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Yes Margee, I try to seat as much as possible with legs crossed so

my hips keep opening, although it´s hard to do so , for example

while I´m sitting at my computer desk. I might just get myself one

of those soft seats that don´t have arm or back rests (sorry I don´t

know what they´re called!) so I can sit with legs crossed more

often. I guess that would be a good idea.

 

Thanx!

 

 

ashtanga yoga, "Gearhart, Margee"

<mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> Miguel-

> I was not inferring that you use the pillow during your Ashtanga

practice,

> but rather at another time, say if you were watching tv and you

want to open

> your hip area and work on the knees. That is when placing a

pillow under

> the butt, while watching tv, will help you prepare for when you do

Ashtanga.

> Margee

>

> >

> > n3wskin <miguel_tereno@n...>

[sMTP:miguel_tereno@n...]

> > Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:35 AM

> > ashtanga yoga

> > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and Padmasana...

> >

> > In a way, I believe FBL is saying something correct, and that if

you

> > practise other poses you will *eventually* get into padmasana

> > without effort (since I´ma beginner) and what she said really

> > opened my eyes so I could see that I really need to practise the

> > first series, and when I want to meditate or do some bandhas, I

> > simply cross my legs (what I´ve already been doing). On the

other

> > hand, sure, why not just try and make ashtanga as smooth and

easy

> > as possible (given that we´re talking about a beginner), by

using

> > props?

> >

> > Thank you all for sharing your experiences, and peace!:))

> >

> > Miguel

> >

> >

> > ashtanga yoga, "Gearhart, Margee"

> > <mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > FBL-

> > > I must inform you that Sharath was the one who told me about

using

> > the

> > > pillow at night to help condition my body.

> > > I am assuming since he learned from PJ himself, and trains

with

> > him daily

> > > that he is a bit more experienced with this advice then you.

I

> > never said

> > > that this was "part of Ashtanga," I said it was a good way to

> > prepare.

> > > And, by the way, it helped me tremendously, as well as others.

> > > I assumed the object of this board was for information and for

> > > encouragement. I don't see much encouragement from you, just

alot

> > of

> > > criticism. If you have children, i do hope you praise as much

as

> > you

> > > criticize.

> > > Have a nice day.

> > > Margee

> > >

> > > >

> > > > funkybadlady [sMTP:no_reply]

> > > > Friday, January 03, 2003 1:42 AM

> > > > ashtanga yoga

> > > > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and Padmasana...

> > > >

> > > > Miguel,

> > > >

> > > > This USED to be an Ashtanga Yoga message board, but now it

> > > > seems that there is very little Ashtanga going on and a lot

of

> > bad

> > > > advice. There is no pose in Ashtanga that involves sitting

on a

> > > > pillow, and there is no need to do an added "counter pose"

as

> > > > the resident quack yogini shakti has advised you to do. The

> > > > system of the primary series is a very good one and all you

need

> > > > to do is follow the program as it is laid out. There are no

> > pillows

> > > > used in Ashtanga. Just go as slow as you need to go to

avoid

> > > > too much wear and tear on your knees as your hips will

slowly

> > > > open up enough so your knees will not hurt in padmasana any

> > > > more.

> > > >

> > > > In the mean time sit with your legs crossed instead of

> > > > padmasana and practice the primary series. Eventually your

> > > > hips will open and your knees won't hurt any more. Forget

about

> > > > the "pillow conditioning" and the crazy out of sequence

pose

> > > > Quacky Shakti told you to do. Not necessary and heedless.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't do the correct method of Ashtanga, don't give

> > advice

> > > > here without prefacing it with a disclaimer.

> > > >

> > > > FBL

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashtanga yoga, "Gearhart, Margee" <

> > > > mgearhart@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Miguel-

> > > > > This is a very good pose for conditioning. It is

> > uncomfortable

> > > > at first.

> > > > > Put a small pillow under your butt for leverage and try to

sit

> > like

> > > > that for

> > > > > a few minutes adding a few more minutes every few days.

> > > > After awhile you

> > > > > will be able to sit like that for awhile without any

> > discomfort.

