ashtanga yoga [Ashtanga Yog] Teachers, Yoga Alliance?

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-Blessings to you too dear, but I did not put a question out there. I

was writing in reponse to rochik666 asking for peoples opinion on the

Yoga Alliance---Which I gave.

 

In ashtanga yoga, Rock Chick

> > <rokchik666>

> > wrote:

> > > I would like to get everyone's thoughts on the

> > Yoga

> > > Alliance.

 

 

As far as you go.

I simply quoted directly from your post and and rebutted some of your

statements, which in my opinion are crap and I stand by that. It is

hypocritical to slam SKPJ (and you did) on this board and then

feature him on your site. It is is directly misleading and you are

misrepresenting yourself by doing so. Please keep your condesending

and most ridiculous fake yogic attitude to yourself.

 

 

 

 

-- In ashtanga yoga, debra bobier > You put a question

out there and someone took the time

> to answer. But it sounds as though you weren't truly

> looking for anothers opinion. Just an argument or

> another way to vent what appears to be a lot of pent

> up hostility.

>

> Yes, Yoga Alliance is a registry. I inadvertenly used

> the wrong word. Some of us aren't perfect. While I

> don't agree with all their practices and procedures

> many Companies will not hire you unless you are

> registered with them, which makes them very relevant.

>

> I don't believe I ever said anything about my personal

> feelings in regards to PJ or Swenson. As a matter of

> fact, I had hoped to train with PJ while I was in

> India but it didn't work out. My practice has

> benefited the most by seeking out this diversity of

> teachers and experiences.

>

> My website, YogaBound is a labor of love and a

> reflection of my beliefs. Swenson and PJ are

> individuals I have respect and admiration for, as I do

> others. This is why they are prominent on my site.

>

> To clear up your misperceptions, I don't believe I

> ever said I teach Ashtanga. Or what I don't know. I

> believe I said that I teach Dynamic and Power Yoga and

> use the Primary series, as well as other aspects of

> Ashtanga as a guidelined

>

> No, 7 weeks in Mysore doesn't make anyone an expert.

> And I don't believe I professed to be one. But like

> many, I can certainly walk into a room and pick up a

> vibe. Not only was there a vibe in Mysore, PJ was a

> hot topic of conversation.

>

> Of course you can always say that people are jealous,

> etc., however, there was a common theme I heard over

> and over from the local people and some Westerners as

> well apparent. No matter who you are this will always

> be the case to some extent. It is obvious you like PJ

> very much. As I do. As do many people. But I don't

> look through rose colored glasses. It's a fact that we

> all have our strengths and weaknesses.

>

> Yes, I had hear from Westerners that he has discounted

> rates for the locals. To bad the locals don't know

> about this. I found people were either hot or cold

> about PJ. The people who were hot were westerners. But

> who cares really. Everyone must search out their own

> teachers, guru, etc.

>

> You seem to have a strong opinion on these issues and

> don't seem to really want to hear what others have to

> say unless they support and validate your own point of

> view. So what was your motivation behind asking for

> others points of view?

>

> This all makes perfect sense to me. However, we all

> see what we want to see. Believe what we want to

> believe. As long as you see things from a negative,

> angry and hostile perspective, there is nothing I can

> do or say that will change your take on the world. I

> send you wishes that your own Yoga practice will help

> you find some Joy in this world.

>

> Blessings to You!

>

> Namaste'

>

> Deb

>

>

> --- mangaladasa <no_reply> wrote:

> > "I was in Mysore 7 weeks this year. PJ puts 100%

> > emphasis on asana."

> >

> > By the way Ms. Bobier if you dislike SKPJ so much

> > why do you quote

> > him on your website www.yogabound.com? Being in

> > Mysore for 7 weeks

> > hardly qualifies you as an expert on his methods or

> > his emphasis. You

> > also quote Swami Vishnudevananda but are you aware

> > that the Yoga

> > Alliance does not recognize the Sivananda

> > Certification either? From

> > what organization did you obtain your certification.

> > According to

> > your logic David Swenson who you have posted a

> > picture of posing with

> > you and your husband should not be able to teach

> > either since he is

> > not registered with the Yoga Alliance. Start making

> > sense!

> >

> > ashtanga yoga, debra bobier

> > <debbobier>

> > wrote:

> > > I am sure we would all rather be doing or teaching

> > > yoga than thinking about these things, but the

> > fact is

> > > that like massage, yoga will eventually be

> > regulated.

> > >

> > > Only those with certifications from supposedly

> > > qualified organizations will be able to teach,

> > > irregardless of what we, or PJ thinks. There's

> > > discussion that it may also be covered by

> > insurance at

> > > some point and we know what that means.

> > >

> > > In many instances this is a lot of bunk. As with

> > every

> > > profession, there are people teaching yoga that

> > are

> > > qualified but are terrible teachers. There are

> > people

> > > with lesser qualifications that are excellent.

