RE: ashtanga yoga yoga and the sexes...../yoga and climbing

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jon an Margee,

 

Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question and

get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an internet

group because of the anomimity it gave me, forgetting

that my full name comes up first thing on the "to"

line, Oops!

 

It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last few

class have expanded to include members of the opposite

sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

eclectic and intesting group of people with an amazing

amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

though some great friendships will come of it. That is

just the thing I thought missing before, so perhaps

the process just takes time and familiarity.

 

I have also heard the comment from girls that the

guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt to be

PC, respect space, and not look around the *slightest*

bit.

so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

 

Changing the subject: Something else that I found

out about my new yoga friends is the fact that about

80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant number of

girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by the

way. I actually started Yoga to develop core strength

and flexibility to help me climb, and it has worked as

expected. Although now, I spend twice as long doing

Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken over.

Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it isn't

so good climb hard every day--you will hurt yourself.

Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

namaste, Lawrence.

 

--- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart wrote:

> Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47" (ouch), I

> have to tell you that I

> get a kick out watching the sexes "observe" each

> other during and before

> classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have met

> the most wonderful

> younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes who were

> mad about their

> practices and were just so real and genuine and not

> looking to pickup at

> that time. It was through those times of just

> hanging before class or a bit

> after that we all came to know each other and I came

> to realize how

> wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married or 20

> years younger, I would

> be honored to date any one of them. Time is your

> greatest ally and when you

> relax and let your light shine, people can't help

> but want to be around you

> and with you.

>

> don't feel bad though, my daughter is 25 and

> beautiful and she complains of

> the same thing, only from the female perspective!

> Margee

>

> >

> > jbrrr510 [sMTP:jbrrr510]

> > Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:34 PM

> > ashtanga yoga

> > Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the

> sexes....

> >

> > Lawrence... your not alone...

> >

> > For a long time I've felt the same "don't talk to

> me" vibe from the

> > attractive yoga-gals in my classes, and I to have

> noticed they all

> > seem much more comfortable chatting with anyone

> out of their age

> > range. The twenty something women are always

> happy to chat with the

> > charismatic 50 year old guys. While conversely

> the older women and

> > teenage girls are always happy to chat with me

> about yoga, offering

> > and asking for advice etc...

> >

> > Here are my recommendations:

> > 1)Let go of your desire

> > Seriously, don't go looking for a date. No

> really... don't go

> > looking for a date. Whether you realize it or

> not, your probably

> > putting out a "Hi baby what's your sign vibe", and

> few women are

> > going to be receptive to any approach until you

> tune it out. You'll

> > be better received if you approach anyone and

> everyone in a plutonic

> > and friendly manner.

> > 2)Find a friend

> > Women in your class will be much more comfortable

> talking to you if

> > you are already talking with other women from your

> class. Start off

> > by approaching the married women. Even if you

> come of as a little

> > flirtatious, they'll probably be more flattered

> then offended. On

> > the one hand, it'll show the other women in your

> class that you are

> > not there just to score a date and that your a

> "friendly guy", and

> > the other you might even make a friend.

> > 3)Be patient

> > All thing in time... right? Get to know them...

> then ask them out

> > because you like chatting with them, not because

> you like their

> > asanas.

> >

> > BTW, a note for the single women yogis out

> there... my advice, most

> > guys (like myself and probably Lawrence) are over

> cautious

> > about "respecting" your "space" in the yoga studio

> / gym. So if your

> > interested, flirt overtly.

> >

> > One last note while I'm on my soap box... This

> western/American

> > society seems to have had the lesson "Don't talk

> to strangers"

> > engrained far to strongly in their minds. We're

> all in this yoga

> > thing together so make some friends. Just say

> "hi" for Shiva's

> > sake...

> >

> > Namaste,

> > jon

> >

> > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > Thanks Betty,

> > >

> > > Well that does make sense, it is the vibe that i

> pick

> > > up on...and it is a shame the world has to be

> that

> > > way.

> > >

> > > There is one lady in my class, 30 years my

> senior, who

> > > is a real pleasure to be around; friendly,

> casual,

> > > enthusiastic about her practice. When you bring

> your

> > > mat into a crowded room, its nice to see

> somebody you

> > > know and like. We always share a few

> pleasantries

> > > before class and after. I guess when you take

> sexual

> > > tension out the equation, people can relate like

> that.

> > >

> > >

> > > It seems so strange and unnatural to me to see

> the

> > > same people in class a couple times a week for

> months

> > > and never acknowledge them. Like never talking

> to

> > > your neighbors. Especially when you are all

> sharing

> > > something so uplifting as Yoga; to not be able

> to

> > > share it with those around you is an unhappy

> feeling.

> > >

> > >

> > > Perhaps Yoga *is* solitary, and I miss the

> point...

> > >

> > > Or, perhaps Yoga bring brings out emotions and

> makes

> > > people more sensitve...

> > >

> > > At least the men in my class, are chatty and

> friendly,

> > > so I don't feel isolated. We are now in the

> habbit of

> > > going out for a drink afterward, which I look

> forward

> > > to. Though I'm not sure about beer as a method

> to

> > > re-hydrate yourelf! It's nice to have some

> people to

> > > talk to about Yoga, my non-Yoga friends sort of

> > > tolerate my talking about the subject only out

> of

> > > politeness. I tell them to slap me if I say

> Yoga too

> > > much

> > >

> > > So, sorry if this is long winded or self

> indulgent, I

> > > find the discussion of male/female social

> behavior

> > > interesting, and of course, confusing.

> > >

> > > But perhaps I can send a message to the girls in

> Yoga

> > > class; the men who are there to 'prey' on women

> get

> > > weeded out in the beginner classes pretty

> fast-there

> > > are easier ways to 'prey' than doing Ashtaga

> Yoga!

> > > The guys who stick with it and develop serious

> > > practices are there for the Yoga, and from the

> sample

> > > group I've met, are super people worth getting

> to

> > > know.

> > >

> > > Cheers, LR.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- betty@a... wrote:

> > > > Forwarded message below from ru_daft

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One thing that you might be running into with

> the

> > > > women in your class is

>

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Lawrence: I'm also a rock climber -I agree that yoga

(especially Ashtanga) enhances strength, flexiblity

and endurance, all of which are essential for rock

climbing. I've found my yoga practice definitely

improves my rock climbing.

If you've never climbed in Krabbi, Thailand (huge

limestone cliffs above a deep blue ocean) you should

definitely give it a try. My favourite place!

