Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Miguel, This USED to be an Ashtanga Yoga message board, but now it seems that there is very little Ashtanga going on and a lot of bad advice. There is no pose in Ashtanga that involves sitting on a pillow, and there is no need to do an added "counter pose" as the resident quack yogini shakti has advised you to do. The system of the primary series is a very good one and all you need to do is follow the program as it is laid out. There are no pillows used in Ashtanga. Just go as slow as you need to go to avoid too much wear and tear on your knees as your hips will slowly open up enough so your knees will not hurt in padmasana any more. In the mean time sit with your legs crossed instead of padmasana and practice the primary series. Eventually your hips will open and your knees won't hurt any more. Forget about the "pillow conditioning" and the crazy out of sequence pose Quacky Shakti told you to do. Not necessary and heedless. If you don't do the correct method of Ashtanga, don't give advice here without prefacing it with a disclaimer. FBL ashtanga yoga, "Gearhart, Margee" < mgearhart@s...> wrote: > Miguel- > This is a very good pose for conditioning. It is uncomfortable at first. > Put a small pillow under your butt for leverage and try to sit like that for > a few minutes adding a few more minutes every few days. After awhile you > will be able to sit like that for awhile without any discomfort. Like most > things, it just takes time. > Margee > > > > > n3wskin <miguel_tereno@n...> [sMTP:miguel_tereno@n...] > > Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:02 PM > > ashtanga yoga > > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and Padmasana... > > > > Shakti, > > > > Thank you for the reply. Isn´t this the pose you are talking about? > > > > <http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/490_1.cfm> > > > > I tried this one and it also hurts my knees, when I sit down. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > ashtanga yoga, "Shakti Lalita > > <Yogini_Shakti>" <Yogini_Shakti> wrote: > > > Miguel wrote [[.. padmasana, it hurts on the knees. [snip] Is > > there > > > an easier alternate position?]] > > > ** All joints - from small digits to huge balls - are points of > > > injury. Proceed cautiously. Otherwise, an all too often, or > > unknown > > > counterpose to Padmasan is 'sitting warrior'. > > > > > > When the knees & hips are turned inwards in padmasan, the > > alternate, > > > opposing movement must be addressed for affirmative healing & > > > recuperation. This countermove is 'sitting warrior; which rotates > > > the knee & hips in the opposite direction. Hence, Pose .. > > > Counterpose. > > > > > > Sitting warrior is sitting with the legs to the sides of the > > thighs, > > > toes pointed backwards, tailbone on the earth. > > > > > > Om Shanti ... > > > Shakti > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://rd./M=234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/ D=egroupweb/S=170506 > > 0955:HM/A=1327985/R=0/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/ clk;4870024;7586687;x?htt > > p://www.ameriquestmortgage.com/welcome.html?ad= 01> > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M= 234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/D=egroupm > > ail/S=:HM/A=1327985/rand=367158758> > > > > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 FBL- I must inform you that Sharath was the one who told me about using the pillow at night to help condition my body. I am assuming since he learned from PJ himself, and trains with him daily that he is a bit more experienced with this advice then you. I never said that this was "part of Ashtanga," I said it was a good way to prepare. And, by the way, it helped me tremendously, as well as others. I assumed the object of this board was for information and for encouragement. I don't see much encouragement from you, just alot of criticism. If you have children, i do hope you praise as much as you criticize. Have a nice day. Margee > > funkybadlady [sMTP:no_reply] > Friday, January 03, 2003 1:42 AM > ashtanga yoga > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and Padmasana... > > Miguel, > > This USED to be an Ashtanga Yoga message board, but now it > seems that there is very little Ashtanga going on and a lot of bad > advice. There is no pose in Ashtanga that involves sitting on a > pillow, and there is no need to do an added "counter pose" as > the resident quack yogini shakti has advised you to do. The > system of the primary series is a very good one and all you need > to do is follow the program as it is laid out. There are no pillows > used in Ashtanga. Just go as slow as you need to go to avoid > too much wear and tear on your knees as your hips will slowly > open up enough so your knees will not hurt in padmasana any > more. > > In the mean time sit with your legs crossed instead of > padmasana and practice the primary series. Eventually your > hips will open and your knees won't hurt any more. Forget about > the "pillow conditioning" and the crazy out of sequence pose > Quacky Shakti told you to do. Not necessary and heedless. > > If you don't do the correct method of Ashtanga, don't give advice > here without prefacing it with a disclaimer. > > FBL > > > > ashtanga yoga, "Gearhart, Margee" < > mgearhart@s...