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Namaste Yogi's,

 

I am practicing Ashtanga Primary series since the past three months and I have

noticed that during my practice my back is absolutely fine; neither I feel the

pain nor soreness. After sometime of completing the practice, I have a sore

feeling in the lower back. I feel it when I bend or twist my back during the

day.

Is it quiet common to have this sore feeling in the beginning of practice? Or am

I doing something wrong!?

If any knowledgable and experienced persons could address my concern, it would

be of great help.

 

Namaste,

Paul

 

 

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

 

Topics in this digest:

 

1. Practice in Montreal

"Kelly Mitchell"

2. Heat...

"craghopper2003"

3. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

"Beth"

4. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

"Eskil Schilling"

5. YogaForYoga Project - Request for teachers

dahaus

6. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

abulafia3000

7. Re: Heat...

"lashannasmall"

8. *Slipping* into poses

"zekes7"

9. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

debra bobier

 

 

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Message: 1

Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:27:31 -0000

"Kelly Mitchell"

Practice in Montreal

 

Hi..

I'm relocated to Montreal in a few weeks to attend the TTC in

Ashtanga yoga. I'm wondering about advice on finding housing while

there. Anyone here know of any yoginis or yogis in need of a roomie?

 

Namaste,

k.

 

 

 

 

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Message: 2

Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:59:29 -0000

"craghopper2003"

Heat...

 

Hi all

 

I don't seem to be able to generate the same heat/persiration that \I

did when first beginning Ashtanga. I am very new to this style and

was fascinated to see how much detoxing was going on, but as I say I

don't seem to be able to replicate this.

 

Regards

 

Tony...

 

 

 

 

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Message: 3

Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:45:39 -0000

"Beth"

Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

 

Thank you, everyone, for posting their knee injury experiences!

 

I had exactly the same injury, left collateral ligament and maybe

more, putting right arm through in garbhapindasana a week ago. Be

wary of this pose! I've never had any knee injuries or problems, and

wasn't doing anything that was hurting or pushing into the pose at

all, and was in fact having a great practice that day. Suddenly I

heard a sickening but painless ripping!

Do you know when exercise experts say you can tell the difference

between a normal type of stretching and an injury? What a way to find

out!

 

It didn't hurt or get swollen at all when it happened, but it hurts

now. Judging from everyone's experiences, it's going to take a while

to heal.

 

I called my brother, a physical therapist, for advice. At first he

jokingly recommended amputation from the hip down, but after

explaining garbhapindasana to him, he changed the recommendation to

amputation from the shoulders up! His real recommendation was to rest

for about a week, ice it, advil, and go to the doctor if it wasn't a

lot better in a few weeks. He also recommended isometrics,

contracting the quads and hamstrings at the same time, which is

exactly what you are doing in a lot of the standing poses. Of course,

my practice will continue, incorporating knees in a much more

sensitive way..

 

Anu, what do you mean by the ligament getting infected? Do you mean

something that requires antibiotics? How often does this happen? It

sounds bad.

 

Best wishes, Annie! Thanks for posting this topic.

 

Beth

 

ashtanga yoga, Anu wrote:

> Hi Annie,

> I might have (had) the same kind of problem for last six months. I

hurt my left knee in garbhapindasana so that the fibular collateral

ligament got maybe strapped too much and infected. The pain spread

all the way to the ancle and has been very difficult to cure.

> As yours, my knee got better and worse from day to another and I

couldn't make sense of it. I tried to massage it after every practice

with oil, kept it warm or gave cold showers but nothig seemed to

help. In the beginnig, all I could practice were the standing poses

and slowly, after a month or so, I started getting down to the

sitting poses but very carefully. Strangely enough, I could sometimes

do padmasana as well! I avoided to go down in the ardha baddha

padmottanasana for five whole months and had to be very very careful

with tiryangmukhaikapada paschimatasana and janu sirsasanas.

> I was quite desperate but then I found a way that started the

healing process - swimmig. Try swimming first carefully or just

making propulsive both horisontal and vertical movements under water.

Those helped me remarkably. I also avoided eating garlic, onion,

chilipepper, white sugar and various heat generating food.

> My knee is much better now and I have started to do all the asanas

properly again, except the garbhapindasana, which I do without

slipping my arms through my legs. I have also worked a lot with

opening my hips in order to avoid any kind of knee injure in future,

because I think that was the real reason for the whole trouble.

>

> Don't loose your hope. I've suffered various small injuries during

my practice. I can say that nothing has come for free in the famous

opening process (shouldes, wrists, right knee, back ecc.) but

everything has passed and been cured. Particularly, this knee problem

made me quite hopeless, but then again, I just had to be patient and

trusting.

>

> Good luck!