Kind Regards,

Maureen

--- lawrence romanosky <lromanosky wrote:

> Thanks Jon an Margee,

>

> Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question and

> get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an internet

> group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> forgetting

> that my full name comes up first thing on the "to"

> line, Oops!

>

> It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last few

> class have expanded to include members of the

> opposite

> sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

> eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> amazing

> amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

> though some great friendships will come of it. That

> is

> just the thing I thought missing before, so perhaps

> the process just takes time and familiarity.

>

> I have also heard the comment from girls that the

> guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt to be

> PC, respect space, and not look around the

> *slightest*

> bit.

> so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

>

> Changing the subject: Something else that I found

> out about my new yoga friends is the fact that about

> 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant number of

> girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by the

> way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> strength

> and flexibility to help me climb, and it has worked

> as

> expected. Although now, I spend twice as long doing

> Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken over.

> Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it

> isn't

> so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> yourself.

> Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

> namaste, Lawrence.

>

> --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart wrote:

> > Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47" (ouch), I

> > have to tell you that I

> > get a kick out watching the sexes "observe" each

> > other during and before

> > classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have met

> > the most wonderful

> > younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes who

> were

> > mad about their

> > practices and were just so real and genuine and

> not

> > looking to pickup at

> > that time. It was through those times of just

> > hanging before class or a bit

> > after that we all came to know each other and I

> came

> > to realize how

> > wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married or

> 20

> > years younger, I would

> > be honored to date any one of them. Time is your

> > greatest ally and when you

> > relax and let your light shine, people can't help

> > but want to be around you

> > and with you.

> >

> > don't feel bad though, my daughter is 25 and

> > beautiful and she complains of

> > the same thing, only from the female perspective!

> > Margee

> >

> > >

> > > jbrrr510 [sMTP:jbrrr510]

> > > Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:34 PM

> > > ashtanga yoga

> > > Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the

> > sexes....

> > >

> > > Lawrence... your not alone...

> > >

> > > For a long time I've felt the same "don't talk

> to

> > me" vibe from the

> > > attractive yoga-gals in my classes, and I to

> have

> > noticed they all

> > > seem much more comfortable chatting with anyone

> > out of their age

> > > range. The twenty something women are always

> > happy to chat with the

> > > charismatic 50 year old guys. While conversely

> > the older women and

> > > teenage girls are always happy to chat with me

> > about yoga, offering

> > > and asking for advice etc...

> > >

> > > Here are my recommendations:

> > > 1)Let go of your desire

> > > Seriously, don't go looking for a date. No

> > really... don't go

> > > looking for a date. Whether you realize it or

> > not, your probably

> > > putting out a "Hi baby what's your sign vibe",

> and

> > few women are

> > > going to be receptive to any approach until you

> > tune it out. You'll

> > > be better received if you approach anyone and

> > everyone in a plutonic

> > > and friendly manner.

> > > 2)Find a friend

> > > Women in your class will be much more

> comfortable

> > talking to you if

> > > you are already talking with other women from

> your

> > class. Start off

> > > by approaching the married women. Even if you

> > come of as a little

> > > flirtatious, they'll probably be more flattered

> > then offended. On

> > > the one hand, it'll show the other women in your

> > class that you are

> > > not there just to score a date and that your a

> > "friendly guy", and

> > > the other you might even make a friend.

> > > 3)Be patient

> > > All thing in time... right? Get to know them...

>

> > then ask them out

> > > because you like chatting with them, not because

> > you like their

> > > asanas.

> > >

> > > BTW, a note for the single women yogis out

> > there... my advice, most

> > > guys (like myself and probably Lawrence) are

> over

> > cautious

> > > about "respecting" your "space" in the yoga

> studio

> > / gym. So if your

> > > interested, flirt overtly.

> > >

> > > One last note while I'm on my soap box... This

> > western/American

> > > society seems to have had the lesson "Don't talk

> > to strangers"

> > > engrained far to strongly in their minds. We're

> > all in this yoga

> > > thing together so make some friends. Just say

> > "hi" for Shiva's

> > > sake...

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > > jon

> > >

> > > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> > <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > > Thanks Betty,

> > > >

> > > > Well that does make sense, it is the vibe that

> i

> > pick

> > > > up on...and it is a shame the world has to be

> > that

> > > > way.

> > > >

> > > > There is one lady in my class, 30 years my

> > senior, who

> > > > is a real pleasure to be around; friendly,

> > casual,

> > > > enthusiastic about her practice. When you

> bring

> > your

> > > > mat into a crowded room, its nice to see

> > somebody you

> > > > know and like. We always share a few

> > pleasantries

> > > > before class and after. I guess when you take

> > sexual

> > > > tension out the equation, people can relate

> like

> > that.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It seems so strange and unnatural to me to see

> > the

> > > > same people in class a couple times a week for

> > months

> > > > and never acknowledge them. Like never

> talking

> > to

> > > > your neighbors. Especially when you are all

>

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ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor and laughing out

loud...

 

Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the alias.

 

I too have noticed the abundance of people who cross between the two

pastimes (yoga and climbing).

 

I'm sure the links between the two have been discussed here before,

but please allow me to add my two cents and say how similar in they

are as well, They both link mind and body through movement. The

mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very similar to the mental

focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact that they are both

highly complementary athletically is just a bonus. My climbing/yoga

balance is close to 60/40 although it does varies. Without question

Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing while at the same time

providing a great cardio workout that keeps the few extra pounds

off. For those that don't climb, most serious climbers worry more

about their weight than Olympic gymnasts. Logically every ounce that

hangs off one's fingers makes a significant difference both in terms

of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as well as in terms of

endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means you save 5 lbs of

effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a single pitch, which on

a long climb makes a huge difference).

 

I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both genders though. There

are a number of women from my yoga classes that I see occasionally at

the climbing gym.

 

Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of places to visit. I've

heard wonderful things about it from both climbers and non-climbers.

I have a climber friend there right now in fact and I'm NOT looking

forward to hearing her stories when she returns. It's never a good

thing for my career... The problem is I can't justify (or afford)

to take a couple months of work at the moment, as I have a mortgage

payment... nor do I want to just go for a week as I'd love to see

Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it seems silly to fly

half way around the world for weeks vacation. Of course the reality

is that I should just be honest with myself and sell my house and

quit my job before I go, since I know I won't want to come back

anyway...

 

FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead by local yoga

instructors here in Southern California that include rock climbing.

