Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 In the context of mahAkALi vairi naashana kavacha, Ganesh remarked that it is a xudra prayoga. I have not read that text, in general, I am wary of tantric works. But in a general context, the prayoga can be kshudra or uttama depending on the devotee's attitude. Take mahAlaxmi ashhTakam for instance, below I quote the relevant verses from the Jaguar site. This is a text I had committed to memory long ago. But I never paid that much importance to phala shruti. But once in while I used wonder why, ekakAle paThennityaM mahApApavinAshanam.h . dvikAla.n yaH paThennitya.n dhanadhAnyasamanvitaH .. trikAlaM yaH paThennityaM mahAshatruvinAshanam.h . mahAlakshmiirbhavennityaM prasanna varadA shubhA .. after reading thrice all that happens is destruction of one's enemies (mahaa shatru vinaashanam). Is it not mean? Prof. Murthy wrote his insight on this few years back in Advaita-L. Which makes it wonderfully uttama. The enemies mentioned here are the kAma, krodha, lobha, moha, mada, and mAtsarya. The six deadly ones. One can say kAma is worst of all, as krodha is a reaction to unfulfilled kAma. They torment us even after we say kAmonakArshin namo namaH | kamonakarishit kamaH karoti nAham karomi kamaH karta naaham karta kaamaH kaarayita naaham kaarayita eshha te kaama kaamaaya svaaha || and so on. Here (in the ashhTakam) the devotee is praying to God to destroy the six deadly enemies who spring from the dark avidya and torments the devotees. With this reading of mahAshatru vinaashanam, whole things become supremely beautiful prayer (Thanks to Murthy_garu for his wonderful insight). I guess there must be some scope in the mahAkALi vairi nashana kavacha for a postive interpretation as well. However, till one develops enormous purity and knowledge, it is safe to stay away from tantra. That is my feeling. Ganesh, a very knowledgeable person like you should write more often to the list. We all will be benefited. ===== ambaaL daasan Ravi sharaNaagata raxakii nivEyani sadaa ninnu nammiti miinaaxii http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi Kick off your party with Invites. http://invites./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 shrii lalitaaparameshvarii tiruvaDigale sharanam. namaste to all Ganesh ji is very much right when he said that it is used for xudra prayoga. while it is true that prayoga can be xudra or uttama depending on devotee's attitude, some are explicitly for xudra prayogas. may be Ganesh ji meant this when he said that it is used for xudra prayoga. These prayogas are used to destroy evil effects acting on a person or to remove a dushTaa's influence on a shhishhTaa so that we may protect the shhishhTaas. but who are we to protect anyone? it is in the hands of god to protect. yes! but god wants us to work. that is why these prayogas. we may pray god for help but many times god acts and helps his devotees thru the medium of a human beings. also again it may be said that one should pray to god and rely on him in these type of situations, but it is also to be understood that without bhakti these kavachas and hrudayaas wont work. one needs to have akhanda bhakti(sattvika) and vishvaasam and shraddaa to make these prayogaas work. may be the one making these prayogaas should have the bhaava that he is working on behalf of god and for the benefit of the society. one need not in any way be wary of tantric works. shrii vidya which is veda mukhyaa and veda saara and parama vaidika in its nature also has many wonderful works in tantric literature. if prayogaas are to be understood as being used to destroy the internal asuraas then there is no need to be wary of tantric works. SHE is "sakala nigamaagama vinutaa" aagamaas implies tantraas( though not very exactly) so tantraas are equally important in understanding the nature of the divine mother paraambika. there are very good tantraas which do not concentrate much on prayogaas but rather explian the bhagavatattva(ambaal tattva). "sarva shatru vinaashanam" implies the destruction of both internal and external asuraas. it is meant for those with dushhTa svabhaava who are always obstacles to the devotees , many may directly or indirectly harm the devotees physically or mentally. i presented my opinion , please correct whereever i am wrong shrii baalaaparameshvarii tiruvaDIgale sharanam devyarpanamastu kumar. >miinaaxii tanaya <miinalochanii > >Ambaa-L > prayoga >Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) > >In the context of mahAkALi vairi naashana kavacha, Ganesh remarked that >it is a xudra prayoga. I have not read that text, in general, I am >wary of tantric works. But in a general context, the prayoga can be >kshudra or uttama depending on the devotee's attitude. > >Take mahAlaxmi ashhTakam for instance, below I quote the relevant >verses from the Jaguar