Guest guest Posted March 26, 2000 Report Share Posted March 26, 2000 can anyone in this group tell me if a shudra who dont know any thing about sri vidya(i.e uninitiated&ignorant) but who is devoted to the divine mother can recite lalithasahasranama. if he can repeat what is the procedure of studying this hymn. somebody please tell me the answer. thank you Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Namaste, Singing LalithasahasranAma brings great peace and happiness. If you don't know to sing it, I would listen to it (Bombay Sisters' is pretty good!) repeatedly and sing with it. I am not sure about the shastraic injunctions, etc., but I would do it if I were you mainly because of the peace of mind you get. Other learned members of the list might have differing opinions. But everyone would agree it gives manas-shuddhi. Savithri >"satish raja arigela" <sivasakti > > > clarify >Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:21:42 +0530 > > >can anyone in this group tell me > if a shudra who dont know any thing about sri vidya(i.e >uninitiated&ignorant) but >who is devoted to the divine mother can recite >lalithasahasranama. if he can repeat what is the procedure of studying this >hymn. > somebody please tell me the answer. >thank you > > >Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >Get paid for the stuff you know! >Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! >http://click./1/2200/5/_/57766/_/954162284/ > > >eGroups.com home: > - Simplifying group communications > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 I do not think there is any bar in any one reciting lalitha sahasranama, provided he is initiated into panchadasi. Seek a good guru and get going. S.SANGARANARAYANAN >"satish raja arigela" <sivasakti > > > clarify >Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:21:42 +0530 > > >can anyone in this group tell me > if a shudra who dont know any thing about sri vidya(i.e >uninitiated&ignorant) but >who is devoted to the divine mother can recite >lalithasahasranama. if he can repeat what is the procedure of studying this >hymn. > somebody please tell me the answer. >thank you > > >Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >Get paid for the stuff you know! >Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! >http://click./1/2200/5/_/57766/_/954162284/ > > >eGroups.com home: > - Simplifying group communications > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 pLEASE READ THE PALA STUTHI OF LALITH SAHASRANAMA, which clearly says that those who recite the same without getting initiated into Panchadasi is cursed by yoginis. Why should one contravene this rule when he wants to recite. Trisathi is called sarve siddhikari whereas "the sloka Ganesa graha nakshatra yogini...."etc., is called sarve poorthikari, which removes all mistakes when reciting sahasranama or trisathi. I agree that there is no kulachara - caste - restrictions on worshiping the divine mother and I know some Muslims also have been initiated into srividhya. Regards.S.SANGARANARAYANAN >Ramu Thiagarajan <ramut > > > re: Clarify >Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:26:58 -0800 > > >Apropos Satish Raja's query, the Sahasranamam can be recited by anyone >with devotion and Bhakthi towards >Divine Mother. The Purusha Suktham indicates that the 'Sudhra' (Padmyam >Soodhhro Ajayatah [The Sudhra was born from the Feet of the >Purusha] was the part of the Holy Lord. >By implication therefore is not everyone who is the child of or part of >the Purusha/Jagan Mathah entitled to read the wonderful >verses of the Sahasranamam which describe the inner and outer beauty of >Holy Mother and her Karuna and Parakrama!! > >While the learned members of the group can educate me on this, I don't >think initiation into Sri Vidya is required for the >Sahasranama Parayanam ( I am told this is not true w.r.t to Trishathi). > >Ramu > > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >Get paid for the stuff you know! >Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! >http://click./1/2200/5/_/57766/_/954177841/ > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >-- /docvault//?m=1 > ><< ramut.vcf >> ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Apropos Satish Raja's query, the Sahasranamam can be recited by anyone with devotion and Bhakthi towards Divine Mother. The Purusha Suktham indicates that the 'Sudhra' (Padmyam Soodhhro Ajayatah [The Sudhra was born from the Feet of the Purusha] was the part of the Holy Lord. By implication therefore is not everyone who is the child of or part of the Purusha/Jagan Mathah entitled to read the wonderful verses of the Sahasranamam which describe the inner and outer beauty of Holy Mother