189 > > > > > > > > >I am truly amazed (and saddened) that this group is still > > >discussing the pictures of the instructors on the website for my > > >studio. > > >I snapped those pics 10 minutes before class . . and I told them > > >that they all needed to be in vertical positions so that the > > >animation would have all pictures of the same size and shape. > > >Can you psychics really tell how long a person has practiced by > > >looking at a 2-second picture of them? If so, your powers are > > >better than mine . . . when I hire people I actually have to > > >INTERVIEW them first and WATCH them practice! > > >Besides which, I'm not sure where you guys got the idea that we > > >are an ashtanga studio, because we are not! We hold two Ashtanga > > >classes per week. Our Ashtanga teachers (and no you cannot tell > > >a bloody thing by looking at my picturea . . .geez! ) are very > > >qualified . .. all are certified in Ashtanga/Vinyasa Flow yoga, > > >have practiced for many years, and are wonderful instructors. > > >They are practicing wtih P. Jois today. Most of the teachers you > > >see on the site are hatha teachers. > > >Anyway, I definitely feel as though I should from > > >this group. I have no need to receive such hostile emails . . .. > > >You have not welcomed me into your community (with a couple of > > >exceptions of gentler folks who came to my defense after the > > >harsh commentary) .. . . in fact, I find this community more > > >uncomfortable than the offices I used to work in, with all the > > >conservative folks in suits walking around. > > >I do not see ahimsa practiced here. > > >I see some very insecure, judgmental people who have a need to > > >rank people and categorize them as to how yogic they believe they > > >are (based on insufficient information and almost no detail at > > >all) . . . . It's like high school! Am I cool enough? Guess > > >not. > > >Anyway . . . I wish you all the best of luck . . . and to those > > >of you who do not share these egotistical tendencies, I > > >congratulate you. > > >And just to restate my original point . . . . it's not about the > > >asana. It's obvious from some of the commentary that there are > > >many instructors out there who are excellent athletes on the mat, > > >but limit their pratice of yoga to the mat . . . very > > >disappointing, indeed. You would definitely not find a job at my > > >studio! > > >To the rest of you . . . tons of love and namaste. I know you > > >are the majority out there . . . and so I stay optimistic. > > >Cheers. > > > > > > > > >ashtangayoga- > > > > > > > > >- > ----- > > > > > >There are 4 messages in this issue. > > > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > > >1. Re: ! > > > "tinazym" > > >2. Boston Ashtangis Drop in for Manju Jois this weekend! > > > backbayyoga > > >3. Yoga Conference in New York, Oct 17. > > > "yogalita" > > >4. Re: ! > > > "logan8erry" > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 1 > > >Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:46:01 -0000 > > > "tinazym" > > >Re: ! > > > > > >$6,000 fee. > > >TZ > > > > > >ashtangayoga, funkybadlady wrote: > > > > $5000 fee. > > > > > > > > FBL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 2 > > >Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:30:23 -0000 > > > backbayyoga > > >Boston Ashtangis Drop in for Manju Jois this weekend! > > > > > >Hi! Some of you may be coming already, but if you are not, we > > >have > > >some space open for drop ins on a first come, first serve basis. > > >You > > >need to arrive 15 minutes before the scheduled time to > > >register. > > >Please visit <http://www.backbayyoga.com> for details. > > > > > >Namaste, > > >Lynne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 3 > > >Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:12:46 -0000 > > > "yogalita" > > >Yoga Conference in New York, Oct 17. > > > > > >hi fellow yoginis, any of you attending the NY yoga conference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 4 > > >Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:15:31 -0000 > > > "logan8erry" > > >Re: ! > > > > > >these are just pictures, where does it say anywhere that they > > >are > > >pictures of these women doing practice? how do you know they > > >werent > > >told how to stand by some non-yoga web photo taking person? > > > > > > > > >-- In ashtangayoga, funkybadlady wrote: > > > > It is obvious that neither one of these women are doing > > > > ashtanga yoga. Neither "pose" is part of ashtanga except the > > > > second one I think is from fourth series but she is doing it > > > > incorrectly and from the looks of the way she is doing the > > >pose I > > > > highly doubt that she is able to do fourth series and if she > > >was, I > > > > would probably know her because there are only a few women > > > > doing fourth series. Also the "tree" pose is a baby version > > >of > > > > ardhabaddhapadmottasana and is never done in Ashtanga. So > > > > you can tell quite a bit from the photos. One would hope that > > >if a > > > > person says they are a teacher that they can do a pose > > >correctly, > > > > especially if they choose the picture to be on the first page > > >of > > > > their website. > > > > > > > > I think it is safe to say that anyone who knows primary > > >series > > > > from a qualified teacher would probably be able to teach > > >these > > > > girls a thing or two. That is what I can tell from these > > >pictures. > > > > For