The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree National Park, which

is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

 

Peace,

jon

 

ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky <lromanosky> wrote:

> Thanks Jon an Margee,

>

> Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question and

> get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an internet

> group because of the anomimity it gave me, forgetting

> that my full name comes up first thing on the "to"

> line, Oops!

>

> It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last few

> class have expanded to include members of the opposite

> sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

> eclectic and intesting group of people with an amazing

> amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

> though some great friendships will come of it. That is

> just the thing I thought missing before, so perhaps

> the process just takes time and familiarity.

>

> I have also heard the comment from girls that the

> guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt to be

> PC, respect space, and not look around the *slightest*

> bit.

> so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

>

> Changing the subject: Something else that I found

> out about my new yoga friends is the fact that about

> 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant number of

> girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by the

> way. I actually started Yoga to develop core strength

> and flexibility to help me climb, and it has worked as

> expected. Although now, I spend twice as long doing

> Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken over.

> Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it isn't

> so good climb hard every day--you will hurt yourself.

> Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

> namaste, Lawrence.

>

> --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47" (ouch), I

> > have to tell you that I

> > get a kick out watching the sexes "observe" each

> > other during and before

> > classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have met

> > the most wonderful

> > younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes who were

> > mad about their

> > practices and were just so real and genuine and not

> > looking to pickup at

> > that time. It was through those times of just

> > hanging before class or a bit

> > after that we all came to know each other and I came

> > to realize how

> > wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married or 20

> > years younger, I would

> > be honored to date any one of them. Time is your

> > greatest ally and when you

> > relax and let your light shine, people can't help

> > but want to be around you

> > and with you.

> >

> > don't feel bad though, my daughter is 25 and

> > beautiful and she complains of

> > the same thing, only from the female perspective!

> > Margee

[Guest guest]

Well sure enough, I went to the climbing gym yesterday

and there was a guy with a Krabi (one b?) shirt on,

turns out a friend of his went and he is trying to get

there too...what do you figure; 3 or 4 degrees of

separation between all of us?

Cheers, Lawrence.

 

 

--- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510 wrote:

> ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor and

> laughing out

> loud...

>

> Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the

> alias.

>

> I too have noticed the abundance of people who cross

> between the two

> pastimes (yoga and climbing).

>

> I'm sure the links between the two have been

> discussed here before,

> but please allow me to add my two cents and say how

> similar in they

> are as well, They both link mind and body through

> movement. The

> mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> similar to the mental

> focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact that

> they are both

> highly complementary athletically is just a bonus.

> My climbing/yoga

> balance is close to 60/40 although it does varies.

> Without question

> Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing while

> at the same time

> providing a great cardio workout that keeps the few

> extra pounds

> off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> climbers worry more

> about their weight than Olympic gymnasts. Logically

> every ounce that

> hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> difference both in terms

> of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as well

> as in terms of

> endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means you

> save 5 lbs of

> effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> single pitch, which on

> a long climb makes a huge difference).

>

> I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> genders though. There

> are a number of women from my yoga classes that I

> see occasionally at

> the climbing gym.

>

> Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of places to

> visit. I've

> heard wonderful things about it from both climbers

> and non-climbers.

> I have a climber friend there right now in fact and

> I'm NOT looking

> forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

> It's never a good

> thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> justify (or afford)

> to take a couple months of work at the moment, as I

> have a mortgage

> payment... nor do I want to just go for a week as

> I'd love to see

> Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it seems

> silly to fly

> half way around the world for weeks vacation. Of

> course the reality

> is that I should just be honest with myself and sell

> my house and

> quit my job before I go, since I know I won't want

> to come back

> anyway...

>

> FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead by

> local yoga

> instructors here in Southern California that include

> rock climbing.

> The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> National Park, which

> is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

>

> Peace,

> jon

>

> ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> <lromanosky> wrote:

> > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> >

> > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question

> and

> > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an internet

> > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> forgetting

> > that my full name comes up first thing on the "to"

> > line, Oops!

> >

> > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last few

> > class have expanded to include members of the

> opposite

> > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

> > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> amazing

> > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

> > though some great friendships will come of it.

> That is

> > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> perhaps

> > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> >

> > I have also heard the comment from girls that

> the

> > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt to

> be

> > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> *slightest*

> > bit.

> > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> >

> > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> found

> > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> about

> > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant number

> of

> > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by

> the

> > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> strength

> > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> worked as

> > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> doing

> > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> over.

> > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it

> isn't

> > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> yourself.

> > Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

> > namaste, Lawrence.

> >

> > --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47" (ouch),

> I

> > > have to tell you that I

> > > get a kick out watching the sexes "observe" each

> > > other during and before

> > > classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have

> met

> > > the most wonderful

> > > younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes who

> were

> > > mad about their

> > > practices and were just so real and genuine and

> not

> > > looking to pickup at

> > > that time. It was through those times of just

> > > hanging before class or a bit

> > > after that we all came to know each other and I

> came

> > > to realize how

> > > wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married

> or 20

> > > years younger, I would

> > > be honored to date any one of them. Time is

> your

> > > greatest ally and when you

> > > relax and let your light shine, people can't

> help

> > > but want to be around you

> > > and with you.

> > >

> > > don't feel bad though, my daughter is 25 and

> > > beautiful and she complains of

> > > the same thing, only from the female

> perspective!

> > > Margee

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jon: Too bad about the mortgage -but a week away (far

away as it is) isn't too bad -(perhaps because I'm so

used to flying around the world on short business

trips) a week seems like plenty of time. Having said

that India and Vietnam are definitely worthwhile

-especially India -you really have to get yourself

there.

Thanks for the tips about the yoga retreats at Joshua

Tree -I'll definitely have to check them out.

 

Happy Ashtanga/Climbing

 

Maureen

--- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510 wrote:

> ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor and

> laughing out

> loud...

>

> Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the

> alias.

>

> I too have noticed the abundance of people who cross

> between the two

> pastimes (yoga and climbing).

>

> I'm sure the links between the two have been

> discussed here before,

> but please allow me to add my two cents and say how

> similar in they

> are as well, They both link mind and body through

> movement. The

> mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> similar to the mental

> focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact that

> they are both

> highly complementary athletically is just a bonus.

> My climbing/yoga

> balance is close to 60/40 although it does varies.