and her Karuna and Parakrama!! While the learned members of the group can educate me on this, I don't think initiation into Sri Vidya is required for the Sahasranama Parayanam ( I am told this is not true w.r.t to Trishathi). Ramu Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Namaskaram Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and my Mother/Guru say that anyone can sing the names of the dive mother with concentration,devotion and love. Sometimes we might mispronounce the names but it will not hurt you because Mother knows that you are trying to call Her. The above statement is illustrated by the following example given buy my Mother. A grown up child might call the Mother as amma but the young infants would cannot pronounce properly might call as am or aaa. But the mother knows the child is calling her and does not get angry at the child. Similarly the divine Mother knows our heart and judges us by our heart and not through outwardly actions. shashi Ramu Thiagarajan [ramut] Monday, March 27, 2000 6:27 PM re: Clarify Apropos Satish Raja's query, the Sahasranamam can be recited by anyone with devotion and Bhakthi towards Divine Mother. The Purusha Suktham indicates that the 'Sudhra' (Padmyam Soodhhro Ajayatah [The Sudhra was born from the Feet of the Purusha] was the part of the Holy Lord. By implication therefore is not everyone who is the child of or part of the Purusha/Jagan Mathah entitled to read the wonderful verses of the Sahasranamam which describe the inner and outer beauty of Holy Mother and her Karuna and Parakrama!! While the learned members of the group can educate me on this, I don't think initiation into Sri Vidya is required for the Sahasranama Parayanam ( I am told this is not true w.r.t to Trishathi). Ramu ------ AUM shrImAtre namaH Archives : / : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ Contact : miinalochanii & lotus ------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click./1/2200/5/_/57766/_/954177841/ -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault -- /docvault//?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 caturAshramaniShThaishcha kIrtanIyam yidamsadA. svadharma samanuShThAnavaikalyaparipUrtaye.. This is the 67th shloka in the phalaShruti of Sri lalitA sahasranAma. It clearly says, 'This sahasranAma is to be recited by people belonging to all the four cast (caturAshrama) to over come the sins accumulated by transgressing the boundaries of varNAshrama dharma ' So this can be recited not only by ShudrA-s, vasihyA-s, brahmaNA-s and kshatriyA-s, but also by people who do not follow the rules prescribed for those varNA-s (people like me). So there is absolutely no discrimination and all cast people can recite this sahasranAma according to hayagrIva bhagavAn (who revealed this sahasranAma). ViShnu sahasranAma is much more explicit in this cast aspect, vedaantago braahmaNaH syaat kshatriyo vijayii bhavet.h . vaishyo dhanasamR^iddhaH syaach chhuudraH sukhamavaapnuyaat.h .. Normally all purANic and tantric text can be recited by people of all cast. Shruti (veda mantra-s) are explicitly for brahmins to preserve and there is specific reasons for that. Does panchadaShi required is a separate topic. But at least a guru is required. Just learn it from some one who knows this sahasranAma (who has learned it properly). Even if that is not possible consider devI as your guru and recite until you encounter such a person. She will show you some one if you really aspire. Aravind ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2000 Report Share Posted March 29, 2000 Dear Ravi, Thank you for those beautiful words on Amma. For the rest in the group who may not know this, the 'Ammachi' i referred to is the same as 'Mata Amritanandamayi' that Ravi refers to- Ammachi is Her 'pat' name so tp speak... thank you Ravi once again, bala >"Ravisankar S. Mayavaram" <msr > >shriimaataa > Re: Clarify >Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:54:01 -0600 > > >One of the problems we often encounter these days is we tend to >learn from printed texts and not from a qualified teacher. So we >are not sure on adhikaari laxanaM. Such a question as, "who can >do this?" will not arise when we learn these things from a >teacher. In this regard, I should say, I am a worst offender. > >Coming back to the topic. One option is to take shriividya >initiation and learn sahasranaamam. The uttara of sahasranaama >and trishati only emphasize on the fact one should be a knower of >shriividya. But by trishati's uttara on what basis is one is >considered as knower of shriividya is different and one may argue >that all that is required is saamanya knowledge. > >Take my case, I do not do enough justice to gAyAtri mantra >itself. Also I am convinced, content, and satisfied with it >completely. I worship ambaaL using that. I do not even see a need >for panchadashii. They say that there is no greater mantra than >gAyatri. > > >One way to circumvent this problem of saying sahasranaama (for >Satish's friend) is to meet saint or teacher and get the >sahasranaama book blessed by them. There is a teacher, who is >pure as Gold, brahma jnAni, embodiment of compassion, who is >accessible to all irrespective of the caste, creed, race, and >anything, She can help you. I am talking about Mata >Amritanandamayii. Words are inadequate to describe Her greatness, >one could say She is God in visible form. BTW I am not Her >disciple in the strictest sense of the word, but I am indeed as >She is my mother. You can probably meet Her and get a >sahasranaama book blessed by Her. I did that in 1996. After I got >the book blessed, (with enormous help from my wife Saraswathy), I >could not only learn and pronounce correctly, I even memorized it >to a great extent. I dont think yogini-s will curse Her for >blessing a non shriividya initiate. If they do they will be >contradicting the sahasranaama >maahachatushshashhTikoDiyoginiiganasevitaa. This is my faith. > >One advantage you have is She travels all over the world and She >accessible to all. She says no to none and receives all with the >love of God. But one thing I should warn you :-) She is very >addictive, after knowing Her, seeing Her, you will be helplessly >in love with Her. But that love has a benefit. The moment the >thought "I love Her" crosses my mind, waves of joy roll in my >Heart and I feel instantly purified. > > >With love to all, >Ravi > > > > > > > > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: >http://click./1/2622/5/_/57766/_/954359618/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=&m=1 > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2000 Report Share Posted March 29, 2000 One of the problems we often encounter these days is we tend to learn from printed texts and not from a qualified teacher. So we are not sure on adhikaari laxanaM. Such a question as, "who can do this?" will not arise when we learn these things from a teacher. In this regard, I should say, I am a worst offender. Coming back to the topic. One option is to take shriividya initiation and learn sahasranaamam. The uttara of sahasranaama and trishati only emphasize on the fact one should be a knower of shriividya. But by trishati's uttara on what basis is one is considered as knower of shriividya is different and one may argue that all that is required is saamanya knowledge. Take my case, I do not do enough justice to gAyAtri mantra itself. Also I am convinced, content, and satisfied with it completely. I worship ambaaL using that. I do not even see a need for panchadashii. They say that there is no greater mantra than gAyatri. One way to circumvent this problem of saying sahasranaama (for Satish's friend) is to meet saint or teacher and get the sahasranaama book blessed by them. There is a teacher, who is pure as Gold, brahma jnAni, embodiment of compassion, who is accessible to all irrespective of the caste, creed, race, and anything, She can help you. I am talking about Mata Amritanandamayii. Words are inadequate to describe Her greatness, one could say She is God in visible form. BTW I am not Her disciple in the strictest sense of the word, but I am indeed as She is my mother. You can probably meet Her and get a sahasranaama book blessed by Her. I did that in 1996. After I got the book blessed, (with enormous help from my wife Saraswathy), I could not only learn and pronounce correctly, I even memorized it to a great extent. I dont think yogini-s will curse Her for blessing a non shriividya initiate. If they do they will be contradicting the sahasranaama maahachatushshashhTikoDiyoginiiganasevitaa. This is my faith. One advantage you have is She travels all over the world and She accessible to all. She says no to none and receives all with the love of God. But one thing I should warn you :-) She is very addictive, after knowing Her, seeing Her, you will be helplessly in love with Her. But that love has a benefit. The moment the thought "I love Her" crosses my mind, waves of joy roll in my Heart and I feel instantly purified. With love to all, Ravi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2000 Report Share Posted March 30, 2000 namaste. thank you very much for your valuable advice. i somewhere learnt in a book that repeating the Panchadasi mantra once is equvalent to repeating the gayatri mantra thrice i dont remember the name of book or author but i remember he is initiated into sri vidya because his name contained anandanatha i