Guest guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Namaste Yogi's, I am practicing Ashtanga Primary series since the past three months and I have noticed that during my practice my back is absolutely fine; neither I feel the pain nor soreness. After sometime of completing the practice, I have a sore feeling in the lower back. I feel it when I bend or twist my back during the day. Is it quiet common to have this sore feeling in the beginning of practice? Or am I doing something wrong!? If any knowledgable and experienced persons could address my concern, it would be of great help. Namaste, Paul ashtanga yoga wrote: ashtanga yoga ------ There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Practice in Montreal "Kelly Mitchell" 2. Heat... "craghopper2003" 3. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please "Beth" 4. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please "Eskil Schilling" 5. YogaForYoga Project - Request for teachers dahaus 6. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please abulafia3000 7. Re: Heat... "lashannasmall" 8. *Slipping* into poses "zekes7" 9. Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please debra bobier ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:27:31 -0000 "Kelly Mitchell" Practice in Montreal Hi.. I'm relocated to Montreal in a few weeks to attend the TTC in Ashtanga yoga. I'm wondering about advice on finding housing while there. Anyone here know of any yoginis or yogis in need of a roomie? Namaste, k. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:59:29 -0000 "craghopper2003" Heat... Hi all I don't seem to be able to generate the same heat/persiration that \I did when first beginning Ashtanga. I am very new to this style and was fascinated to see how much detoxing was going on, but as I say I don't seem to be able to replicate this. Regards Tony... ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:45:39 -0000 "Beth" Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please Thank you, everyone, for posting their knee injury experiences! I had exactly the same injury, left collateral ligament and maybe more, putting right arm through in garbhapindasana a week ago. Be wary of this pose! I've never had any knee injuries or problems, and wasn't doing anything that was hurting or pushing into the pose at all, and was in fact having a great practice that day. Suddenly I heard a sickening but painless ripping! Do you know when exercise experts say you can tell the difference between a normal type of stretching and an injury? What a way to find out! It didn't hurt or get swollen at all when it happened, but it hurts now. Judging from everyone's experiences, it's going to take a while to heal. I called my brother, a physical therapist, for advice. At first he jokingly recommended amputation from the hip down, but after explaining garbhapindasana to him, he changed the recommendation to amputation from the shoulders up! His real recommendation was to rest for about a week, ice it, advil, and go to the doctor if it wasn't a lot better in a few weeks. He also recommended isometrics, contracting the quads and hamstrings at the same time, which is exactly what you are doing in a lot of the standing poses. Of course, my practice will continue, incorporating knees in a much more sensitive way.. Anu, what do you mean by the ligament getting infected? Do you mean something that requires antibiotics? How often does this happen? It sounds bad. Best wishes, Annie! Thanks for posting this topic. Beth ashtanga yoga, Anu wrote: > Hi Annie, > I might have (had) the same kind of problem for last six months. I hurt my left knee in garbhapindasana so that the fibular collateral ligament got maybe strapped too much and infected. The pain spread all the way to the ancle and has been very difficult to cure. > As yours, my knee got better and worse from day to another and I couldn't make sense of it. I tried to massage it after every practice with oil, kept it warm or gave cold showers but nothig seemed to help. In the beginnig, all I could practice were the standing poses and slowly, after a month or so, I started getting down to the sitting poses but very carefully. Strangely enough, I could sometimes do padmasana as well! I avoided to go down in the ardha baddha padmottanasana for five whole months and had to be very very careful with tiryangmukhaikapada paschimatasana and janu sirsasanas. > I was quite desperate but then I found a way that started the healing process - swimmig. Try swimming first carefully or just making propulsive both horisontal and vertical movements under water. Those helped me remarkably. I also avoided eating garlic, onion, chilipepper, white sugar and various heat generating food. > My knee is much better now and I have started to do all the asanas properly again, except the garbhapindasana, which I do without slipping my arms through my legs. I have also worked a lot with opening my hips in order to avoid any kind of knee injure in future, because I think that was the real reason for the whole trouble. > > Don't loose your hope. I've suffered various small injuries during my practice. I can say that nothing has come for free in the famous opening process (shouldes, wrists, right knee, back ecc.) but everything has passed and been cured. Particularly, this knee problem made me quite hopeless, but then again, I just had to be patient and trusting. > > Good luck! > Anu > > Annie Gurton wrote: > Hiya all - Can anyone offer me some advice please? > I damaged my right knee in Ardha Baddha Padmottanhasana about 6 > months ago, and the injury seems to improve, get better, and then > get worse, and each time even worse than it was before. Overall, > there is a definite decline in the integrity of the joint. > I think its a ligament. > I