> Anu

>

> Annie Gurton wrote:

> Hiya all - Can anyone offer me some advice please?

> I damaged my right knee in Ardha Baddha Padmottanhasana about 6

> months ago, and the injury seems to improve, get better, and then

> get worse, and each time even worse than it was before. Overall,

> there is a definite decline in the integrity of the joint.

> I think its a ligament.

> I can't bend the knee very much, I can't squat, I can't do any of

> the seated postures which involve a bent knee which of course means

> most of them (although, strangely, I can sometimes do padmasama.)

> I've tried resting it, but it doesn't seem to really get better.

> I've tried to 'work it through' and ignore it but that definitely

> makes it worse.

> I've worked out that it likes to be rested, elevated, and strapped

> up, and I do all those things, but nothing seems to really repair

it.

>

> Can anyone offer any general advice on its management, and specific

> advice on how to get it better?

> I have a nasty feeling that it is always going to be like this, and

> as it obviously seriously restricts my practice, that is a real

> bummer!

> Many TIA, Annie

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Message: 4

Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:42:41 +0200

"Eskil Schilling"

Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

 

Hi Annie

 

Yes that's really a bummer, when you cant do the practice, only good is you get

a chance to practice detachment :o). Anyway, I also had problems, not with my

knee, but my ankle and wrist. Cold water worked very well, warm water was making

it worse. But another thing that really worked well was a lot´s of linseed oil,

which have a high content of omega-3 fatty acids. They really work wheel with

any infection in the body, and many internal damaged are actually some kind of

infected tissue. I put it in yoghurt, on bread in salads or smooties. 1 - 2

tablespoons a day should do it. If you eat fish, you get lots of it from fatty

fish, or you can pop some fish oil capsules. Other sources are canola oil or

walnut oil. With all oils apply the same rules; only buy the cold processed

oils, and keep then cool and dark. And remember that linseed and walnut oil

cannot be heated in any way.

 

 

 

Become well soon

 

Siva

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> Annie Gurton wrote:

> Hiya all - Can anyone offer me some advice please?

> I damaged my right knee in Ardha Baddha Padmottanhasana about 6

> months ago, and the injury seems to improve, get better, and then

> get worse, and each time even worse than it was before. Overall,

> there is a definite decline in the integrity of the joint.

> I think its a ligament.

> I can't bend the knee very much, I can't squat, I can't do any of

> the seated postures which involve a bent knee which of course means

> most of them (although, strangely, I can sometimes do padmasama.)

> I've tried resting it, but it doesn't seem to really get better.

> I've tried to 'work it through' and ignore it but that definitely

> makes it worse.

> I've worked out that it likes to be rested, elevated, and strapped

> up, and I do all those things, but nothing seems to really repair it.

>

> Can anyone offer any general advice on its management, and specific

> advice on how to get it better?

> I have a nasty feeling that it is always going to be like this, and

> as it obviously seriously restricts my practice, that is a real

> bummer!

> Many TIA, Annie

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Message: 5

Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:28:39 -0000

dahaus

YogaForYoga Project - Request for teachers

 

Namaste.

 

I started a project called for YogaForYoga. YogaForYoga is a community proj=

ect

dedicated to providing free classes for everyone in the physical healing ar=

ts such as

yoga, meditation, and qi gong. The nature of the YogaForYoga Project is to=

provide a

space where a community of people can meet, share knowledge and practice in=

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supported environment.

 

The first week of classes begin on September 8th and runs through September=

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from 6am to 8am, Monday through Friday at the Cultural Integration Fellowsh=

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Building located in San Francisco at Fulton and 3rd Ave in the Richmond dis=

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Cultural Integration Fellowship has generously donated the first space to p=

ractice in

the mornings. Check them out here: http://www.culturalintegration.org

 

I invite you and your friends to attend classes!

 

Please bring your own mat, props, towels, and cushions for the classes.

 

 

We need your help!

We are looking for all kinds of teachers to teach during the week, and if t=

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This is an opportunity to share your knowledge, gain new students, and mani=

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teaching, please do not hesitate to contact me: Michael Sands

Email: yogaforyoga and /or your can call me at: 415.246.5000

 

 

Current schedule for the week of September 8th – September 12th:

 

MONDAY Led Ashtanga Yoga– Basic 1st series with/ Michael Sands

TUESDAY Meditation – Michael Sands

WEDNESDAY Qi Gong – Angela Lee

THURSDAY Iyengar Yoga – Monica Desai

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Peace.M>

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 6

Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:38:26 -0400

abulafia3000

Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

 

 

I'm looking for an Ashtanga , house hold for a rooming /apartment share

situation, in the New York area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 7

Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:26:02 -0000

"lashannasmall"

Re: Heat...