> Without question

> Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing while

> at the same time

> providing a great cardio workout that keeps the few

> extra pounds

> off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> climbers worry more

> about their weight than Olympic gymnasts. Logically

> every ounce that

> hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> difference both in terms

> of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as well

> as in terms of

> endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means you

> save 5 lbs of

> effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> single pitch, which on

> a long climb makes a huge difference).

>

> I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> genders though. There

> are a number of women from my yoga classes that I

> see occasionally at

> the climbing gym.

>

> Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of places to

> visit. I've

> heard wonderful things about it from both climbers

> and non-climbers.

> I have a climber friend there right now in fact and

> I'm NOT looking

> forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

> It's never a good

> thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> justify (or afford)

> to take a couple months of work at the moment, as I

> have a mortgage

> payment... nor do I want to just go for a week as

> I'd love to see

> Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it seems

> silly to fly

> half way around the world for weeks vacation. Of

> course the reality

> is that I should just be honest with myself and sell

> my house and

> quit my job before I go, since I know I won't want

> to come back

> anyway...

>

> FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead by

> local yoga

> instructors here in Southern California that include

> rock climbing.

> The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> National Park, which

> is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

>

> Peace,

> jon

>

> ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> <lromanosky> wrote:

> > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> >

> > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question

> and

> > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an internet

> > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> forgetting

> > that my full name comes up first thing on the "to"

> > line, Oops!

> >

> > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last few

> > class have expanded to include members of the

> opposite

> > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

> > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> amazing

> > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

> > though some great friendships will come of it.

> That is

> > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> perhaps

> > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> >

> > I have also heard the comment from girls that

> the

> > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt to

> be

> > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> *slightest*

> > bit.

> > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> >

> > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> found

> > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> about

> > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant number

> of

> > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by

> the

> > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> strength

> > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> worked as

> > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> doing

> > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> over.

> > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it

> isn't

> > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> yourself.

> > Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

> > namaste, Lawrence.

> >

> > --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47" (ouch),

> I

> > > have to tell you that I

> > > get a kick out watching the sexes "observe" each

> > > other during and before

> > > classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have

> met

> > > the most wonderful

> > > younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes who

> were

> > > mad about their

> > > practices and were just so real and genuine and

> not

> > > looking to pickup at

> > > that time. It was through those times of just

> > > hanging before class or a bit

> > > after that we all came to know each other and I

> came

> > > to realize how

> > > wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married

> or 20

> > > years younger, I would

> > > be honored to date any one of them. Time is

> your

> > > greatest ally and when you

> > > relax and let your light shine, people can't

> help

> > > but want to be around you

> > > and with you.

> > >

> > > don't feel bad though, my daughter is 25 and

> > > beautiful and she complains of

> > > the same thing, only from the female

> perspective!

> > > Margee

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I think it is one "b" -but the T-shirt is definitely a

good Karmic sign! Wouldn't it be terrific if we all

could meet there someday?!

--- lawrence romanosky <lromanosky wrote:

> Well sure enough, I went to the climbing gym

> yesterday

> and there was a guy with a Krabi (one b?) shirt on,

> turns out a friend of his went and he is trying to

> get

> there too...what do you figure; 3 or 4 degrees of

> separation between all of us?

> Cheers, Lawrence.

>

>

> --- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510 wrote:

> > ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor

> and

> > laughing out

> > loud...

> >

> > Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the

> > alias.

> >

> > I too have noticed the abundance of people who

> cross

> > between the two

> > pastimes (yoga and climbing).

> >

> > I'm sure the links between the two have been

> > discussed here before,

> > but please allow me to add my two cents and say

> how

> > similar in they

> > are as well, They both link mind and body through

> > movement. The

> > mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> > similar to the mental

> > focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact that

> > they are both

> > highly complementary athletically is just a bonus.

>

> > My climbing/yoga

> > balance is close to 60/40 although it does varies.

>

> > Without question

> > Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing

> while

> > at the same time

> > providing a great cardio workout that keeps the

> few

> > extra pounds

> > off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> > climbers worry more

> > about their weight than Olympic gymnasts.

> Logically

> > every ounce that

> > hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> > difference both in terms

> > of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as

> well

> > as in terms of

> > endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means you

> > save 5 lbs of

> > effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> > single pitch, which on

> > a long climb makes a huge difference).

> >

> > I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> > genders though. There

> > are a number of women from my yoga classes that I

> > see occasionally at

> > the climbing gym.

> >

> > Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of places

> to

> > visit. I've

> > heard wonderful things about it from both climbers

> > and non-climbers.

> > I have a climber friend there right now in fact

> and

> > I'm NOT looking

> > forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

> > It's never a good

> > thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> > justify (or afford)

> > to take a couple months of work at the moment, as

> I

> > have a mortgage

> > payment... nor do I want to just go for a week as

> > I'd love to see

> > Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it

> seems

> > silly to fly

> > half way around the world for weeks vacation. Of

> > course the reality

> > is that I should just be honest with myself and

> sell

> > my house and

> > quit my job before I go, since I know I won't want

> > to come back

> > anyway...

> >

> > FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead

> by

> > local yoga

> > instructors here in Southern California that

> include

> > rock climbing.

> > The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> > National Park, which

> > is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

> >

> > Peace,

> > jon

> >

> > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> > <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> > >

> > > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question

> > and

> > > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an

> internet

> > > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> > forgetting

> > > that my full name comes up first thing on the

> "to"

> > > line, Oops!

> > >

> > > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last

> few

> > > class have expanded to include members of the

> > opposite

> > > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

> > > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> > amazing

> > > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

> > > though some great friendships will come of it.

> > That is

> > > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> > perhaps

> > > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> > >

> > > I have also heard the comment from girls that

> > the

> > > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt

> to

> > be

> > > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> > *slightest*

> > > bit.

> > > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> > >

> > > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> > found

> > > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> > about

> > > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant

> number

> > of

> > > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by

> > the

> > > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> > strength

> > > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> > worked as

> > > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> > doing

> > > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> > over.

> > > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it

> > isn't

> > > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> > yourself.

> > > Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

> > > namaste, Lawrence.

> > >

> > > --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > > Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47"

> (ouch),

> > I

> > > > have to tell you that I

> > > > get a kick out watching the sexes "observe"

> each

> > > > other during and before

> > > > classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have

> > met

> > > > the most wonderful

> > > > younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes

> who

> > were

> > > > mad about their

> > > > practices and were just so real and genuine

> and

> > not

> > > > looking to pickup at

> > > > that time. It was through those times of just

> > > > hanging before class or a bit

> > > > after that we all came to know each other and

> I

> > came

> > > > to realize how

> > > > wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married

> > or 20

>

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That is interesting, rock climbing and ashtanga. I have equated it with

dance, a ballet all of its own!

