Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 Daer Colin, At 12:36 PM 1/2/02 -0800, you wrote: >Can anyone post information about and/or words to the >original 14 sylable mantra given by Lord siva that is >the bases for all language? > >Thank You, >Colin The Great Paramaachaarya of Kanchi has spoken about this. Please find the article in the following URL - http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part7/chap2.htm I give the excerpt for the relevant matter below: <beginning of quote> The story of Panini is told in the Katha-sarit-sagara. In Pataliputra (modern Patna), in Magadha, there were two men called Varsopadhyaya and Upavarsopadhyaya - the second was the younger of the two. Upakosala was Upavarsopadhyaya's daughter. Panini and Vararuci were Varsopadhyaya's students. Panini made little progress in his lessons. So his teacher asked him to go to the Himalaya and practise austerities. The student did so and through the grace of Isvara received the power to witness the tandava dance of Nataraja. With this divine gift of the Lord, Panini indeed saw the tandava and heard the fourteen sounds at its conclusion. For him these sounds meant the fourteen cardinal sutras of grammar and on them he based his Astadhyayi. As its very name suggests, this work, which is the source book of Sanskrit grammar, has eight chapters. The fourteen sounds are recited at the upakarma ceremony. Since they emanated from the drum of Mahesvara(Nataraja), they are called "Mahesvarasutras". Human beings can produce only inarticulate sounds on the musical instruments played by them. The hand of Paramesvara is verliy the Nadabrahman and Sabdabrahaman incarnate, so his cappu on the damaruka at the conclusion of his tandava sounded as a series(garland) of fourteen letters: 1. a i un; 2. rlk; 3. e on; 4. ai auc; 5. hayavarat; 6. lan; 7. nama nana nam; 8. jha bha n; 9. gha da dha s; 10. ja ba ga da da s; 11. kha pha cha tha tha catatav; 12. kapay; 13. sa sa sar; 14. hal-iti Mahesvarani sutrani. When you listen to these sutras at the upakarma ceremony, you are amused. You repeat them after the priest without knowing what they are all about. They are the concluding strokes Siva made on his drum as he stopped dancing, stopped whirling round and round. We say, don't we, that the anklets sound "jal-jal", that the damaru sounds "timu-timu", that the tavil sounds "dhum-dhum"? These are not of course the sounds actually produced by the respective drums. Even so the words give us some idea of the beats. We don't say "pi-pi" to describe the sound of a drum or "dhum-dhum" to describe the sound of the pipe. The sound produced by plucking the strings of the instrements like the veena is usually described as "toyn-toyng". From this it follows that, thought the musical instruments do not produce articulate sounds, they create the impression of producing the phonemes of human speech. If this be so in the case of instruments played by humans, why should not the drum beaten by Nataraja during his pancakrtya dance produce articulate sounds? How did Panini make use of the fourteen sounds? He created an index from the sutras to vocalise the letters or syllables together. According to the arrangement made by him, the first letter or syllable of a sutra voiced with the last letter or syllable of another sutra will indicate the letters or syllables in between. For example, the first syllable of "hayavarat", "ha", and the last letter of "hal", "l", together make "hal". This embraces all the consonants in between. Similarly, the first letter of the first sutra, "a", and the last letter of the fourth sutra together form "ac"-this includes all the vowels. The first letter of the first sutra and the last letter of the fourteenth sutra together form "al" - it includes all letters. "Halantasya" is one of the sutras of Astadhyayi. "Al" itself has come to mean writing. "A-kara" is the first letter in all languages. In Urdu it is alif; in Greek it is alpha. Both are to be derived from "al". So too "alphabet" in English. Here is another fact to support the view that, once upon a time, the Vedic religion was prevalent all over the world. We know thus that the prime source of grammar is constituted by the Mahesvara-sutras emanating from the drum of Nataraja. Since Paramesvara was the cause of the sabda-sastras (all sciences relating to sound, speech), "grammar-pavilions" have been built in Siva temples, but not in Visnu shrines. <end of quote> Regards JayBee ================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Superb. As the Acharya said, during the upakarma, we do laugh when we are asked to repeat these sutras. The explantion of how these came into being is very enlightening. Jaybee, thank you Ranganath - jaybee Cc: Colin Earl Friday, January 04, 2002 10:38 AM Re: Original Mantra from Siva Daer Colin, At 12:36 PM 1/2/02 -0800, you wrote: >Can anyone post information about and/or words to the >original 14 sylable mantra given by Lord siva that is >the bases for all language? > >Thank You, >Colin The Great Paramaachaarya of Kanchi has spoken about this. Please find the article in the following URL - http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part7/chap2.htm I give the excerpt for the relevant matter below: <beginning of quote> The story of Panini is told in the Katha-sarit-sagara. In Pataliputra (modern Patna), in Magadha, there were two men called Varsopadhyaya and Upavarsopadhyaya - the second was the younger of the two. Upakosala was Upavarsopadhyaya's daughter. Panini and