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dear group members ,

I am new to your group and probably my

introduction might have been send to all memebers by

the moderators.I am getting the mails posted to this

group and mostly the discussion is about the concept

of guru and the insistence that a guru must initiate

inorder that we perform some of the devi poojas such

as sapthasati parayana.But my humble question is about

the concept of guru itself.many people seem to think

that only a human being can be a guru ,but is it true?

+ with most of the traditional gurus being people of a

particular community who guard these upaasana

know-hows with utmost secrecy,i am feeling discouraged

as i get the feeling that low castes will never get

initiated.OR is there a way out?

Almost always this guru concept is brought out to

discourage rather than encourage.

"HE WHO HAS NO GURU SHALL THINK ME AS GURU,O ARJUNA"

 

Biji Prathap

 

 

 

 

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Shri Vidya peethadhipathi Shri Vidya Gurave namah.

Shri mahAganapathaye namah.

Shri Maatre namah.

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Every school of Hindu thought has certain criteria for recognizing

personal attributes of a Shishya before the path of Ultimate

Knowledge is imparted.

 

This has nothing to do with caste or any other physical or man-made

quality.

 

Anyone can "qualify" to receive this initiation. So, how

to "qualify" is the question.

 

Since some members have posted some of Lord Krishna's words, I was

inspired to look up the Bhagavad Gita, to find a passage that I once

heard in a discourse, some time ago, and by the Grace of the Guru

Naatha and by Shri MahAthripurasundari's grace, I found it.

 

In Chapter 18, Verse 67 - Lord Krishna tells Arjuna about the

imparting of Knowledge of the Self ...

 

"idam te nAtapaskAya nABHaktAya kadAchana

na vAshushRUSHavAchya.m na cha mA.m yOBHyasUyati"

 

{This is never to be spoken by thee, (O Arjuna), to one who is devoid

of austerities of devotion, nor to one who does not render service or

who does not desire to listen, nor to one who is aBHyasUtI towards

Me. (aBHyasUtI - cavils, splits hairs, does not believe in, be picky

about, be envious of)}.

 

Exactly the same concept is expressed in the Devi atharvashIrsham and

Ganapathy atharvashIrsham.

 

"idam atharva shIrsham ashishyAya ne dEyam".

 

(Do not impart this to those who are not Shishyas (students)).

Literally, this means "Do not impart AtharvashIrshm to non-shishyas".

On a more spiritual plane, this means "Do not impart this to one who

does not have the qualities of a Shishya".

 

So, for a start,

let us be devoted,

let us have a service-oriented outlook,

let us listen and learn and

let us not speak ill of mAtA (or Lord Krishna), or be too

picky.

 

Rest assured that JagadambA will jump to embrace you in a way that

you can see for yourself, because She is "avyAja karuNA" - Honest

(guileless) compassion.

 

Shree mahAthirpurasundaryai namah.

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Om Gurubyo Namaha

Om Mathre Namaha

Every one is eligible to qualify for devi upasana.It is mentioned in Tantra Raja

about the Guru and Sishya lakshana. i would have reproduced it. but i am unable

to post it in english. it is in sanskrit. i do not know how to post it.what is

required

is sincerity with bhakthi and unshakable faith in guru. once chosen follow him.

devi would definitely guide u whatever may be the qualities of guru. it is

essential

that guru is an experienced upasaka in the cult.it is my humble opinion that he

should be human being (Male or Female preferably couple but not a napumsaka)

Study his guru parampara and select. There are exceptions like Ramana Maharishi

Once when i was a child i accompanied my father to see him.He was in

mouna(silent)

An old man came and asked him who is ur guru.he kept quient after sometime

another old man came with palmleaves bundled in a cloth. Ramana asked him to

open it. It was sthalapuranam of Arunachaleswara. The very first stanza said

that

I(Lord Arunachaleswara) am the guru for all who are within my some specified

distance of radius. Such is the power of that Holy man who was Dakshinamurthy

himself.who has got such authoritative command like Him.?