 

It could be several things. I'll start with the most obvious aspect

of room temp. Make sure to cut the air conditioner off when you

practice. If their are other people in the house, open the window

in your practice room. If you are not holding mula and uddiyana

bandha(I'm sure I spelled those wrong, but too lazy to look it up)

and breathing continuously throuhout the practice, you can loose

heat. The actual physical poses may be getting easier for you and

the heat you experianced at first may have been from sheer exertion

alone. Now that the postions are coming easier, you are loosing

that exertion heat. That is where concentration, bandhas and

breathing come in. They will keep the heat up. Also make sure that

you are practicing awareness when you do your poses. Your body and

your mind should not be lazy. Everything should be involved in the

practice. Dont forget the drishti.

 

I know that in my practice, the minute I loose concentration, I

loose heat. Keep your focus and you should get your heat back.

 

 

 

 

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Message: 8

Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:38:33 -0000

"zekes7"

*Slipping* into poses

 

I am starting to *slip* into some of the more difficult poses; so

far, only padmasana :), but I have a dull aching pain in my left

buttock (no pun intended). As I recall the ancient history of the

area, I recall injurying it in football practice in high school and

reinjuring it in the spring during a state track meet. If I am

visiting this old (40 yr reunion coming up!)injury, then how do I

make an adjustment and heal this? It is clear that this is a muscle

underlying the glute. It is not exactly painful, just aches. I get

some relief when I stretch forward. It warms up and starts to itch,

but I can't seem to reach the muscle and manipulate it. Any

suggestions and what muscle am I probably working with if it is not a

major muscle like the gluteus??

 

 

 

 

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Message: 9

Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT)

debra bobier

Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please

 

Hi Annie,

 

Sorry about your knee(s). It certainly forces you to

make changes in your practice. I was a runner which

destroyed my knees. When the arthritis is especially

bad I can barely bend the knee. The standing poses

have helped strengthen my quads and have helped the

knees a lot. Of course lotus and many other asanas

will elude me but this simply isn't important. I do

the ashtanga primary series most days, modifying the

asanas to my body and where it is that day. I gently

coax myself deeper if I can, while staying attentive,

using the breath and bandhas and practicing

mindfulness at all times. To me these things are as

equally important as the asanas. And I don't feel I

have to be an acrobat to have a fulfilling yoga

practice. I have actually been injured by over zealous

adjusters. I really feel when your body is ready to

open it will, through the breath not through force so

that is the way I approach my practice. Over the years

I have learned to accept my limitations and respect my

body. This has kept my practice fun and interesting

and something I continue to look forward to. It also

has kept me fairly injury free. However, on a more

practical note. I just arrived home from Asia and

after 34 hours of traveling, both of my knees were

very swollen, especially the left one. This isn't

unusual. But they were much larger than normal. It

took two over 2 weeks to get the swelling to come

down. What I did:

 

1) Iced, iced, iced. No heat for 3 days then I

alternated. I couldn't practice, it hurt to badly so

lying on my back I would gently raise and lower the

legs helping to naturally drain the fluid. And when I

could I moved into gently squats, nothing to deep.

 

2) I found some cream called EMU. This also had

glucosamine in it. It helped, too. As does glucosamine

in pill form.

 

3) Advil for inflammation.

 

4) One baby aspirin per day to keep the blood thin.

 

I already take Omega 3 oils, c and e which also help.

 

Not sure if I've offered up anything not covered but

since this something I have to deal with every day

wanted to offer what I could. Hope it helps.

 

YogaBound.com Deb

 

--- Eskil Schilling wrote:

> Hi Annie

>

> Yes that's really a bummer, when you cant do the

> practice, only good is you get a chance to practice

> detachment :o). Anyway, I also had problems, not

> with my knee, but my ankle and wrist. Cold water

> worked very well, warm water was making it worse.

> But another thing that really worked well was a

> lot´s of linseed oil, which have a high content of

> omega-3 fatty acids. They really work wheel with any

> infection in the body, and many internal damaged are

> actually some kind of infected tissue. I put it in

> yoghurt, on bread in salads or smooties. 1 - 2

> tablespoons a day should do it. If you eat fish, you

> get lots of it from fatty fish, or you can pop some

> fish oil capsules. Other sources are canola oil or

> walnut oil. With all oils apply the same rules; only

> buy the cold processed oils, and keep then cool and

> dark. And remember that linseed and walnut oil

> cannot be heated in any way.

>

>

>

> Become well soon

>

> Siva

>

> >

> > Annie Gurton wrote:

> > Hiya all - Can anyone offer me some advice please?

>

> > I damaged my right knee in Ardha Baddha

> Padmottanhasana about 6

> > months ago, and the injury seems to improve, get

> better, and then

> > get worse, and each time even worse than it was

> before. Overall,

 

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