Margee

>

> lawrence romanosky [sMTP:lromanosky]

> Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:50 PM

> ashtanga yoga

> Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the sexes...../yoga and

> climbing

>

> Well sure enough, I went to the climbing gym yesterday

> and there was a guy with a Krabi (one b?) shirt on,

> turns out a friend of his went and he is trying to get

> there too...what do you figure; 3 or 4 degrees of

> separation between all of us?

> Cheers, Lawrence.

>

>

> --- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510 wrote:

> > ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor and

> > laughing out

> > loud...

> >

> > Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the

> > alias.

> >

> > I too have noticed the abundance of people who cross

> > between the two

> > pastimes (yoga and climbing).

> >

> > I'm sure the links between the two have been

> > discussed here before,

> > but please allow me to add my two cents and say how

> > similar in they

> > are as well, They both link mind and body through

> > movement. The

> > mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> > similar to the mental

> > focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact that

> > they are both

> > highly complementary athletically is just a bonus.

> > My climbing/yoga

> > balance is close to 60/40 although it does varies.

> > Without question

> > Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing while

> > at the same time

> > providing a great cardio workout that keeps the few

> > extra pounds

> > off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> > climbers worry more

> > about their weight than Olympic gymnasts. Logically

> > every ounce that

> > hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> > difference both in terms

> > of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as well

> > as in terms of

> > endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means you

> > save 5 lbs of

> > effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> > single pitch, which on

> > a long climb makes a huge difference).

> >

> > I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> > genders though. There

> > are a number of women from my yoga classes that I

> > see occasionally at

> > the climbing gym.

> >

> > Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of places to

> > visit. I've

> > heard wonderful things about it from both climbers

> > and non-climbers.

> > I have a climber friend there right now in fact and

> > I'm NOT looking

> > forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

> > It's never a good

> > thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> > justify (or afford)

> > to take a couple months of work at the moment, as I

> > have a mortgage

> > payment... nor do I want to just go for a week as

> > I'd love to see

> > Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it seems

> > silly to fly

> > half way around the world for weeks vacation. Of

> > course the reality

> > is that I should just be honest with myself and sell

> > my house and

> > quit my job before I go, since I know I won't want

> > to come back

> > anyway...

> >

> > FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead by

> > local yoga

> > instructors here in Southern California that include

> > rock climbing.

> > The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> > National Park, which

> > is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

> >

> > Peace,

> > jon

> >

> > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> > <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> > >

> > > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive question

> > and

> > > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an internet

> > > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> > forgetting

> > > that my full name comes up first thing on the "to"

> > > line, Oops!

> > >

> > > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last few

> > > class have expanded to include members of the

> > opposite

> > > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A very

> > > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> > amazing

> > > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel as

> > > though some great friendships will come of it.

> > That is

> > > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> > perhaps

> > > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> > >

> > > I have also heard the comment from girls that

> > the

> > > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt to

> > be

> > > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> > *slightest*

> > > bit.

> > > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> > >

> > > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> > found

> > > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> > about

> > > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant number

> > of

> > > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic by

> > the

> > > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> > strength

> > > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> > worked as

> > > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> > doing

> > > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> > over.

> > > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so it

> > isn't

> > > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> > yourself.

> > > Yoga is benign, but still fun and challenging.

> > > namaste, Lawrence.

> > >

> > > --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > > Speaking as a more "mature woman of 47" (ouch),

> > I

> > > > have to tell you that I

> > > > get a kick out watching the sexes "observe" each

> > > > other during and before

> > > > classes. I can tell you honestly, that I have

> > met

> > > > the most wonderful

> > > > younger men (20's-early 30's) in my classes who

> > were

> > > > mad about their

> > > > practices and were just so real and genuine and

> > not

> > > > looking to pickup at

> > > > that time. It was through those times of just

> > > > hanging before class or a bit

> > > > after that we all came to know each other and I

> > came

> > > > to realize how

> > > > wonderful they are and how if I wasn't married

> > or 20

> > > > years younger, I would

> > > > be honored to date any one of them. Time is

> > your

> > > > greatest ally and when you

> > > > relax and let your light shine, people can't

> > help

> > > > but want to be around you

> > > > and with you.

> > > >

> > > > don't feel bad though, my daughter is 25 and

> > > > beautiful and she complains of

> > > > the same thing, only from the female

> > perspective!

> > > > Margee

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well, just about all the dancers I know are into

Ashtanga as well. And, many of the instructors have a

dance background, which I guess isn't too much of a

surprise.

Cheers, Lawrence.

 

 

--- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart wrote:

> That is interesting, rock climbing and ashtanga. I

> have equated it with

> dance, a ballet all of its own!

> Margee

> >

> > lawrence romanosky

> [sMTP:lromanosky]

> > Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:50 PM

> > ashtanga yoga

> > Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the

> sexes...../yoga and

> > climbing

> >

> > Well sure enough, I went to the climbing gym

> yesterday

> > and there was a guy with a Krabi (one b?) shirt

> on,

> > turns out a friend of his went and he is trying to

> get

> > there too...what do you figure; 3 or 4 degrees of

> > separation between all of us?

> > Cheers, Lawrence.

> >

> >

> > --- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510 wrote:

> > > ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor

> and

> > > laughing out

> > > loud...

> > >

> > > Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in

> the

> > > alias.

> > >

> > > I too have noticed the abundance of people who

> cross

> > > between the two

> > > pastimes (yoga and climbing).

> > >

> > > I'm sure the links between the two have been

> > > discussed here before,

> > > but please allow me to add my two cents and say

> how

> > > similar in they

> > > are as well, They both link mind and body

> through

> > > movement. The

> > > mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> > > similar to the mental

> > > focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact

> that

> > > they are both

> > > highly complementary athletically is just a

> bonus.

> > > My climbing/yoga

> > > balance is close to 60/40 although it does

> varies.

> > > Without question

> > > Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing

> while

> > > at the same time

> > > providing a great cardio workout that keeps the

> few

> > > extra pounds

> > > off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> > > climbers worry more

> > > about their weight than Olympic gymnasts.

> Logically

> > > every ounce that

> > > hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> > > difference both in terms

> > > of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as

> well

> > > as in terms of

> > > endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means

> you

> > > save 5 lbs of

> > > effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> > > single pitch, which on

> > > a long climb makes a huge difference).