> > Just

> > > because you can do a headstand doesn't mean you

> > are

> > > qualified to teach. And if your students have neck

> > > injuries this shouldn't be taught period.

> > >

> > > I have been trained in both Iyengar and Ashtanga

> > yoga

> > > styles. I have over 500 hours of training both in

> > the

> > > physical and metaphysical aspects of yoga. As well

> > as

> > > Anatomy and Physiology. I have years of teaching

> > > experience. And my learning is ongoing. I am

> > > registered with the necessary Yoga organization,

> > not

> > > because they make me a better teacher, but because

> > I

> > > know I need to be in order to teach yoga in this

> > ever

> > > changing, regulated world.

> > >

> > > One of my employers won't hire anyone not

> > certified by

> > > Yoga Alliance. They even told me they don't know

> > if

> > > they are the best, but they need some type of

> > > standards to go by. Since they are a health

> > > organization and could be sued, they have to cover

> > > their you know whats.

> > >

> > > Ashtanga is my personal favorite yoga style. I

> > simply

> > > love moving quietly and peacefully from one asana

> > to

> > > another without stopping. I follow the primary

> > series

> > > sequence, illiminating those that are beyond my

> > > abilities like lotus. I have knee injuries that

> > will

> > > prevent me from ever being able to do this. But

> > I'll

> > > teach it. Irregardless of whether I can do

> > everything,

> > > and do it perfectly, my yoga practice brings me

> > such

> > > joy that I want to share the benefits with

> > everyone.

> > >

> > > Yet with all my experience, based on PJ's

> > > requirements, I am not qualified to teach Ashtanga

> > > Yoga even though my training has been excellent

> > and

> > > extensive, from people blessed by PJ, or Yogi's

> > that

> > > have trained with T. Krishnamacharyam the

> > grandfather

> > > of modern yoga, the person PJ and Iyengar and

> > > Desikachar learned from.

> > >

> > > Whether I like or agree with this makes no

> > difference.

> > > It is what it is. I teach Power or Dynamic Yoga

> > and

> > > use the Ashtanga sequence as a guideline. I teach

> > > integrative yoga. I teach gentle, restorative

> > yoga. As

> > > well as relaxation and meditation. It doesn't

> > matter

> > > to me what name is attached to it by someone else.

> >

> > >

> > > My classes are modified based on the skills,

> > abilities

> > > and fitness levels of my students. There has to be

> > a

> > > sensitivity to their needs, safety and a fun and

> > > challenging learning environment. I think the most

> > > important thing to give someone is a wonderful

> > yoga

> > > experience that includes the many aspects of yoga

> > from

> > > Pranayama to asana to relaxation and nurturing to

> > yoga

> > > philosophies. A teacher is simply a guide enabling

> > > people to discover themselves through the gift of

> > > yoga.

> > >

> > > I was in Mysore 7 weeks this year. PJ puts 100%

> > > emphasis on asana. In order to teach Ashtanga

> > yoga,

> > > you have to have the primary series under your

> > belt.

> > > If you can't do everything in the primary series,

> > you

> > > aren't allowed to move up. But he isn't alone. All

> > the

> > > teachers I worked with emphasized the physical

> > aspect

> > > of the practice with the exception of one. Once I

> > > understood the philosophy behind this, it made

> > sense,

> > > but I don't agree with the all or nothing angle.

> > >

> > > PJ is expensive. After this tour in America he is

> > > raising his prices to $850 per month. Maybe not a

> > lot

> > > to you or I who live in America, but when I was in

> > > India, this is out of reach for all but the

> > richest of

> > > these people. The most other highly qualified

> > teachers

> > > charge is $100.00 a month. Which in itself raises

> > > questions like "Should yoga only be taught by

> > those

> > > with money and no physical limitations at all?

> > >

> > > For what it's worth this is my two and a half

> > cents.

> > > Thanks to for the opportunity to share our

> > thoughts.

> > > And I agree with this person, no need to jump down

> > my

> > > throat if you don't agree. We're all entitled to

> > our

> > > opinions. However, in the true spirit of yoga,

> > can't

> > > we attempt to do it with love and compassion?

> > >

> > > Have a blissful Holiday.

> > >

> > > Namaste'

> > >

> > > Deb Bobier

> > > www.yogabound.com

> > >

> > > --- mangaladasa <no_reply>

> > wrote:

> > > > Hi RC,

> > > > Regarding the Yoga Alliance, They do not list

> > any

> > > > sort of

> > > > certification other then those organizations who

> > > > have applied to have

> > > > their training or school listed by that

> > registry. In

> > > > other words they

> > > > do not accept even the certificate which Sri K.

> > > > Pattabhi Jois issues

> > > > because he has not registered with them! This is

> > > > true of the B.K.S.

> > > > Iyengar certication as well. They were acepting

> > what

> > > > they

> > > > call "grandfathering in" for a while where

> > people

> >

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