> > > > Like most

> > > > > things, it just takes time.

> > > > > Margee

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > n3wskin <miguel_tereno@n...>

> > > > [sMTP:miguel_tereno@n...]

> > > > > > Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:02 PM

> > > > > > ashtanga yoga

> > > > > > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and

Padmasana...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shakti,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the reply. Isn´t this the pose you are

talking

> > > > about?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > << <http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/490_1.cfm>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I tried this one and it also hurts my knees, when I sit

down.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Miguel

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashtanga yoga, "Shakti Lalita

> > > > > > <Yogini_Shakti>" <Yogini_Shakti> wrote:

> > > > > > > Miguel wrote [[.. padmasana, it hurts on the knees.

[snip]

> > Is

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > an easier alternate position?]]

> > > > > > > ** All joints - from small digits to huge balls - are

> > points of

> > > > > > > injury. Proceed cautiously. Otherwise, an all too

often,

> > or

> > > > > > unknown

> > > > > > > counterpose to Padmasan is 'sitting warrior'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When the knees & hips are turned inwards in padmasan,

> > > > the

> > > > > > alternate,

> > > > > > > opposing movement must be addressed for affirmative

> > > > healing &

> > > > > > > recuperation. This countermove is 'sitting warrior;

which

> > > > rotates

> > > > > > > the knee & hips in the opposite direction. Hence,

Pose ..

> > > > > > > Counterpose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sitting warrior is sitting with the legs to the sides

of

> > the

> > > > > > thighs,

> > > > > > > toes pointed backwards, tailbone on the earth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Shanti ...

> > > > > > > Shakti

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Hello Margee,

I guess that was a funny way to phrase it. I mean

about the teacher being a prop. But that is what I

look to gain from props, when I use them, which is

less and less often now, a sense of how the asana

feels with correct alignment, or at least, improved

alignment. The only prop I use regularly now is the

wall in Sirsasana and I look forward to getting away

from that in the near future.

Love and Blessing, Ed

 

 

--- "Gearhart, Margee" <mgearhart wrote:

> No, I do not feel that the teacher is a "prop."

> They are someone who when adjusting you, helps your

> body to feel the proper alignment of the asana.

> With the slight adjustments, or even at times the

> more difficult adjustments, they can help you push

> yourself just a bit more to your edge and when that

> is taking place your body will have the opportunity

> to imprint the feel of the asana. Your body will

> know the next time you do that particular asana how

> it should feel and you can adjust yourself then. I

> hope I am making myself clear on that.

> Again, as others have stated, just do the practice

> daily, without props, and to the best of your

> ability. That is all it is about. You will improve

> and it will get easier.

> Good luck

> Margee

>

> >

> > edvannoy <edvannoy

> [sMTP:edvannoy]

> > Saturday, January 04, 2003 4:44 AM

> > ashtanga yoga

> > ashtanga yoga Re: Beginner and

> Padmasana...

> >

> > Hello Everyone,

> > I sent this to Miguel earlier. I had meant to

> post it to the

> > group. As you will see, I am new to Ashtanga.

> You will also see

> > that I am not an Ashtanga Purist. As to props,

> when they are

> > helpful and help avoid injury they are good

> things. The full pose

> > is always the most comfortable way of being in an

> Asana, but getting

> > half way into a pose can be uncomfortable. If a

> prop helps you hold

> > a pose comfortably, with better alignment than you

> could achieve

> > otherwise, use it. As soon as it become

> unnecessary it should be

> > dropped. Remember that there are approximations

> of the Asanas that

> > require no props, so if you can do one of these

> you don't need a

> > prop, indeed the prop is then in the way. Props

> also interfere with

> > the smooth flow of Vinyasa and Vinyasa is key to

> Ashtanga.

> > One final comment, I understand that in the

> Mysore classes the

> > teacher does a lot of hands on adjustments.

> People talk about being

> > put into, and taken out, of the Asanas. Isn't that

> using the teacher

> > as a kind of prop?

> > Love and Blessing, Ed

> >

> > Here is the letter I mentioned above.