do not know sanskrit so i dont remember the sentences he used to prove that.the book is in telugu. -- On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:54:01 Ravisankar S. Mayavaram wrote: >One of the problems we often encounter these days is we tend to >learn from printed texts and not from a qualified teacher. So we >are not sure on adhikaari laxanaM. Such a question as, "who can >do this?" will not arise when we learn these things from a >teacher. In this regard, I should say, I am a worst offender. > >Coming back to the topic. One option is to take shriividya >initiation and learn sahasranaamam. The uttara of sahasranaama >and trishati only emphasize on the fact one should be a knower of >shriividya. But by trishati's uttara on what basis is one is >considered as knower of shriividya is different and one may argue >that all that is required is saamanya knowledge. > >Take my case, I do not do enough justice to gAyAtri mantra >itself. Also I am convinced, content, and satisfied with it >completely. I worship ambaaL using that. I do not even see a need >for panchadashii. They say that there is no greater mantra than >gAyatri. > > >One way to circumvent this problem of saying sahasranaama (for >Satish's friend) is to meet saint or teacher and get the >sahasranaama book blessed by them. There is a teacher, who is >pure as Gold, brahma jnAni, embodiment of compassion, who is >accessible to all irrespective of the caste, creed, race, and >anything, She can help you. I am talking about Mata >Amritanandamayii. Words are inadequate to describe Her greatness, >one could say She is God in visible form. BTW I am not Her >disciple in the strictest sense of the word, but I am indeed as >She is my mother. You can probably meet Her and get a >sahasranaama book blessed by Her. I did that in 1996. After I got >the book blessed, (with enormous help from my wife Saraswathy), I >could not only learn and pronounce correctly, I even memorized it >to a great extent. I dont think yogini-s will curse Her for >blessing a non shriividya initiate. If they do they will be >contradicting the sahasranaama >maahachatushshashhTikoDiyoginiiganasevitaa. This is my faith. > >One advantage you have is She travels all over the world and She >accessible to all. She says no to none and receives all with the >love of God. But one thing I should warn you :-) She is very >addictive, after knowing Her, seeing Her, you will be helplessly >in love with Her. But that love has a benefit. The moment the >thought "I love Her" crosses my mind, waves of joy roll in my >Heart and I feel instantly purified. > > >With love to all, >Ravi > > > > > > > > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: >http://click./1/2622/5/_/57766/_/954359618/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=&m=1 > > > Send FREE April Fool's Greetings to your friends! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/American_Greetings.rdct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 --- satish raja arigela <a.satishraja wrote: > > > namaste. > thank you very much for your valuable advice. > i somewhere learnt in a book that repeating the Panchadasi > mantra once is equvalent to repeating the gayatri mantra thrice That is correct. I have a book on saundaryalaharii by thethiyur subrahmaniya shastrigal which explains this in a great detail. This book is in Sanskrit-Tamil. In the same context the author also discusses about the 4th paada of gaayatri which is known only to a few and it needs a special initiation. Even with panchadashi one requires initiation. This is open to all varNa-s, but sometimes the teachers are strict. I know of a case, where the teacher initiates only after studying the horoscope of the seeker. Ravi Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2000 Report Share Posted April 1, 2000 When one has the urge he gets the Guru. Mother Divine sends the Guru to the aspirant. Further one's own heart clearly tells that such and such a person is His guru, when he meets that person. Further when a guru is not able to give the liberation to the sadhaka, the sadhaka is at liberty to move to another competent guru as a bee would move from flower to flower. This is permitted even by vedas.One should not rest until he meets the right guru but this does not mean that he should change the guru every now and then without trying to clinge to the feet of the guru ceaselessly, so that he can give nirvana.S.SANGARANARAYANAN >"Ravisankar S. Mayavaram" <msr > >shriimaataa > Re: Clarify >Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:54:01 -0600 > > >One of the problems we often encounter these days is we tend to >learn from printed texts and not from a qualified teacher. So we >are not sure