Guest guest Posted October 5, 2002 Report Share Posted October 5, 2002 Those who sincerely practice Yoga should study & observe the first two steps upon the Ashtanga 'ladder' .. yama & niyama. To do so means not being bound by any doctrine, theory or ideology - even Yogic ones. Yoga offers guides .. not absolute truths. Nor is Yoga without change. As Yogins we should learn & practice non- attachment from views in order to be open & receive other 'viewpoints'. Truth is part of life, it is more than conceptual knowledge. At all times we should continue to learn & observe reality within ourselves, equally as in the world at all times. Nor should we by force or threat, by authority or propaganda, seek to make others adhere to our view. Compassionate dialogue is the means by which fanaticism & narrowness are renounced. Suffering exists in the world. We must be awake to the suffering around us. As such, we should not accumulate wealth while millions are hungry. Fame, profit, wealth & sensual pleasure are not the aims of life. Yogins should live simply, sharing their time & energy - equally with their material resources - with those who are in need. Anger & hatred should not be maintained. While they are still seeds, we must seek to transform them in our consciousness. If they have sprouted, we must place our attention on them - to understand their nature. Remember, minduflness is found in prana. Come back to your 'baby' breath - SOHAM HAMSA. This is to be in touch with the wondrous joy of All. Harsh words create discord & cause the community to break. Speaking words that cause division & hatred, criticizing & condemning, are not constructive. We should always seek to speak truthfully & compassionately. When others speak harshly, have the courage to speak out. When we speak out against injustice - even making ourselves a target - we bring great blessing & strength into our lives. "Fight without malice." - Mahatma Gandhi. Yoga - in any capacity - is not a means for personal profit or politics. As a spiritual path, Yoga should make a clear stand against oppression & injustice while striving to change the situation without engaging in partisan conflict. Afterall, Yoga should help us realize our ideal of compassion. We should not own or possess anything - with ownership comes being owned. In the same vein, we should strive to prevent others from profiting from human & species suffering. Additionally, we should not mistreat our body. Hathayog is a means to handle it with respect. Om Shanti ... Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 So you "know" the yoga way, eh? Who are you and what makes you think you are going to set us all straight? My truth is that I find your posts pedantic and sanctimonious. Thanks for sharing and don't give out advice that you aren't using yourself. I find it difficult to believe that you live the way you tell everyone here to live. It is easy to quote scripture and difficult to live with humility and acceptance. Also, it is clear that you do not teach ashtanga yoga as taught by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois. So let's be upfront about that shall we? FBL ashtangayoga, "Shakti Lalita" <Yogini_Shakti> wrote: > Those who sincerely practice Yoga should study & observe the first > two steps upon the Ashtanga 'ladder' .. yama & niyama. To do so > means not being bound by any doctrine, theory or ideology - even > Yogic ones. Yoga offers guides .. not absolute truths. > > Nor is Yoga without change. As Yogins we should learn & practice non- > attachment from views in order to be open & receive > other 'viewpoints'. Truth is part of life, it is more than > conceptual knowledge. > > At all times we should continue to learn & observe reality within > ourselves, equally as in the world at all times. Nor should we by > force or threat, by authority or propaganda, seek to make others > adhere to our view. Compassionate dialogue is the means by which > fanaticism & narrowness are renounced. > > Suffering exists in the world. We must be awake to the suffering > around us. As such, we should not accumulate wealth while millions > are hungry. Fame, profit, wealth & sensual pleasure are not the aims > of life. Yogins should live simply, sharing their time & energy - > equally with their material resources - with those who are in need. > > Anger & hatred should not be maintained. While they are still seeds, > we must seek to transform them in our consciousness. If they have > sprouted, we must place our attention on them - to understand their > nature. Remember, minduflness is found in prana. Come back to > your 'baby' breath - SOHAM HAMSA. This is to be in touch with the > wondrous joy of All. > > Harsh words create discord & cause the community to break. Speaking > words that cause division & hatred, criticizing & condemning, are not > constructive. We should always seek to speak truthfully & > compassionately. When others speak harshly, have the courage to > speak out. When we speak out against injustice - even making > ourselves a target - we bring great blessing & strength into our > lives. "Fight without malice." - Mahatma Gandhi. > > Yoga - in any capacity - is not a means for personal profit or > politics. As a spiritual path, Yoga should make a clear stand > against oppression & injustice while striving to change the situation > without engaging in partisan conflict. Afterall, Yoga should help us > realize our ideal of compassion. > > We should not own or possess anything - with ownership comes being > owned. In the same vein, we should strive to prevent others from > profiting from human & species suffering. Additionally, we should > not mistreat our body. Hathayog is a means to handle it with respect. > > Om Shanti ... > Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 I enjoyed what you wrote. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "We should not own or possess anything - with ownership comes being owned?" Are we not supposed to drive (we own cars), wear clothes (we own clothes) or are there specific categories of ownership you are speaking of? Namaste ashtangayoga, "Shakti Lalita" <Yogini_Shakti> wrote: > Those who sincerely practice Yoga should study & observe the first > two steps upon the Ashtanga 'ladder' .. yama & niyama. To do so > means not being bound by any doctrine, theory or ideology - even > Yogic ones. Yoga offers guides .. not absolute truths. > > Nor is Yoga without change. As Yogins we should learn & practice non- > attachment from views in order to be open & receive > other 'viewpoints'. Truth is part of life, it is more than > conceptual knowledge. > > At all times we should continue to learn & observe reality within > ourselves, equally as in the world at all times. Nor should we by > force or threat, by authority or propaganda, seek to make others > adhere to our view. Compassionate dialogue is the means by which > fanaticism & narrowness are renounced. > > Suffering exists in the world. We must be awake to the suffering > around us. As such, we should not accumulate wealth while millions > are hungry. Fame, profit, wealth & sensual pleasure are not the aims > of life. Yogins should live simply, sharing their time & energy - > equally with their material resources - with those who are in need. > > Anger & hatred should not be maintained. While they are still seeds, > we must seek to transform them in our consciousness. If they have > sprouted, we must place our attention on them - to understand their > nature. Remember, minduflness is found in prana. Come back to > your 'baby' breath - SOHAM HAMSA. This is to be in touch with the > wondrous joy of All. > > Harsh words create discord & cause the community to break. Speaking > words that cause division & hatred, criticizing & condemning, are not > constructive. We should always seek to speak truthfully & > compassionately. When others speak harshly, have the courage to > speak out. When we speak out against injustice - even making > ourselves a target - we bring great blessing & strength into our > lives. "Fight without malice." - Mahatma Gandhi. > > Yoga - in any capacity - is not a means for personal profit or > politics. As a spiritual path, Yoga should make a clear stand > against oppression & injustice while striving to change the situation > without engaging in partisan conflict. Afterall, Yoga should help us > realize our ideal of compassion. > > We should not own or possess anything - with ownership comes being > owned. In the same vein, we should strive to prevent others from > profiting from human & species suffering. Additionally, we should > not mistreat our body. Hathayog is a means to handle it with respect. > > Om Shanti ... > Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 beantownyogi wrote [[Can you elaborate on what you mean by "We should not own or possess anything - with ownership comes being owned?" Are we not supposed to drive (we own cars), wear clothes (we own clothes) or are there specific categories of ownership you are speaking of?]] ** There are two categories here. The first is vishaya-tyaga. This is to renounce all objects. This is what sannyasins do. They own nothing. Not even the clothes they wear. For the everyday Yogi there is sanga-tyaga. This is to renounce attachment to objects. We may own a car (or any object for example), but we are not the car. Nor is that vehicle the source of our happiness. By not owning or possessing we free ourselves from egoism, subconscious inclinations, mine-ness, desires & cravings. These are obstacles on the path to liberation. Om Shanti ... Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 > > ashtangayoga, "Shakti Lalita" <Yogini_Shakti> > wrote: > > Those who sincerely practice Yoga should study & observe the > first ... [etc etc] Part of the beauty of the praqctice is that it's all there... no need to encounter shoulds and should-nots. Do not aspire to tell people how they should behave, act or communicate. Respect people's respective paths. Personally, I almost lost my breakfast by your post- but I'll spare everyone the quotes and blurbs supporting MY position as to why I find Yoginishakti's posts irritating and self-righteous. Just practice. H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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