> >

> > Hi Miguel,

> > I read Shakti Lalita's answer to your question.

> I

> > would add that if this pose is too hard on your

> knees

> > you can put a small cushion or yoga block under

> your

> > sit bones to take some of the strain off your

> knees.

> >

> > As to books. Yes, I know the Larry Shultz

> manual at

> > itsyoga.com. I have it tacked up along the wall

> near

> > the ceiling in my Yoga room. I don't think it is

> > enough for someone new to Yoga, Ashtanga Yoga in

> > particular. I have been relying on The videos of

> > David Swenson and his book. They are excellent,

> in my

> > opinion. I especially appreciate the book. I saw

> the

> > video first and that was my introduction to

> Astanga.

> > I would not have been able to grasp the vinyasa

> > without at least seeing it. Prior to that I did

> yoga

> > Sivananda style. My last good run of practice was

> > longer ago than I care to think about. My current

> > practice is about six months old now. I started

> with

> > Sivananda style sun salutations. I had to start

> slow

> > since I am not twenty-two. I am forty-three. I

> was

> > so stiff in the neck that it was becoming

> dangerous to

> > drive. I couldn't turn my head fast enough.

> Shortly

> > after I started I was introduced to Ashtanga by a

> > friend who had done some Ashtanga while in Bali.

> I

> > feel thousands of times better now. I do the

> Primary

> > Series at least a couple of times a week and one

> of

> > David Swenson's short forms on other days. Some

> days

> > I do asanas have practiced in the past. You are

> very

> > lucky to be starting Ashtanga so young. You

> should

> > look at Yoga as something you will be doing the

> rest

> > of your life. Therefore there is no hurry to get

> into

> > Padmasana. You will be sitting in Padmasana for

> fifty

> > or sixty years. For now, take it to a stretch

> that>

> > is tight, but not too tight. Hold it there, do

> Ujayi

> > Breath, Inhale into length, Exhale deeper into the

> > pose.

> >

> > I have several other Ashtanga books as well as a

> lot

> > of other Yoga books form other traditions. The

> first

> > book I got was Beryl Bender Bitch's Power Yoga.

> It

> > was pretty good, but I like Swenson's book better.

> I

> > also have Jois' Yoga Mala. I have just dipped

> into it

> > so far. I have gotten a lot out of all I have

> read.

> > More the philosophy behind Ashtanga than help with

> the

> > physical practice which is not to say that there

> are

> > not precise discussions of the asanas in the book.

> It

> > is just that I don't think they would help me do

> them

> > without already knowing how to do them. I expect

> this

> > book to help bring my understanding of the Asanas

> to

> > maturity.

> > In the meantime the Swenson book is my bible

> for

> > practice. I think his asanas are things of beauty

> and

> > the approximations of the asanas for people like

> > myself who can't get all the way into many of the

> > asanas are wonderful. He has a lot of advice for

> > beginners.

> > One thing I would like to stress is that you

> should

> > really do your best to get some qualified

> instruction.

> > Find someone to show you how to do sun

> salutations.

> > Without those you won't know how to do the

> vinyasa,

> > the connecting movements. If you can find a class

> or

> > something, even better.

> > The bandhas don't require Padmasana though it

> > requires the bandhas, as all the asanas do. You

> are

> > right that the bandhas are easer to do in

> Padmasana.

> > And they are very beneficial when they are used

> while

> > in Padmasana. For now get as close as you

> comfortably

> > can. Watch your breath. If it is even and deep

> your

> > asana is more than likely okay. If it is ragged,

> if

> > you hold your breath, you have gone too far into

> the

> > pose and had better back off to a more comfortable

> > position. Enjoy that for a while. Always do your

> > poses in the moment. Not what you want to do, not

> what

> > you think you ought to be able to do, not what you

> did

> > yesterday, go into the pose with full attention to

> the

> > body at that moment.

> > I have just now taken a look at the Larry

> Shultz

> > manual again and it is more detailed than I

> remember

> > it being. It should be very helpful to you. I

> still

> > recommend getting Swenson's book and videos.

>

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