on adhikaari laxanaM. Such a question as, "who can >do this?" will not arise when we learn these things from a >teacher. In this regard, I should say, I am a worst offender. > >Coming back to the topic. One option is to take shriividya >initiation and learn sahasranaamam. The uttara of sahasranaama >and trishati only emphasize on the fact one should be a knower of >shriividya. But by trishati's uttara on what basis is one is >considered as knower of shriividya is different and one may argue >that all that is required is saamanya knowledge. > >Take my case, I do not do enough justice to gAyAtri mantra >itself. Also I am convinced, content, and satisfied with it >completely. I worship ambaaL using that. I do not even see a need >for panchadashii. They say that there is no greater mantra than >gAyatri. > > >One way to circumvent this problem of saying sahasranaama (for >Satish's friend) is to meet saint or teacher and get the >sahasranaama book blessed by them. There is a teacher, who is >pure as Gold, brahma jnAni, embodiment of compassion, who is >accessible to all irrespective of the caste, creed, race, and >anything, She can help you. I am talking about Mata >Amritanandamayii. Words are inadequate to describe Her greatness, >one could say She is God in visible form. BTW I am not Her >disciple in the strictest sense of the word, but I am indeed as >She is my mother. You can probably meet Her and get a >sahasranaama book blessed by Her. I did that in 1996. After I got >the book blessed, (with enormous help from my wife Saraswathy), I >could not only learn and pronounce correctly, I even memorized it >to a great extent. I dont think yogini-s will curse Her for >blessing a non shriividya initiate. If they do they will be >contradicting the sahasranaama >maahachatushshashhTikoDiyoginiiganasevitaa. This is my faith. > >One advantage you have is She travels all over the world and She >accessible to all. She says no to none and receives all with the >love of God. But one thing I should warn you :-) She is very >addictive, after knowing Her, seeing Her, you will be helplessly >in love with Her. But that love has a benefit. The moment the >thought "I love Her" crosses my mind, waves of joy roll in my >Heart and I feel instantly purified. > > >With love to all, >Ravi > > > > > > > > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: >http://click./1/2622/5/_/57766/_/954359618/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=&m=1 > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2000 Report Share Posted April 2, 2000 > > S Sangaranarayanan [sangarsai] > > Further when a guru is not able to give the liberation to the > sadhaka, the > sadhaka is at liberty to move to another competent guru as a > bee would move > from flower to flower. This is permitted even by vedas. Now that was a news to me! Unless we are talking from different realms, my understanding is that --- It is after all your own faith that leads to your liberation. Guru has got nothing to do with your liberation. Though there are instances where compassionate gurus take their disciples unto the door of liberation and leave them there. All the disciple is left to do is just to knock the door of liberation and witness the oneness! I am curious in learning more. Please provide the reference from the veda where it is said that one can move from one guru to the other. caMdAlOstu sadudvijOstu EshAM maneeshAM mama. Yours, Madhava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2000 Report Share Posted April 2, 2000 A competent Guru is more important in getting realised. He must be one who has treaded the path and had the experience also. Because only a person who has attained that state can take you there. For instance the sahasranama says that God is Anandhaya namaha and Anandadhaya namaha. This means unless the God has anandha He cannot give anandha to others. In other words one must have to give that to others. This is also similar to the fact that one can go off idol worship only when he worships the idol and finds that he must go beyond. This is renounciation. Faith is different from experience.Whether you believe the Guru or not, He can really transmit to you the reality, if He so desires. Asz a matter of fact most of the competent Gurus transmits the reality condition to the sishya first and then makes him understand and experience the various ones. That is the greatness of a competent guru. Belief also means that one has to follow the rules. In the Sahasranama phala stuthi it is clearly said that one should have Panchadasi before reciting the sahasranama stotram of divine mother. Every one can do it without Panchadasi but the results will not be the same. God who is Omnipotent, Omnicient