> > >

> > > I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> > > genders though. There

> > > are a number of women from my yoga classes that

> I

> > > see occasionally at

> > > the climbing gym.

> > >

> > > Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of

> places to

> > > visit. I've

> > > heard wonderful things about it from both

> climbers

> > > and non-climbers.

> > > I have a climber friend there right now in fact

> and

> > > I'm NOT looking

> > > forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

>

> > > It's never a good

> > > thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> > > justify (or afford)

> > > to take a couple months of work at the moment,

> as I

> > > have a mortgage

> > > payment... nor do I want to just go for a week

> as

> > > I'd love to see

> > > Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it

> seems

> > > silly to fly

> > > half way around the world for weeks vacation.

> Of

> > > course the reality

> > > is that I should just be honest with myself and

> sell

> > > my house and

> > > quit my job before I go, since I know I won't

> want

> > > to come back

> > > anyway...

> > >

> > > FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats

> lead by

> > > local yoga

> > > instructors here in Southern California that

> include

> > > rock climbing.

> > > The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> > > National Park, which

> > > is an amazing place both to practice and to

> climb.

> > >

> > > Peace,

> > > jon

> > >

> > > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> > > <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> > > >

> > > > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive

> question

> > > and

> > > > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an

> internet

> > > > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> > > forgetting

> > > > that my full name comes up first thing on the

> "to"

> > > > line, Oops!

> > > >

> > > > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last

> few

> > > > class have expanded to include members of the

> > > opposite

> > > > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A

> very

> > > > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> > > amazing

> > > > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel

> as

> > > > though some great friendships will come of it.

> > > That is

> > > > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> > > perhaps

> > > > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> > > >

> > > > I have also heard the comment from girls

> that

> > > the

> > > > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt

> to

> > > be

> > > > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> > > *slightest*

> > > > bit.

> > > > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> > > >

> > > > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> > > found

> > > > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> > > about

> > > > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant

> number

> > > of

> > > > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > > > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic

> by

> > > the

> > > > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> > > strength

> > > > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> > > worked as

> > > > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> > > doing

> > > > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> > > over.

> > > > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so

> it

> > > isn't

> > > > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

>

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Yes dancers too! It's become a triangle I suppose, as I've also

known several excellent climbers whom are/were dancers.

 

With it being election day today in the states, it makes me think

it'd be an interseting poll to see what the most common

crossover "sports" applied to yoga practitioners. I'm sure dance,

climbing and gymnastics would be high on the list.

 

Lawarence: I too have often wondered what the degree of seperation

was in the climbing community, and yoga community. I've run into

casual aquantinces from home at every climbing area I've ever

traveled to. Unforutnatly in yoga, we rarely travel "to practice"

they way climbers do.

 

Margee: I've often heard the statement "Climbing is like ballet, just

on a vertical wall" from all sorts of climbers. There are actually

dance "troops" (can you tell I'm not a dancer?) that perform

suspended from ropes on walls. Sound interesting, I've never

actually seen it, but I've heard of them performing for various

events.

 

 

ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky <lromanosky> wrote:

> Well, just about all the dancers I know are into

> Ashtanga as well. And, many of the instructors have a

> dance background, which I guess isn't too much of a

> surprise.

> Cheers, Lawrence.

>

>

> --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > That is interesting, rock climbing and ashtanga. I

> > have equated it with

> > dance, a ballet all of its own!

> > Margee

> > >

> > > lawrence romanosky

> > [sMTP:lromanosky]

> > > Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:50 PM

> > > ashtangayoga

> > > Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the

> > sexes...../yoga and

> > > climbing

> > >

> > > Well sure enough, I went to the climbing gym

> > yesterday

> > > and there was a guy with a Krabi (one b?) shirt

> > on,

> > > turns out a friend of his went and he is trying to

> > get

> > > there too...what do you figure; 3 or 4 degrees of

> > > separation between all of us?

> > > Cheers, Lawrence.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510@h...> wrote:

> > > > ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor

> > and

> > > > laughing out

> > > > loud...

> > > >

> > > > Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in

> > the

> > > > alias.

> > > >

> > > > I too have noticed the abundance of people who

> > cross

> > > > between the two

> > > > pastimes (yoga and climbing).

> > > >

> > > > I'm sure the links between the two have been

> > > > discussed here before,

> > > > but please allow me to add my two cents and say

> > how

> > > > similar in they

> > > > are as well, They both link mind and body

> > through

> > > > movement. The

> > > > mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> > > > similar to the mental

> > > > focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact

> > that

> > > > they are both

> > > > highly complementary athletically is just a

> > bonus.

> > > > My climbing/yoga

> > > > balance is close to 60/40 although it does

> > varies.

> > > > Without question

> > > > Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing

> > while

> > > > at the same time

> > > > providing a great cardio workout that keeps the

> > few

> > > > extra pounds

> > > > off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> > > > climbers worry more

> > > > about their weight than Olympic gymnasts.

> > Logically

> > > > every ounce that

> > > > hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> > > > difference both in terms

> > > > of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as

> > well

> > > > as in terms of

> > > > endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means

> > you

> > > > save 5 lbs of

> > > > effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> > > > single pitch, which on

> > > > a long climb makes a huge difference).

> > > >

> > > > I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> > > > genders though. There

> > > > are a number of women from my yoga classes that

> > I

> > > > see occasionally at

> > > > the climbing gym.

> > > >

> > > > Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of

> > places to

> > > > visit. I've

> > > > heard wonderful things about it from both

> > climbers

> > > > and non-climbers.

> > > > I have a climber friend there right now in fact

> > and

> > > > I'm NOT looking

> > > > forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

> >

> > > > It's never a good

> > > > thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> > > > justify (or afford)

> > > > to take a couple months of work at the moment,

> > as I

> > > > have a mortgage

> > > > payment... nor do I want to just go for a week

> > as

> > > > I'd love to see

> > > > Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it

> > seems

> > > > silly to fly

> > > > half way around the world for weeks vacation.

> > Of

> > > > course the reality

> > > > is that I should just be honest with myself and

> > sell

> > > > my house and

> > > > quit my job before I go, since I know I won't

> > want

> > > > to come back

> > > > anyway...

> > > >

> > > > FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats

> > lead by

> > > > local yoga

> > > > instructors here in Southern California that

> > include

> > > > rock climbing.