site. This is a text I had committed to memory >long ago. >But I never paid that much importance to phala shruti. But once in >while I used wonder why, > > >ekakAle paThennityaM mahApApavinAshanam.h . >dvikAla.n yaH paThennitya.n dhanadhAnyasamanvitaH .. > > >trikAlaM yaH paThennityaM mahAshatruvinAshanam.h . >mahAlakshmiirbhavennityaM prasanna varadA shubhA .. > >after reading thrice all that happens is destruction of one's enemies >(mahaa shatru vinaashanam). Is it not mean? Prof. Murthy wrote his >insight on this few years back in Advaita-L. Which makes it wonderfully >uttama. The enemies mentioned here are the kAma, krodha, lobha, moha, >mada, and mAtsarya. The six deadly ones. One can say kAma is worst of >all, as krodha is a reaction to unfulfilled kAma. They torment us even >after we say > >kAmonakArshin namo namaH | kamonakarishit kamaH karoti nAham karomi >kamaH karta naaham karta kaamaH kaarayita naaham kaarayita eshha te >kaama kaamaaya svaaha || > > and so on. Here (in the ashhTakam) the devotee is praying to God to >destroy the six deadly enemies who spring from the dark avidya and >torments the devotees. > >With this reading of mahAshatru vinaashanam, whole things become >supremely beautiful prayer (Thanks to Murthy_garu for his wonderful >insight). > >I guess there must be some scope in the mahAkALi vairi nashana kavacha >for a postive interpretation as well. However, till one develops >enormous purity and knowledge, it is safe to stay away from tantra. >That is my feeling. > > >Ganesh, a very knowledgeable person like you should write more often to >the list. We all will be benefited. > > > >===== >ambaaL daasan >Ravi >sharaNaagata raxakii nivEyani > sadaa ninnu nammiti miinaaxii >http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi > > > >Kick off your party with Invites. >http://invites./ ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 shrii lalitaaparameshvarii tiruvaDigale sharanam ofcourse one needs to be cautious about tantra. the statement that one should not take tantra untill one attains enormous purity and knowledge is very much true. but i think one can still read the tantraas which concentrate more on bhagavat tattva. it will more beneficial if one studies under a guru. one may not directly read tantras but commentaries on them by the great ones. prof. murthy ji's concept of internal satrus is very good. thank you ravi for the very good posting. shrii baalaaparameshvarii tiruvaDigale sharanam kumar. >miinaaxii tanaya <miinalochanii > >Ambaa-L > prayoga >Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) > >In the context of mahAkALi vairi naashana kavacha, Ganesh remarked that >it is a xudra prayoga. I have not read that text, in general, I am >wary of tantric works. But in a general context, the prayoga can be >kshudra or uttama depending on the devotee's attitude. > >Take mahAlaxmi ashhTakam for instance, below I quote the relevant >verses from the Jaguar site. This is a text I had committed to memory >long ago. >But I never paid that much importance to phala shruti. But once in >while I used wonder why, > > >ekakAle paThennityaM mahApApavinAshanam.h . >dvikAla.n yaH paThennitya.n dhanadhAnyasamanvitaH .. > > >trikAlaM yaH paThennityaM mahAshatruvinAshanam.h . >mahAlakshmiirbhavennityaM prasanna varadA shubhA .. > >after reading thrice all that happens is destruction of one's enemies >(mahaa shatru vinaashanam). Is it not mean? Prof. Murthy wrote his >insight on this few years back in Advaita-L. Which makes it wonderfully >uttama. The enemies mentioned here are the kAma, krodha, lobha, moha, >mada, and mAtsarya. The six deadly ones. One can say kAma is worst of >all, as krodha is a reaction to unfulfilled kAma. They torment us even >after we say > >kAmonakArshin namo namaH | kamonakarishit kamaH karoti nAham karomi >kamaH karta naaham karta kaamaH kaarayita naaham kaarayita eshha te >kaama kaamaaya svaaha || > > and so on. Here (in the ashhTakam) the devotee is praying to God to >destroy the six deadly enemies who spring from the dark avidya and >torments the devotees. > >With this reading of mahAshatru vinaashanam, whole things become >supremely beautiful prayer (Thanks to Murthy_garu for his wonderful >insight). > >I guess there must be some scope in the mahAkALi vairi nashana kavacha >for a postive interpretation as well. However, till one develops >enormous purity and knowledge, it is safe to stay away from tantra. >That is my feeling. > > >Ganesh, a very knowledgeable person like you should write more often to >the list. We all will be benefited. > > > >===== >ambaaL daasan >Ravi >sharaNaagata raxakii nivEyani > sadaa ninnu nammiti miinaaxii >http://www.geocities.com/kaamaakshi > > > >Kick off your party with Invites. >http://invites./ ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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