and Omnipresent has both the positive and negative poles to the maximum and he can absorb all and any of these without any allergy, whereas we human beings, are within these two polarities which get aflicted and God is beyond these two polarities, where he is not affected. Similarly to an penecillin injection affects one person and does not affect to the other, because of allergy problem. Similarly one has to follow the rules so that there is no allergy to the flow of the divine current. It is not therefore to be construed that only such and such a caste is permitted to do sahasranama but anyone who follows the rules. One has got to use the discrimination and his intelligence too in choosing the guru. In real life do we always study with the 1st class teacher and do we not go to higher teachers as we progress.A guru who is found to be incompetent will have to be shelved, but the sishya should have the guts and ability to judge the guru.Belief alone will not take a person to reality, as the sishya should have the ways and means to reach the end and not get involved in the ways and means alone, thinking them to be the reality or goal. A Guru who cannot transmit the divine energy is absolutely useless eventhough he may be highly learned and respected in the society. Devi Upasakas are worshippers of this divine energy which is beyond name and form and one has to understand this. Regards.S.SANGARANARAYANAN >"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava > > > Re: Clarify >Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:20:05 +0300 > > > > > > S Sangaranarayanan [sangarsai] > > > > Further when a guru is not able to give the liberation to the > > sadhaka, the > > sadhaka is at liberty to move to another competent guru as a > > bee would move > > from flower to flower. This is permitted even by vedas. > >Now that was a news to me! Unless we are talking from different realms, my >understanding is that --- It is after all your own faith that leads to your >liberation. Guru has got nothing to do with your liberation. Though there >are instances where compassionate gurus take their disciples unto the door >of liberation and leave them there. All the disciple is left to do is just >to knock the door of liberation and witness the oneness! > >I am curious in learning more. Please provide the reference from the veda >where it is said that one can move from one guru to the other. > >caMdAlOstu sadudvijOstu EshAM maneeshAM mama. > >Yours, >Madhava > > > > > > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus > >------ >72% off on Name brand Watches! >Come and buy today and get free shipping! >http://click./1/2712/5/_/57766/_/954673680/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=&m=1 > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2000 Report Share Posted April 2, 2000 Namaste, A Sadguru is only one; that one is 'destined'[niyata] one also, and is the 'Diksha Guru'. A person may want to be a disciple of a particular guru, but that guru may decide on the merits of each individual who would best fulfil that function in this particular life. The Sadguru may also guide the disciple to different teachers to learn specific disciplines; eg. Dattatreya learnt from 24 gurus! These are called 'Vidya Gurus'. In the Guru Gita there is a verse #89: madhulubdho yathaa bhR^i~NgaH pushhpaatpushhpaantara.n vrajet.h . j~naanalubdhastathaa shishhyo gurorgurvantara.n vrajet.h .. Regards, s. >"S Sangaranarayanan" <sangarsai > > > Re: Clarify >Sun, 02 Apr 2000 18:06:56 PDT > > >A competent Guru is more important in getting realised. > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Sangarji, I completely agree with everything in your response to this thread. I only want to point out that anytime we say THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY about anything, we must immediately admit that there are always EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE. That is not to encourage others to denigrate the ancient and holy GURU/SHISHYA tradition. It is only to keep those of us who DO accept that tradition in check. For if we once make our traditions and beliefs concrete, inflexible and literal, then we have lost the essence of sanathan dharma. For the essence of our dharma that has allowed us to survive for thousands upon thousands of years, despite the worst persecution of any peoples known to mankind, is that we are a LIVING and not a STATIC religion. By being a LIVING and GROWING religion, we are able to maintain our ancient roots without any hesitation or confusion. It is only the exclusivists (typically christians and muslims) who are TIED DOWN to a few words meant for the people of another time and place. Their religions are