> wrote: > > Miguel- > > This is a very good pose for conditioning. It is uncomfortable > at first. > > Put a small pillow under your butt for leverage and try to sit like > that for > > a few minutes adding a few more minutes every few days. > After awhile you > > will be able to sit like that for awhile without any discomfort. > Like most > > things, it just takes time. > > Margee > > > > > > > > n3wskin <miguel_tereno@n...> > [sMTP:miguel_tereno@n...] > > > Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:02 PM > > > ashtanga yoga > > > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and Padmasana... > > > > > > Shakti, > > > > > > Thank you for the reply. Isn´t this the pose you are talking > about? > > > > > > <<http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/490_1.cfm>> > > > > > > I tried this one and it also hurts my knees, when I sit down. > > > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > ashtanga yoga, "Shakti Lalita > > > <Yogini_Shakti>" <Yogini_Shakti> wrote: > > > > Miguel wrote [[.. padmasana, it hurts on the knees. [snip] Is > > > there > > > > an easier alternate position?]] > > > > ** All joints - from small digits to huge balls - are points of > > > > injury. Proceed cautiously. Otherwise, an all too often, or > > > unknown > > > > counterpose to Padmasan is 'sitting warrior'. > > > > > > > > When the knees & hips are turned inwards in padmasan, > the > > > alternate, > > > > opposing movement must be addressed for affirmative > healing & > > > > recuperation. This countermove is 'sitting warrior; which > rotates > > > > the knee & hips in the opposite direction. Hence, Pose .. > > > > Counterpose. > > > > > > > > Sitting warrior is sitting with the legs to the sides of the > > > thighs, > > > > toes pointed backwards, tailbone on the earth. > > > > > > > > Om Shanti ... > > > > Shakti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > <<http://rd./M=234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/> > D=egroupweb/S=170506 > > > 0955:HM/A=1327985/R=0/*<http://ad.doubleclick.net/> > clk;4870024;7586687;x?htt > > > p://www.ameriquestmortgage.com/welcome.html?ad= > 01> > > > > > > <<http://us.adserver./l?M=> > 234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/D=egroupm > > > ail/S=:HM/A=1327985/rand=367158758> > > > > > > > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service > > > <<>>. > > > > > Sponsor > > > <http://rd./M=234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=170506 > 0955:HM/A=1327986/R=0/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4870027;7586687;a?htt > p://www.ameriquestmortgage.com/welcome.html?ad=01> > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=234081.2814790.4175286.1925585/D=egroupm > ail/S=:HM/A=1327986/rand=345683372> > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > Terms of Service > <>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Margee, I read the same thing about using a pillow for that particular pose to help in doing it progressively so the knees can adjust slowly. Susie FBL- I must inform you that Sharath was the one who told me about using the pillow at night to help condition my body. I am assuming since he learned from PJ himself, and trains with him daily that he is a bit more experienced with this advice then you. I never said that this was "part of Ashtanga," I said it was a good way to prepare. And, by the way, it helped me tremendously, as well as others. I assumed the object of this board was for information and for encouragement. I don't see much encouragement from you, just alot of criticism. If you have children, i do hope you praise as much as you criticize. Have a nice day. Margee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 That's what I do too, except with foam blocks-and over time I use fewer layers. In David Swenson's practice manual, which I really like, he devotes a page to the use of props: blocks, straps etc., and basically says do what works for you. He also compares various types of yoga to trees in the forest: "there are many different kinds but they are all reaching for the light". I'm against any rigid interpretation of Ashtanga or any other type of Yoga-It's *your* practice. But what do I know, I hurt my shoulder again...arrahh! I'm going to have to modify my practice for a while to let it heal properly i.e. I have to stay away from sun salutaions and vinyasas, so it will be a challenge to come up with something that resembles the primary series...A friend suggests this happened for a reason, and that was to get me more focused on the spiritual side instead of the gymnastics Namaste, Lawrence. --- Susie <asimser wrote: > Margee, > I read the same thing about using a pillow for that > particular > pose to help in doing it progressively so the knees > can adjust > slowly. > Susie > > FBL- > I must inform you that Sharath was the one who told > me about using the > pillow at night to help condition my body. > I am assuming since he learned from PJ himself, and > trains with him daily > that he is a bit more experienced with this advice > then you. I never said > that this was "part of Ashtanga," I said it was a > good way to prepare. > And, by the way, it helped me tremendously, as well > as others. > I assumed the object of this board was for > information and for > encouragement. I don't see much encouragement from > you, just alot of > criticism. If you have children, i do hope you > praise as much as you > criticize. > Have a nice day. > Margee > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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