Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 It wasn't clear to me what you meant by 5 seconds per breath. Did you mean 2.5 seconds per inhale and 2.5 seconds per exhale or did you mean 5 seconds per inhale and 5 seconds per exhale? If you stay 5 seconds for the inhale and exhale, then it's 10 seconds per breath. Which means each pose is 50 seconds. andrew -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= andrew bartelt - abartelt - 281.236.9522 computers - ABcomputerSolutions.com yoga - YOGAndrew.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 hey lu!! very intrasting comment........... i think that once you are in touch with your satguru you cant go wrong....the problem is that many people are not in touch with that kind of awarness or at least they dont trust it. So we turn to an outward guru like mr jois who tells us what to do rither than him teaching us to trust in what we feel. thats just my take on it anywho..... chris ) --- lu_38_de <no_reply> wrote: > Hi, > there is the advice, to count in every pose up to 5 > breaths. If doing > so, you are about 20-30 seconds in nearly every > pose. I've made the > exprience, after forget the counting and only > concentrate on the > propper alignment, first I was much more longer in > the pose, second > it was much more effective, the breath was going > very free (to tell > the truth I wonder if I doing Iyengar on > Ashtanga-basis...?! hell). > This is a very interesting subject, it was "some > years ago" here in > discussion also, but without a solution. What are > your experiences > about the duration you "rest", "live" and breath in > every asana? > Could you really enjoy it, could you feel your body > and energy > moving, if you only rest there for about 30 seconds? > Sometimes it > looks for me like a "rush-hour-yoga". > I remember a video from Sarah Powers (class on > Hawai), where she let > the class stay in the poses much longer than only 5 > breats. > (I also contemplate the subject of the most > effective way for the > body to breath. If you should breath very deep and > smooth, it's not > possible to combine it with the way of the 1st > series like we're > doing imo.).Lu > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 So why is it a "problem" if other people are not on such a high level of awareness as you are? It is not a problem for them, and if you have reached such as pinnacle of self awareness and spiritual development as you proclaim, then it is my guess that it would not be a problem for you either. And why is following the "outward" instructions of a good teacher a sign of inability to listen to one's instincts? I think it is a sign of discipline and character. What you are talking about is arrogance and self-interest. If you think that is what yoga is, great. If you don't already have a sense of self, it is very difficult to take instruction from someone, be teachable and have humility. One develops great discipline and mind control by following directions. If you are self absorbed it is really difficult to believe that anyone can actually help you. True humility is knowing that only God can do for you what you cannot do for yourself. God works through other people, and everyone needs help. So pick a smart person to take direction from. A person who only listens to their own advice has a fool for a teacher. Why do you post on this board if you don't want to learn Ashtanga from Pattabhi Jois? I really don't understand. If your instincts are to do some other system of yoga, then go do it. FBL ashtanga yoga, Chris Smith < jivamuktiguy> wrote: > hey lu!! > > very intrasting comment........... > > i think that once you are in touch with your satguru > you cant go wrong....the problem is that many people > are not in touch with that kind of awarness or at > least they dont trust it. So we turn to an outward > guru like mr jois who tells us what to do rither than > him teaching us to trust in what we feel. > > thats just my take on it anywho..... > > chris ) > --- lu_38_de <no_reply> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is the advice, to count in every pose up to 5 > > breaths. If doing > > so, you are about 20-30 seconds in nearly every > > pose. I've made the > > exprience, after forget the counting and only > > concentrate on the > > propper alignment, first I was much more longer in > > the pose, second > > it was much more effective, the breath was going > > very free (to tell > > the truth I wonder if I doing Iyengar on > > Ashtanga-basis...?! hell). > > This is a very interesting subject, it was "some > > years ago" here in > > discussion also, but without a solution. What are > > your experiences > > about the duration you "rest", "live" and breath in > > every asana? > > Could you really enjoy it, could you feel your body > > and energy > > moving, if you only rest there for about 30 seconds? > > Sometimes it > > looks for me like a "rush-hour-yoga". > > I remember a video from Sarah Powers (class on > > Hawai), where she let > > the class stay in the poses much longer than only 5 > > breats. > > (I also contemplate the subject of the most > > effective way for the > > body to breath. If you should breath very deep and > > smooth, it's not > > possible to combine it with the way of the 1st > > series like we're > > doing imo.).Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Not 5 seconds, but 5 inhale-exhale in every pose - that is the advice. If you concentrate on breath 5 times exhale and inhale, the breath is going quick and short. May be 5 seconds for every inhale and 5 seconds for every exhale would be very fine then, but I suppose you are able to do this after 100 years of practice every day? Lu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 FBL, great answer, thank you for your comment, I will think about it. Anyway, there might be a misunderstanding. We're not live in paradise where you are practice Ashtanga propperly up from the beginning. You have to work hard, you have to work with your body, you have to practice with awareness - otherwise it's not yoga. If doing so I've made the experience in the past that there is a rush in the practice if I concentrate in the pose on counting from 1 up to 5, the breath is going short and quick and the tendency fails to meditate in the pose. This was an unhappy feeling, not arrogance or less discipline. With my "really tremendous awareness" I noticed enyoing the practice more after forgetting to count every breath and holding the asanas longer. This was the reason for asking here the best way to work with the breath - because I'm not a super-yogi but a working one, who wants to know more about - yes, Ashtanga-Yoga! If you don`t have any problems with your practice, you are a lucky one and may be a guru, or a small guru, (sooner or later), Lu ashtanga yoga, funkybadlady <no_reply> wrote: > So why is it a "problem" if other people are not on such a high > level of awareness as you are? It is not a problem for them, and > if you have reached such as pinnacle of self awareness and > spiritual development as you proclaim, then it is my guess that it > would not be a problem for you either. > > And why is following the "outward" instructions of a good teacher > a sign of inability to listen to one's instincts? I think it is a sign of > discipline and character. What you are talking about is > arrogance and self-interest. If you think that is what yoga is, > great. > > If you don't already have a sense of self, it is very difficult to take > instruction from someone, be teachable and have humility. One > develops great discipline and mind control by following > directions. If you are self absorbed it is really difficult to believe > that anyone can actually help you. True humility is knowing that > only God can do for you what you cannot do for yourself. God > works through other people, and everyone needs help. So pick > a smart person to take direction from. A person who only listens > to their own advice has a fool for a teacher. > > Why do you post on this board if you don't want to learn Ashtanga > from Pattabhi Jois? I really don't understand. If your instincts > are to do some other system of yoga, then go do it. > > FBL > > > ashtanga yoga, Chris Smith < > jivamuktiguy> wrote: > > hey lu!! > > > > very intrasting comment........... > > > > i think that once you are in touch with your satguru > > you cant go wrong....the problem is that many people > > are not in touch with that kind of awarness or at > > least they dont trust it. So we turn to an outward > > guru like mr jois who tells us what to do rither than > > him teaching us to trust in what we feel. > > > > thats just my take on it anywho..... > > > > chris ) > > --- lu_38_de <no_reply> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > there is the advice, to count in every pose up to 5 > > > breaths. If doing > > > so, you are about 20-30 seconds in nearly every > > > pose. I've made the > > > exprience, after forget the counting and only > > > concentrate on the > > > propper alignment, first I was much more longer in > > > the pose, second > > > it was much more effective, the breath was going > > > very free (to tell > > > the truth I wonder if I doing Iyengar on > > > Ashtanga-basis...?! hell). > > > This is a very interesting subject, it was "some > > > years ago" here in > > > discussion also, but without a solution. What are > > > your experiences > > > about the duration you "rest", "live" and breath in > > > every asana? > > > Could you really enjoy it, could you feel your body > > > and energy > > > moving, if you only rest there for about 30 seconds? > > > Sometimes it > > > looks for me like a "rush-hour-yoga". > > > I remember a video from Sarah Powers (class on > > > Hawai), where she let > > > the class stay in the poses much longer than only 5 > > > breats. > > > (I also contemplate the subject of the most > > > effective way for the > > > body to breath. If you should breath very deep and > > > smooth, it's not > > > possible to combine it with the way of the 1st > > > series like we're > > > doing imo.).Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 As far as I know Mr Jois recommends in "Yoga Mala" students to stay in every pose "as many breaths (purakas and rechakas) as possible". Yoga Mala was offcourse written in the 60's, and Guruji has changed his style to teach quite a lot since then. But I can't find any problem staying in the poses for more than five breaths if it feels good. After all that used to be Guruji's teaching, so it can't be that wrong to follow it even today. Katja funkybadlady <no_reply> wrote: So why is it a "problem" if other people are not on such a high level of awareness as you are? It is not a problem for them, and if you have reached such as pinnacle of self awareness and spiritual development as you proclaim, then it is my guess that it would not be a problem for you either. And why is following the "outward" instructions of a good teacher a sign of inability to listen to one's instincts? I think it is a sign of discipline and character. What you are talking about is arrogance and self-interest. If you think that is what yoga is, great. If you don't already have a sense of self, it is very difficult to take instruction from someone, be teachable and have humility. One develops great discipline and mind control by following directions. If you are self absorbed it is really difficult to believe that anyone can actually help you. True humility is knowing that only God can do for you what you cannot do for yourself. God works through other people, and everyone needs help. So pick a smart person to take direction from. A person who only listens to their own advice has a fool for a teacher. Why do you post on this board if you don't want to learn Ashtanga from Pattabhi Jois? I really don't understand. If your instincts are to do some other system of yoga, then go do it. FBL ashtanga yoga, Chris Smith < jivamuktiguy> wrote: > hey lu!! > > very intrasting