There is no caste creed or religion for mother worship. Sir John Woodroffe is

such a one He was a pure christian at the same time a mother devotee. His guru

is a Bengalee. He had done tremendous service to this cult. So, my dear Biji

Prathap

u would get a guru do not worry Mother always is very kind and ready to

lift us.Increase ur bhakthi. Be sincere in ur attempt.Develop an impeccable

character

do not lose ur heart. a light can only lit another light. urs krishnamoorthy

 

 

 

------biji prathap <bijiprathap wrote:------

>dear group members ,

I am new to your group and probably my

introduction might have been send to all memebers by

the moderators.I am getting the mails posted to this

group and mostly the discussion is about the concept

of guru and the insistence that a guru must initiate

inorder that we perform some of the devi poojas such

as sapthasati parayana.But my humble question is about

the concept of guru itself.many people seem to think

that only a human being can be a guru ,but is it true?

+ with most of the traditional gurus being people of a

particular community who guard these upaasana

know-hows with utmost secrecy,i am feeling discouraged

as i get the feeling that low castes will never get

initiated.OR is there a way out?

Almost always this guru concept is brought out to

discourage rather than encourage.

"HE WHO HAS NO GURU SHALL THINK ME AS GURU,O ARJUNA"

 

Biji Prathap

 

 

 

 

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AUM shrImAtre namaH

 

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Om sadguruve namah

 

I am most glad to recieve your letter of

assurance.The great godesses has guided me to this

unbelievably supportive and enlightened group!!This is

unbelievable---the replies i got were just pointers to

where i need to work on.Thanks to all for the

encouragement.There is a lot to listen and lot more to

learn .

PRAISE HER KINDNESS!!

PRAISE HER LOVE FOR HER CHILDREN!!

 

---Om Sadgurave namah----

Biji Prathap

 

--- kaushik wrote:

> Om Gurubyo Namaha

> Om Mathre Namaha

> Every one is eligible to qualify for devi upasana.It

> is mentioned in Tantra Raja

> about the Guru and Sishya lakshana. i would have

> reproduced it. but i am unable

> to post it in english. it is in sanskrit. i do not

> know how to post it.what is required

> is sincerity with bhakthi and unshakable faith in

> guru. once chosen follow him.

> devi would definitely guide u whatever may be the

> qualities of guru. it is essential

> that guru is an experienced upasaka in the cult.it

> is my humble opinion that he

> should be human being (Male or Female preferably

> couple but not a napumsaka)

> Study his guru parampara and select. There are

> exceptions like Ramana Maharishi

> Once when i was a child i accompanied my father to

> see him.He was in mouna(silent)

> An old man came and asked him who is ur guru.he kept

> quient after sometime

> another old man came with palmleaves bundled in a

> cloth. Ramana asked him to

> open it. It was sthalapuranam of Arunachaleswara.

> The very first stanza said that

> I(Lord Arunachaleswara) am the guru for all who are

> within my some specified

> distance of radius. Such is the power of that Holy

> man who was Dakshinamurthy

> himself.who has got such authoritative command like

> Him.?

> There is no caste creed or religion for mother

> worship. Sir John Woodroffe is

> such a one He was a pure christian at the same time

> a mother devotee. His guru

> is a Bengalee. He had done tremendous service to

> this cult. So, my dear Biji Prathap

> u would get a guru do not worry Mother always is

> very kind and ready to

> lift us.Increase ur bhakthi. Be sincere in ur

> attempt.Develop an impeccable character

> do not lose ur heart. a light can only lit another

> light. urs krishnamoorthy

>

>

>

> ------biji prathap <bijiprathap

> wrote:------

> >dear group members ,

> I am new to your group and probably my

> introduction might have been send to all memebers by

> the moderators.I am getting the mails posted to this

> group and mostly the discussion is about the concept

> of guru and the insistence that a guru must

> initiate

> inorder that we perform some of the devi poojas such

> as sapthasati parayana.But my humble question is

> about

> the concept of guru itself.many people seem to think

> that only a human being can be a guru ,but is it

> true?

> + with most of the traditional gurus being people of

> a

> particular community who guard these upaasana

> know-hows with utmost secrecy,i am feeling

> discouraged

> as i get the feeling that low castes will never get

> initiated.OR is there a way out?

> Almost always this guru concept is brought out

> to

> discourage rather than encourage.

> "HE WHO HAS NO GURU SHALL THINK ME AS GURU,O ARJUNA"

>

> Biji Prathap

>

>

>

>

> Get email at your own domain with Mail.

> http://personal.mail./

>

> AUM shrImAtre namaH

>

> Archives : http://www.ambaa.org/ (Edited)

> : /messages//

>

> Contact : help

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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