can't bend the knee very much, I can't squat, I can't do any of > the seated postures which involve a bent knee which of course means > most of them (although, strangely, I can sometimes do padmasama.) > I've tried resting it, but it doesn't seem to really get better. > I've tried to 'work it through' and ignore it but that definitely > makes it worse. > I've worked out that it likes to be rested, elevated, and strapped > up, and I do all those things, but nothing seems to really repair it. > > Can anyone offer any general advice on its management, and specific > advice on how to get it better? > I have a nasty feeling that it is always going to be like this, and > as it obviously seriously restricts my practice, that is a real > bummer! > Many TIA, Annie > > > > Sponsor > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:42:41 +0200 "Eskil Schilling" Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please Hi Annie Yes that's really a bummer, when you cant do the practice, only good is you get a chance to practice detachment ). Anyway, I also had problems, not with my knee, but my ankle and wrist. Cold water worked very well, warm water was making it worse. But another thing that really worked well was a lot´s of linseed oil, which have a high content of omega-3 fatty acids. They really work wheel with any infection in the body, and many internal damaged are actually some kind of infected tissue. I put it in yoghurt, on bread in salads or smooties. 1 - 2 tablespoons a day should do it. If you eat fish, you get lots of it from fatty fish, or you can pop some fish oil capsules. Other sources are canola oil or walnut oil. With all oils apply the same rules; only buy the cold processed oils, and keep then cool and dark. And remember that linseed and walnut oil cannot be heated in any way. Become well soon Siva > > Annie Gurton wrote: > Hiya all - Can anyone offer me some advice please? > I damaged my right knee in Ardha Baddha Padmottanhasana about 6 > months ago, and the injury seems to improve, get better, and then > get worse, and each time even worse than it was before. Overall, > there is a definite decline in the integrity of the joint. > I think its a ligament. > I can't bend the knee very much, I can't squat, I can't do any of > the seated postures which involve a bent knee which of course means > most of them (although, strangely, I can sometimes do padmasama.) > I've tried resting it, but it doesn't seem to really get better. > I've tried to 'work it through' and ignore it but that definitely > makes it worse. > I've worked out that it likes to be rested, elevated, and strapped > up, and I do all those things, but nothing seems to really repair it. > > Can anyone offer any general advice on its management, and specific > advice on how to get it better? > I have a nasty feeling that it is always going to be like this, and > as it obviously seriously restricts my practice, that is a real > bummer! > Many TIA, Annie > > > > Sponsor > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashtanga yoga > > > > Your use of is subject to > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:28:39 -0000 dahaus YogaForYoga Project - Request for teachers Namaste. I started a project called for YogaForYoga. YogaForYoga is a community proj= ect dedicated to providing free classes for everyone in the physical healing ar= ts such as yoga, meditation, and qi gong. The nature of the YogaForYoga Project is to= provide a space where a community of people can meet, share knowledge and practice in= a supported environment. The first week of classes begin on September 8th and runs through September= 12th from 6am to 8am, Monday through Friday at the Cultural Integration Fellowsh= ip Building located in San Francisco at Fulton and 3rd Ave in the Richmond dis= trict. The Cultural Integration Fellowship has generously donated the first space to p= ractice in the mornings. Check them out here: http://www.culturalintegration.org I invite you and your friends to attend classes! Please bring your own mat, props, towels, and cushions for the classes. We need your help! We are looking for all kinds of teachers to teach during the week, and if t= he project is successful – we will need more teachers to continue teaching on an ongoing = basis. This is an opportunity to share your knowledge, gain new students, and mani= fest a supported practice of your art in the community. The project is open to all= kinds of physical healing arts and styles. Please email me if you have concerns or q= uestions! If you are interested in teaching, or know of someone who might be interested = in teaching, please do not hesitate to contact me: Michael Sands Email: yogaforyoga and /or your can call me at: 415.246.5000 Current schedule for the week of September 8th – September 12th: MONDAY Led Ashtanga Yoga– Basic 1st series with/ Michael Sands TUESDAY Meditation – Michael Sands WEDNESDAY Qi Gong – Angela Lee THURSDAY Iyengar Yoga – Monica Desai FRIDAY Meditation – Michael Sands My days are flexible for teachers who want to teach! This is for and about = the community. If anyone is available to share and teach on Monday, Tuesday, or= Friday, let me know. As the project grows, teachers and students will continue to c= reate and grow the curriculum. There is a Group's page for the YogaForYoga Project calendar, messag= es, schedule, group discussion, etc… @ yogaforyog= a/ So please feel free to join, post messages, and browse the calendar. Please feel free to forward this email to anyone who might be interested! Thank you so much for your love and support. Please feel free to email me w= ith any questions, concerns, possibilities, and love. Peace.M> ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:38:26 -0400 abulafia3000 Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please I'm looking for an Ashtanga , house hold for a rooming /apartment share situation, in the New York area. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:26:02 -0000 "lashannasmall" Re: Heat... It could be several things. I'll start with the most obvious aspect of room temp. Make sure to cut the air conditioner off when you practice. If their are other people in the house, open the window in your practice room. If you are not holding mula and uddiyana bandha(I'm sure I spelled those wrong, but too lazy to look it up) and breathing continuously throuhout the practice, you can loose heat. The actual physical poses may be getting easier for you and the heat you experianced at first may have been from sheer exertion alone. Now that the postions are coming easier, you are loosing that exertion heat. That is where concentration, bandhas and breathing come in. They will keep the heat up. Also make sure that you are practicing awareness when you do your poses. Your body and your mind should not be lazy. Everything should be involved in the practice. Dont forget the drishti. I know that in my practice, the minute I loose concentration, I loose heat. Keep your focus and you should get your heat back. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 8 Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:38:33 -0000 "zekes7" *Slipping* into poses I am starting to *slip* into some of the more difficult poses; so far, only padmasana , but I have a dull aching pain in my left buttock (no pun intended). As I recall the ancient history of the area, I recall injurying it in football practice in high school and reinjuring it in the spring during a state track meet. If I am visiting this old (40 yr reunion coming up!)injury, then how do I make an adjustment and heal this? It is clear that this is a muscle underlying the glute. It is not exactly painful, just aches. I get some relief when I stretch forward. It warms up and starts to itch, but I can't seem to reach the muscle and manipulate it. Any suggestions and what muscle am I probably working with if it is not a major muscle like the gluteus?? ______________________ ______________________ Message: 9 Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT) debra bobier Re: HELP - Knee injury - advice please Hi Annie, Sorry about your knee(s). It certainly forces you to make changes in your practice. I was a runner which destroyed my knees. When the arthritis is especially bad I can barely bend the knee. The standing poses have helped strengthen my quads and have helped the knees a lot. Of course lotus and many other asanas will elude me but this simply isn't important. I do the ashtanga primary series most days, modifying the asanas to my body and where it is that day. I gently coax myself deeper if I can, while staying attentive, using the breath and bandhas and practicing mindfulness at all times. To me these things are as equally important as the asanas. And I don't feel I have to be an acrobat to have a fulfilling yoga practice. I have actually been injured by over zealous adjusters. I really feel when your body is ready to open it will, through the breath not through force so that is the way I approach my practice. Over the years I have learned to accept my limitations and respect my body. This has kept my practice fun and interesting and something I continue to look forward to. It also has kept me fairly injury free. However, on a more practical note. I just arrived home from Asia and after 34 hours of traveling, both of my knees were very swollen, especially the left one. This isn't unusual. But they were much larger than normal. It took two over 2 weeks to get the swelling to come down. What I did: 1) Iced, iced, iced. No heat for 3 days then I alternated. I couldn't practice, it hurt to badly so lying on my back I would gently raise and lower the legs helping to naturally drain the fluid. And when I could I moved into gently squats, nothing to deep. 2) I found some cream called EMU. This also had glucosamine in it. It helped, too. As does glucosamine in pill form. 3) Advil for inflammation. 4) One baby aspirin per day to keep the blood thin. I already take Omega 3 oils, c and e which also help. Not sure if I've offered up anything not covered but since this something I have to deal with every day wanted to offer what I could. Hope it helps. YogaBound.com Deb --- Eskil Schilling wrote: > Hi Annie > > Yes that's really a bummer, when you cant do the > practice, only good is you get a chance to practice > detachment ). Anyway, I also had problems, not > with my knee, but my ankle and wrist. Cold water > worked very well, warm water was making it worse. > But another thing that really worked well was a > lot´s of linseed oil, which have a high content of > omega-3 fatty acids. They really work wheel with any > infection in the body, and many internal damaged are > actually some kind of infected tissue. I put it in > yoghurt, on bread in salads or smooties. 1 - 2 > tablespoons a day should do it. If you eat fish, you > get lots of it from fatty fish, or you can pop some > fish oil capsules. Other sources are canola oil or > walnut oil. With all oils apply the same rules; only > buy the cold processed oils, and keep then cool and > dark. And remember that linseed and walnut oil > cannot be heated in any way. > > > > Become well soon > > Siva > > > > > Annie Gurton wrote: > > Hiya all - Can anyone offer me some advice please? > > > I damaged my right knee in Ardha Baddha > Padmottanhasana about 6 > > months ago, and the injury seems to improve, get > better, and then > > get worse, and each time even worse than it was > before. Overall, === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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