> > > > The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> > > > National Park, which

> > > > is an amazing place both to practice and to

> > climb.

> > > >

> > > > Peace,

> > > > jon

> > > >

> > > > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> > > > <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > > > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive

> > question

> > > > and

> > > > > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an

> > internet

> > > > > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> > > > forgetting

> > > > > that my full name comes up first thing on the

> > "to"

> > > > > line, Oops!

> > > > >

> > > > > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last

> > few

> > > > > class have expanded to include members of the

> > > > opposite

> > > > > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A

> > very

> > > > > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> > > > amazing

> > > > > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel

> > as

> > > > > though some great friendships will come of it.

> > > > That is

> > > > > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> > > > perhaps

> > > > > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have also heard the comment from girls

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> > > > *slightest*

> > > > > bit.

> > > > > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> > > > >

> > > > > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> > > > found

> > > > > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> > > > about

> > > > > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant

> > number

> > > > of

> > > > > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > > > > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> > > > strength

> > > > > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> > > > worked as

> > > > > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> > > > doing

> > > > > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> > > > over.

> > > > > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so

> > it

> > > > isn't

> > > > > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

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That is very true and I had the pleasure of seeing the rope dancers last

year at Cirqu de Soleil and it was magnificant !! Unfortunately, I have a

fear of heights and don't think that rock climbing would be my thing.

Though I do see where the mind-body connection would come into play.

Ashtanga practice takes such dedication and time and it is something that I

wish that I had learned before I got married and had kids. I often wondor

what direction my life would have taken if I was introduced to it much

earlier. Now, with my obligations, it can be very difficult to put the time

in that I really need to get further along in the practice. I haven't

practiced in awhile, and again, I miss it terribly.

Does anyone else have trouble balancing their "life" and practice time?

Margee

>

> jbrrr510 [sMTP:jbrrr510]

> Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:35 PM

> ashtanga yoga

> Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the sexes...../yoga and

> climbing

>

> Yes dancers too! It's become a triangle I suppose, as I've also

> known several excellent climbers whom are/were dancers.

>

> With it being election day today in the states, it makes me think

> it'd be an interseting poll to see what the most common

> crossover "sports" applied to yoga practitioners. I'm sure dance,

> climbing and gymnastics would be high on the list.

>

> Lawarence: I too have often wondered what the degree of seperation

> was in the climbing community, and yoga community. I've run into

> casual aquantinces from home at every climbing area I've ever

> traveled to. Unforutnatly in yoga, we rarely travel "to practice"

> they way climbers do.

>

> Margee: I've often heard the statement "Climbing is like ballet, just

> on a vertical wall" from all sorts of climbers. There are actually

> dance "troops" (can you tell I'm not a dancer?) that perform

> suspended from ropes on walls. Sound interesting, I've never

> actually seen it, but I've heard of them performing for various

> events.

>

>

> ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky <lromanosky> wrote:

> > Well, just about all the dancers I know are into

> > Ashtanga as well. And, many of the instructors have a

> > dance background, which I guess isn't too much of a

> > surprise.

> > Cheers, Lawrence.

> >

> >

> > --- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > That is interesting, rock climbing and ashtanga. I

> > > have equated it with

> > > dance, a ballet all of its own!

> > > Margee

> > > >

> > > > lawrence romanosky

> > > [sMTP:lromanosky]

> > > > Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:50 PM

> > > > ashtangayoga

> > > > Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the

> > > sexes...../yoga and

> > > > climbing

> > > >

> > > > Well sure enough, I went to the climbing gym

> > > yesterday

> > > > and there was a guy with a Krabi (one b?) shirt

> > > on,

> > > > turns out a friend of his went and he is trying to

> > > get

> > > > there too...what do you figure; 3 or 4 degrees of

> > > > separation between all of us?

> > > > Cheers, Lawrence.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- jbrrr510 <jbrrr510@h...> wrote:

> > > > > ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor

> > > and

> > > > > laughing out

> > > > > loud...

> > > > >

> > > > > Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in

> > > the

> > > > > alias.

> > > > >

> > > > > I too have noticed the abundance of people who

> > > cross

> > > > > between the two

> > > > > pastimes (yoga and climbing).

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sure the links between the two have been

> > > > > discussed here before,

> > > > > but please allow me to add my two cents and say

> > > how

> > > > > similar in they

> > > > > are as well, They both link mind and body

> > > through

> > > > > movement. The

> > > > > mental focus and peace I find in yoga is very

> > > > > similar to the mental

> > > > > focus and peace I find in climbing. The fact

> > > that

> > > > > they are both

> > > > > highly complementary athletically is just a

> > > bonus.

> > > > > My climbing/yoga

> > > > > balance is close to 60/40 although it does

> > > varies.

> > > > > Without question

> > > > > Yoga has helped my core strength for climbing

> > > while

> > > > > at the same time

> > > > > providing a great cardio workout that keeps the

> > > few

> > > > > extra pounds

> > > > > off. For those that don't climb, most serious

> > > > > climbers worry more

> > > > > about their weight than Olympic gymnasts.

> > > Logically

> > > > > every ounce that

> > > > > hangs off one's fingers makes a significant

> > > > > difference both in terms

> > > > > of relative power (strength to weight ratio) as

> > > well

> > > > > as in terms of

> > > > > endurance (Weighing 180 lbs vs. 175 lbs means

> > > you

> > > > > save 5 lbs of

> > > > > effort on every move, 100 moves = 500 lbs on a

> > > > > single pitch, which on

> > > > > a long climb makes a huge difference).

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the climbing/yoga link applies to both

> > > > > genders though. There

> > > > > are a number of women from my yoga classes that

> > > I

> > > > > see occasionally at

> > > > > the climbing gym.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maureen, Krabbi is very high on my list of

> > > places to

> > > > > visit. I've

> > > > > heard wonderful things about it from both

> > > climbers

> > > > > and non-climbers.

> > > > > I have a climber friend there right now in fact

> > > and

> > > > > I'm NOT looking

> > > > > forward to hearing her stories when she returns.

> > >

> > > > > It's never a good

> > > > > thing for my career... The problem is I can't

> > > > > justify (or afford)

> > > > > to take a couple months of work at the moment,

> > > as I

> > > > > have a mortgage

> > > > > payment... nor do I want to just go for a week

> > > as

> > > > > I'd love to see

> > > > > Vietnam and maybe a little of India too and it

> > > seems

> > > > > silly to fly

> > > > > half way around the world for weeks vacation.