calcified and dead. Ours lives and breathes as it has for at least 10,000 years. Forive my outburst, but I felt the need to defend the guru/shishya tradition - as a western born hindu since 1984. Shivadass S Sangaranarayanan [sangarsai (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sunday, April 02, 2000 9:07 PMTo: Subject: Re: ClarifyA competent Guru is more important in getting realised. He must be one who has treaded the path and had the experience also. Because only a person who has attained that state can take you there. For instance the sahasranama says that God is Anandhaya namaha and Anandadhaya namaha. This means unless the God has anandha He cannot give anandha to others. In other words one must have to give that to others. This is also similar to the fact that one can go off idol worship only when he worships the idol and finds that he must go beyond. This is renounciation. Faith is different from experience.Whether you believe the Guru or not, He can really transmit to you the reality, if He so desires. Asz a matter of fact most of the competent Gurus transmits the reality condition to the sishya first and then makes him understand and experience the various ones. That is the greatness of a competent guru. Belief also means that one has to follow the rules. In the Sahasranama phala stuthi it is clearly said that one should have Panchadasi before reciting the sahasranama stotram of divine mother. Every one can do it without Panchadasi but the results will not be the same. God who is Omnipotent, Omnicient and Omnipresent has both the positive and negative poles to the maximum and he can absorb all and any of these without any allergy, whereas we human beings, are within these two polarities which get aflicted and God is beyond these two polarities, where he is not affected. Similarly to an penecillin injection affects one person and does not affect to the other, because of allergy problem. Similarly one has to follow the rules so that there is no allergy to the flow of the divine current. It is not therefore to be construed that only such and such a caste is permitted to do sahasranama but anyone who follows the rules. One has got to use the discrimination and his intelligence too in choosing the guru. In real life do we always study with the 1st class teacher and do we not go to higher teachers as we progress.A guru who is found to be incompetent will have to be shelved, but the sishya should have the guts and ability to judge the guru.Belief alone will not take a person to reality, as the sishya should have the ways and means to reach the end and not get involved in the ways and means alone, thinking them to be the reality or goal. A Guru who cannot transmit the divine energy is absolutely useless eventhough he may be highly learned and respected in the society. Devi Upasakas are worshippers of this divine energy which is beyond name and form and one has to understand this. Regards.S.SANGARANARAYANAN >"Madhava K. Turumella" madhava (AT) memrbksa (DOT) com > > > Re: Clarify >Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:20:05 +0300 > > > > > > S Sangaranarayanan [sangarsai (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] > > > > Further when a guru is not able to give the liberation to the > > sadhaka, the > > sadhaka is at liberty to move to another competent guru as a > > bee would move > > from flower to flower. This is permitted even by vedas. > >Now that was a news to me! Unless we are talking from different realms, my >understanding is that --- It is after all your own faith that leads to your >liberation. Guru has got nothing to do with your liberation. Though there >are instances where compassionate gurus take their disciples unto the door >of liberation and leave them there. All the disciple is left to do is just >to knock the door of liberation and witness the oneness! > >I am curious in learning more. Please provide the reference from the veda >where it is said that one can move from one guru to the other. > >caMdAlOstu sadudvijOstu EshAM maneeshAM mama. > >Yours, >Madhava > > > > > > >------ >AUM shrImAtre namaH >Archives : / > : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ >Contact : miinalochanii & lotus (AT) virtualportal (DOT) net > >------ >72% off on Name brand Watches! >Come and buy today and get free shipping! >http://click./1/2712/5/_/57766/_/954673680/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=&m=1 > ____ AUM shrImAtre namaH Archives : / : http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi/ Contact : miinalochanii & lotus (AT) virtualportal (DOT) net eGroups.com Home: www. - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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