Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Dear Satish May I suggest you read," If you see Buddha on the road, kill him." May the Goddess be with you. Gopi miinalochanii [miinalochanii] Monday, December 17, 2001 11:50 PM Re: on Shiva Incarnations --- Guru , "satisharigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > > What was written above is TOTALLY WRONG and BASELESS.Every shloka > in Guru Gita which is from "SKANDA PURANA" says contary to what was > written above. Many major tantras contradict the above. Personal > opinions are opinions and have no value. The reference to islam is in > poor taste. For a shisya, Guru is more than God and HAS TO BE > WORSHIPPED. There is absolutely no moxa without worshipping the Guru. Satish I respectfully request you to adopt a milder tone. Is it not enough to lay the facts on the table and leave the matter at that. Especially (in this context) using all capital letters in words is like shouting out loud (an internet etiquette). Let us take this discussion purely at philosophical level. (side note: The true context of capital letters, originally in Greek, was to praise great men and women. That is, when ancient greeks used to refer to great ones, they use capitals. That is why when I refer to ambaa, I use SHE, HER, etc.) AUM umAmaheshvaraabhyaannamaH AUM shrImAtre namaH AUM namaH shivAya AUM namaH shivAbhyAm Archives : http://www.ambaa.org/ (Edited) : /messages// Contact : help Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Namah Shivaya , In the context of Lord Shiva's incarnations and the Guru/God dialog, i would like to add my 2c worth.. Ambaa is 'Guru mandala rupini'. Every True Guru, is Her manifestation. As Lord Krishna says in the Gita, wherever one sees Greatness one should know it's a ray of the Lord acting . Also the term' brahmavid Brahmaiva bhavati'- the True knower of Brahman becomes Brahman. She is The Source of all Light and She manifests as the Guru. In this context, provided the Guru is a Self Realized Mahatma, the Guru can and should be considered a manifestation of God. And therefore it will not be wrong to consider Sri Shankara, or other Mahatmas as manifestations of the Lord. Vishnu , Shiva are all forms of the One Supreme. It is our minds that draw these walls between the forms of The One and say 'this is an incarnation of Vishnu not Shiva etc'- for where Vishnu is Shiva is, and vice versa. Sri Krishna says 'I am the Atman in all beings, I am Vishnu, I am Shiva'.... When the Supreme Shakti creates it is called Brahma, when it sustains, it is Govinda, when it destroys it is Rudra, when it veils it is Ishwara and when it reveals , it is SadaShiva- refer the sahasranama 'Shristhikarthri Brahma Rupa Goptri Govinda Rupini Samhaarini Rudra rupa...'. Jai Ma. bala _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Avatars are also possible. As Lord Krishna Says in Bhagavat Gita in " yada yada hi Dhrmashya... yuge yuge" Also Ambha in Devi Mahatmya, "yada yada bhadha ..". Subramaniam Sankaran On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 satisharigela wrote : > shrIH > namaste > > Well this discussion has been long, but one thing > is very easily > > inferable. We Hindus have got to the syndrome of > asssigning avatArs > > to most of the great people we encounter. Look at > todays state where > > so many swAmijis are being claimed by avatAr of > one or the other !! > > In this case I like the concept of Islam (Though > it is not something > > that is not there in our religion, we just missed > the thread > > somewhere in the middle) that only God is > worshippable and any body > > including Mohammad can only be respected and not > worshipped. There > > were good enough reason for us Hindus to consider > the gurus as gods > > (guru sAxAt parabrahma), because they are our > interface which makes > > us to link to the Supreme. When we say somebody > who helped us in > > need, "You came like God" why not the > gurus be seen as though they > > are gods ! But the problem we are over applying > things. When we > tell > > the one who helped as you are the god, one doesn't > really mean it. > > But in case of gurus we seem to have lost that > point !! > What was written above is TOTALLY WRONG > and BASELESS.Every shloka > in Guru Gita which is from "SKANDA PURANA" > says contary to what was > written above. Many major tantras contradict the above. > Personal > opinions are opinions and have no value. The reference > to islam is in > poor taste. For a shisya, Guru is more than God and HAS > TO BE > WORSHIPPED. There is absolutely no moxa without > worshipping the Guru. > Sponsor > AUM shrImAtre namaH > AUM namaH shivAya > AUM namaH shivAbhyAm > Archives : > http://www.ambaa.org/ > (Edited) > > : > /messages// > Contact : help > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Avatars are also possible. As Lord Krishna Says in Bhagavat Gita in " yada yada hi Dhrmashya... yuge yuge" Also Ambha in Devi Mahatmya, "yada yada bhadha ..". Subramaniam Sankaran On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 satisharigela wrote : > shrIH > namaste > > Well this discussion has been long, but one thing > is very easily > > inferable. We Hindus have got to the syndrome of > asssigning avatArs > > to most of the great people we encounter. Look at > todays state where > > so many swAmijis are being claimed by avatAr of > one or the other !! > > In this case I like the concept of Islam (Though > it is not something > > that is not there in our religion, we just missed > the thread > > somewhere in the middle) that only God is > worshippable and any body > > including Mohammad can only be respected and not > worshipped. There > > were good enough reason for us Hindus to consider > the gurus as gods > > (guru sAxAt parabrahma), because they are our > interface which makes > > us to link to the Supreme. When we say somebody > who helped us in > > need, "You came like God" why not the > gurus be seen as though they > > are gods ! But the problem we are over applying > things. When we > tell > > the one who helped as you are the god, one doesn't > really mean it. > > But in case of gurus we seem to have lost that > point !! > What was written above is TOTALLY WRONG > and BASELESS.Every shloka > in Guru Gita which is from "SKANDA PURANA" > says contary to what was > written above. Many major tantras contradict the above. > Personal > opinions are opinions and have no value. The reference > to islam is in > poor taste. For a shisya, Guru is more than God and HAS > TO BE > WORSHIPPED. There is absolutely no moxa without > worshipping the Guru. > Sponsor > AUM shrImAtre namaH > AUM namaH shivAya > AUM namaH shivAbhyAm > Archives : > http://www.ambaa.org/ > (Edited) > > : > /messages// > Contact : help > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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