> > > Of

> > > > > course the reality

> > > > > is that I should just be honest with myself and

> > > sell

> > > > > my house and

> > > > > quit my job before I go, since I know I won't

> > > want

> > > > > to come back

> > > > > anyway...

> > > > >

> > > > > FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats

> > > lead by

> > > > > local yoga

> > > > > instructors here in Southern California that

> > > include

> > > > > rock climbing.

> > > > > The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> > > > > National Park, which

> > > > > is an amazing place both to practice and to

> > > climb.

> > > > >

> > > > > Peace,

> > > > > jon

> > > > >

> > > > > ashtangayoga, lawrence romanosky

> > > > > <lromanosky> wrote:

> > > > > > Thanks Jon an Margee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well it is nice to put out a sensitive

> > > question

> > > > > and

> > > > > > get thoughtfull feedback. I asked in an

> > > internet

> > > > > > group because of the anomimity it gave me,

> > > > > forgetting

> > > > > > that my full name comes up first thing on the

> > > "to"

> > > > > > line, Oops!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's funny that the after yoga drinks in last

> > > few

> > > > > > class have expanded to include members of the

> > > > > opposite

> > > > > > sex, and the conversation flowed. Nice. A

> > > very

> > > > > > eclectic and intesting group of people with an

> > > > > amazing

> > > > > > amount in common and terrific energy. I feel

> > > as

> > > > > > though some great friendships will come of it.

> > > > > That is

> > > > > > just the thing I thought missing before, so

> > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > the process just takes time and familiarity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have also heard the comment from girls

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > guys look "so serious", no doubt in an attempt

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > PC, respect space, and not look around the

> > > > > *slightest*

> > > > > > bit.

> > > > > > so, perhaps we're all a bit scared...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Changing the subject: Something else that I

> > > > > found

> > > > > > out about my new yoga friends is the fact that

> > > > > about

> > > > > > 80% of the guys in Yoga, and a significant

> > > number

> > > > > of

> > > > > > girls, are rock climbers. Is this the case

> > > > > > everywhere? Totally different social dynamic

> > > by

> > > > > the

> > > > > > way. I actually started Yoga to develop core

> > > > > strength

> > > > > > and flexibility to help me climb, and it has

> > > > > worked as

> > > > > > expected. Although now, I spend twice as long

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > Ashtanga as climbing, so it has sort of taken

> > > > > over.

> > > > > > Sport climbing is fantastially strenuous, so

> > > it

> > > > > isn't

> > > > > > so good climb hard every day--you will hurt

> > >

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A question from a newbie...

 

(oh, and in my ashtanga class we have rock climbers too... Some are

preparing for a climb in africa somewhere)

 

--about the yoga retreats - I'm very new to yoga, how do you find out

about these retreats? At the yoga studio there is a poster with the

february cruise advertised, but nothing else. I'm a bit embarrassed as I

am very heavy but I really enjoy yoga so much - I hope that I won't feel

too weird and that all would be welcome - is everyone rail-thin and

super-fit? I just kind of do my own thing at class and each week I

notice bit by bit that I can move a bit more...

 

Dara

 

 

 

jbrrr510 [jbrrr510]

November 5, 2002 1:11 PM

ashtanga yoga

Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the sexes...../yoga and climbing

 

 

ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor and laughing out

loud...

 

Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the alias.

FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead by local yoga

instructors here in Southern California that include rock climbing.

The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree National Park, which

is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

 

Peace,

jon

[Guest guest]

Dara - Here are a few websites which list yoga events/

retreats all around the world:

 

http://www.yogafinder.com/index.html

http://www.yogasite.com

 

Please do not be self conscious about your practice.

Do what you can and slowly you will progress if you

continue to practice diligently. I speak from

experience as a former marathon runner who could

barely touch my knees when I started, much less sit in

padmasana (which I am, years later, still working on).

Best of luck - Om Shamti.

 

--- Dara <dara.smith wrote:

> A question from a newbie...

>

> (oh, and in my ashtanga class we have rock climbers

> too... Some are

> preparing for a climb in africa somewhere)

>

> --about the yoga retreats - I'm very new to yoga,

> how do you find out

> about these retreats? At the yoga studio there is a

> poster with the

> february cruise advertised, but nothing else. I'm a

> bit embarrassed as I

> am very heavy but I really enjoy yoga so much - I

> hope that I won't feel

> too weird and that all would be welcome - is

> everyone rail-thin and

> super-fit? I just kind of do my own thing at class

> and each week I

> notice bit by bit that I can move a bit more...

>

> Dara

>

>

>

> jbrrr510 [jbrrr510]

> November 5, 2002 1:11 PM

> ashtanga yoga

> Re: ashtanga yoga yoga and the

> sexes...../yoga and climbing

>

>

> ROTFLOL... literally I am rolling on the floor and

> laughing out

> loud...

>

> Yeah... I'm a climber too... hence the 510 in the

> alias.

> FYI, I've seen several weekend yoga retreats lead by

> local yoga

> instructors here in Southern California that include

> rock climbing.

> The retreats are usually held out at Joshua Tree

> National Park, which

> is an amazing place both to practice and to climb.

>

> Peace,

> jon

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dara,

 

I've gone to several yoga retreats and I've had the best time of my

life. I've met all kinds of people at the retreats.

 

I haven't been on a yoga cruise and probably won't go because of the

polution. But I'm sure it would be a great time. Maybe someone will

come up with a barefoot yoga cruise ( on a real sailboat).

 

I highly recommend the Inner Harmony retreats ( ihretreat.com ?).

The food was excellent, the instruction the best, and the people were

warm and friendly.

 

Yoga is about what's inside; the connection between the mind, body,

and spirit.

Enjoy the moment.

 

Namaste,

Mike

 

 

ashtangayoga, "Dara" <dara.smith@s...> wrote:

> A question from a newbie...

>

> (oh, and in my ashtanga class we have rock climbers too... Some are

> preparing for a climb in africa somewhere)

>

> --about the yoga retreats - I'm very new to yoga, how do you find

out

> about these retreats? At the yoga studio there is a poster with the

> february cruise advertised, but nothing else. I'm a bit embarrassed

as I

> am very heavy but I really enjoy yoga so much - I hope that I won't

feel

> too weird and that all would be welcome - is everyone rail-thin and

> super-fit? I just kind of do my own thing at class and each week I

> notice bit by bit that I can move a bit more...

>

> Dara