comment........... > > i think that once you are in touch with your satguru > you cant go wrong....the problem is that many people > are not in touch with that kind of awarness or at > least they dont trust it. So we turn to an outward > guru like mr jois who tells us what to do rither than > him teaching us to trust in what we feel. > > thats just my take on it anywho..... > > chris ) > --- lu_38_de <no_reply> wrote: > > Hi, > > there is the advice, to count in every pose up to 5 > > breaths. If doing > > so, you are about 20-30 seconds in nearly every > > pose. I've made the > > exprience, after forget the counting and only > > concentrate on the > > propper alignment, first I was much more longer in > > the pose, second > > it was much more effective, the breath was going > > very free (to tell > > the truth I wonder if I doing Iyengar on > > Ashtanga-basis...?! hell). > > This is a very interesting subject, it was "some > > years ago" here in > > discussion also, but without a solution. What are > > your experiences > > about the duration you "rest", "live" and breath in > > every asana? > > Could you really enjoy it, could you feel your body > > and energy > > moving, if you only rest there for about 30 seconds? > > Sometimes it > > looks for me like a "rush-hour-yoga". > > I remember a video from Sarah Powers (class on > > Hawai), where she let > > the class stay in the poses much longer than only 5 > > breats. > > (I also contemplate the subject of the most > > effective way for the > > body to breath. If you should breath very deep and > > smooth, it's not > > possible to combine it with the way of the 1st > > series like we're > > doing imo.).Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search > ashtanga yoga Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Hi Katja, thank you for this interesting information. This seems really a good approach (but it differs from Guruji's teaching in the videos; may be the videos are not for students but for ashtanga-masters). Lu ashtanga yoga, Katja Salomaa <katjaxx7> wrote: > As far as I know Mr Jois recommends in "Yoga Mala" students to stay in every pose "as many breaths (purakas and rechakas) as possible". > Yoga Mala was offcourse written in the 60's, and Guruji has changed his style to teach quite a lot since then. But I can't find any problem staying in the poses for more than five breaths if it feels good. After all that used to be Guruji's teaching, so it can't be that wrong to follow it even today. > > Katja > > > > funkybadlady <no_reply> wrote: > So why is it a "problem" if other people are not on such a high > level of awareness as you are? It is not a problem for them, and > if you have reached such as pinnacle of self awareness and > spiritual development as you proclaim, then it is my guess that it > would not be a problem for you either. > > And why is following the "outward" instructions of a good teacher > a sign of inability to listen to one's instincts? I think it is a sign of > discipline and character. What you are talking about is > arrogance and self-interest. If you think that is what yoga is, > great. > > If you don't already have a sense of self, it is very difficult to take > instruction from someone, be teachable and have humility. One > develops great discipline and mind control by following > directions. If you are self absorbed it is really difficult to believe > that anyone can actually help you. True humility is knowing that > only God can do for you what you cannot do for yourself. God > works through other people, and everyone needs help. So pick > a smart person to take direction from. A person who only listens > to their own advice has a fool for a teacher. > > Why do you post on this board if you don't want to learn Ashtanga > from Pattabhi Jois? I really don't understand. If your instincts > are to do some other system of yoga, then go do it. > > FBL > > > ashtanga yoga, Chris Smith < > jivamuktiguy> wrote: > > hey lu!! > > > > very intrasting comment........... > > > > i think that once you are in touch with your satguru > > you cant go wrong....the problem is that many people > > are not in touch with that kind of awarness or at > > least they dont trust it. So we turn to an outward > > guru like mr jois who tells us what to do rither than > > him teaching us to trust in what we feel. > > > > thats just my take on it anywho..... > > > > chris ) > > --- lu_38_de <no_reply> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > there is the advice, to count in every pose up to 5 > > > breaths. If doing > > > so, you are about 20-30 seconds in nearly every > > > pose. I've made the > > > exprience, after forget the counting and only > > > concentrate on the > > > propper alignment, first I was much more longer in > > > the pose, second > > > it was much more effective, the breath was going > > > very free (to tell > > > the truth I wonder if I doing Iyengar on > > > Ashtanga-basis...?! hell). > > > This is a very interesting subject, it was "some > > > years ago" here in > > > discussion also, but without a solution. What are > > > your experiences > > > about the duration you "rest", "live" and breath in > > > every asana? > > > Could you really enjoy it, could you feel your body > > > and energy > > > moving, if you only rest there for about 30 seconds? > > > Sometimes it > > > looks for me like a "rush-hour-yoga". > > > I remember a video from Sarah Powers (class on > > > Hawai), where she let > > > the class stay in the poses much longer than only 5 > > > breats. > > > (I also contemplate the subject of the most > > > effective way for the > > > body to breath. If you should breath very deep and > > > smooth, it's not > > > possible to combine it with the way of the 1st > > > series like we're > > > doing imo.).Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search > > > > > > Sponsor > > ashtanga yoga > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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