me? There is no way I would give these women my money > > > > to teach me. I would probably ask them if they would like a > > > > teacher who can teach Beginning Ashtanga correctly and I > > >would > > > > offer my services. They look, to me, like they could use > > >some > > > > help. > > > > > > > > FBL > > > > > > > > > > > > ashtangayoga, "logan8erry" wrote: > > > > > senor_pinche!...i visited the link you pasted and looked on > > >the > > > > whole > > > > > site for the teachers you suggested should be working on > > >their > > > > own > > > > > practices...then i realised.... you made this judgement from > > >the > > > > > single images that flash by on the home page!!!!! > > > > > how can you tell ANYTHING from this? > > > > > maybe you to could use a little humbling. > > > > > > > > > > ashtangayoga, senor_pinche_wey > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Brianna, > > > > > > > > > > > > Judging by the website for your school > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.eden-yoga.com/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like the teachers there should be working on > > >their > > > > own > > > > > > practices a bit more. Ashtanga is hard work and requires > > > > > discipline > > > > > > and dedication. The "if it feels good do it" school of > > >thought > > > > > > dooesn't really apply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your definition of your ashtanga power yoga class > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ashtanga/Power Yoga: This vigorous, aerobic style of > > >yoga > > > > is > > > > > > characterized by a specific sequence of flowing poses, > > >with > > > > little > > > > > or > > > > > > no rest in between. Class begins with several rounds of > > > > classical > > > > > > Sun Salutations, followed by the Ashtanga "primary series" > > >of > > > > > poses. > > > > > > Students should have knowledge of the basic yoga poses > > >to > > > > > > participate." > > > > > > > > > > > > is a little bit narrow. The teacher, Amanda Kelso does > > >not > > > > appear > > > > > to > > > > > > be qualified. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why throw in the word "ashtanga" when you are really > > > > teaching a > > > > > > vinayas a flow class. I hope you take the opportunity to > > >study > > > > > with > > > > > > Guruji when he is in San Francisco next week. It should be > > >a > > > > > > humbling and enlightening experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ole! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashtangayoga, Brianna Politzer Stevens < > > > > brianna@e...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, and namaste! > > > > > > > I just joined this group and am amazed at the discussion > > >. . > > > > . I > > > > > > own a small yoga studio where we teach many styles, > > > > > > including "Ashtanga/Vinyasa Flow Yoga" which is, what I > > > > believe you > > > > > > are all discussing when you say "Ashtanga" yoga . . (but > > >as > > > > folks > > > > > > have said here, "Ashtanga" is really a misnomer, being > > >the > > > > name for > > > > > > the entire eight-limbed path of yoga . . . seven limbs > > >of > > >which > > > > > have > > > > > > nothing to do with asana, the primary series, or P. > > >Jois). > > > > > > > I just wanted to remind you all of something . .. It's > > >not > > > > > really > > > > > > about the asanas . . . The asanas are a tool to bring you > > >to > > >a > > > > > > higher level . . . . nothing more. And, in fact, hatha > > >yoga > > >(any > > > > > > yoga involving movement) was developed with the specific > > > > goal of > > > > > > preparing and training the body and the mind for > > >meditation. I > > > > was > > > > > > taught that the goal of yoga was to go inward, allow the > > >spirit > > > > to > > > > > > emerge, and become one's own teacher. The poses you do > > > > and the > > > > > order > > > > > > you do them in, I believe, is practically irrelevant. As > > >long > > >as > > > > > your > > > > > > students are tuning into their breath and slowly opening > > >their > > > > > minds > > > > > > to a new way of thinking, they are doing yoga, and you > > >have > > > > done > > > > > your > > > > > > job as a teacher. > > > > > > > I know that yoga has changed dramatically since its > > > > creation over > > > > > > 5,000 years ago . . . would you say that the yoga done by > > >the > > > > > > ancients was not proper or correct? Of course not. Also, > > > > there > > > > > have > > > > > > been many yogis (Gandhi, for example) who have never > > > > practiced > > > > > asana. > > > > > > > Do what feels good to you and your students, and > > >you're > > > > doing the > > > > > > right thing . . . whether it's "pure" or not . . . once > > >you > > >open > > > > > the > > > > > > door, the light starts to come pouring in! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "First say to yourself what you would be; and then do > > >what > > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > to do." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Epictetus, Greek philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you > > >have to do." > > > > > >--Epictetus, Greek philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > for books about india <http://www.geocities.com/saslekh> > > > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > Terms of Service > <>. 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