Vararuci were Varsopadhyaya's students. Panini made little progress in his lessons. So his teacher asked him to go to the Himalaya and practise austerities. The student did so and through the grace of Isvara received the power to witness the tandava dance of Nataraja. With this divine gift of the Lord, Panini indeed saw the tandava and heard the fourteen sounds at its conclusion. For him these sounds meant the fourteen cardinal sutras of grammar and on them he based his Astadhyayi. As its very name suggests, this work, which is the source book of Sanskrit grammar, has eight chapters. The fourteen sounds are recited at the upakarma ceremony. Since they emanated from the drum of Mahesvara(Nataraja), they are called "Mahesvarasutras". Human beings can produce only inarticulate sounds on the musical instruments played by them. The hand of Paramesvara is verliy the Nadabrahman and Sabdabrahaman incarnate, so his cappu on the damaruka at the conclusion of his tandava sounded as a series(garland) of fourteen letters: 1. a i un; 2. rlk; 3. e on; 4. ai auc; 5. hayavarat; 6. lan; 7. nama nana nam; 8. jha bha n; 9. gha da dha s; 10. ja ba ga da da s; 11. kha pha cha tha tha catatav; 12. kapay; 13. sa sa sar; 14. hal-iti Mahesvarani sutrani. When you listen to these sutras at the upakarma ceremony, you are amused. You repeat them after the priest without knowing what they are all about. They are the concluding strokes Siva made on his drum as he stopped dancing, stopped whirling round and round. We say, don't we, that the anklets sound "jal-jal", that the damaru sounds "timu-timu", that the tavil sounds "dhum-dhum"? These are not of course the sounds actually produced by the respective drums. Even so the words give us some idea of the beats. We don't say "pi-pi" to describe the sound of a drum or "dhum-dhum" to describe the sound of the pipe. The sound produced by plucking the strings of the instrements like the veena is usually described as "toyn-toyng". From this it follows that, thought the musical instruments do not produce articulate sounds, they create the impression of producing the phonemes of human speech. If this be so in the case of instruments played by humans, why should not the drum beaten by Nataraja during his pancakrtya dance produce articulate sounds? How did Panini make use of the fourteen sounds? He created an index from the sutras to vocalise the letters or syllables together. According to the arrangement made by him, the first letter or syllable of a sutra voiced with the last letter or syllable of another sutra will indicate the letters or syllables in between. For example, the first syllable of "hayavarat", "ha", and the last letter of "hal", "l", together make "hal". This embraces all the consonants in between. Similarly, the first letter of the first sutra, "a", and the last letter of the fourth sutra together form "ac"-this includes all the vowels. The first letter of the first sutra and the last letter of the fourteenth sutra together form "al" - it includes all letters. "Halantasya" is one of the sutras of Astadhyayi. "Al" itself has come to mean writing. "A-kara" is the first letter in all languages. In Urdu it is alif; in Greek it is alpha. Both are to be derived from "al". So too "alphabet" in English. Here is another fact to support the view that, once upon a time, the Vedic religion was prevalent all over the world. We know thus that the prime source of grammar is constituted by the Mahesvara-sutras emanating from the drum of Nataraja. Since Paramesvara was the cause of the sabda-sastras (all sciences relating to sound, speech), "grammar-pavilions" have been built in Siva temples, but not in Visnu shrines. <end of quote> Regards JayBee ================================= AUM shrImAtre namaH AUM namaH shivAya AUM namaH shivAbhyAm Archives : http://www.ambaa.org/ (Edited) : /messages// Contact : help Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 At 02:53 PM 1/4/02 +0800, you wrote: >Superb. > >As the Acharya said, during the upakarma, we do laugh when we are asked to repeat these sutras. The explantion of how these came into being is very enlightening. > >Jaybee, thank you > >Ranganath Actually I knew that the Paramaachaariyaar's words on this matter were in the 'Deivaththin Kural'. But it is in Tamil. Before I could find that volume and write out a translation, someone else had written some URLs about it. So left it at that. I had written a Tamil article in the Agathiyar Group about Gunadya's Brihath Katha which he composed in the Paisachi language. A famous Tamil writer, EraMurugan asked about the Paisachi language. I made a search in the web. It took me to the Paramachaariyaar's article which I subsequently introduced to this group. Well, I was not surprised. Because I already have had many such experiences with the Paramaachaariyaar. Regards JayBee > - > jaybee > > Cc: Colin Earl > Friday, January 04, 2002 10:38 AM > Re: Original Mantra from Siva > > > > Daer Colin, > > At 12:36 PM 1/2/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Can anyone post information about and/or words to the > >original 14 sylable mantra given by Lord siva that is > >the bases for all language? > > > >Thank You, > >Colin > > > The Great Paramaachaarya of Kanchi has spoken > about this. > Please find the article in the following URL - > > http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part7/chap2.htm > > I give the excerpt for the relevant matter below: > > <beginning of quote> > The story of Panini is told in the Katha-sarit-sagara. In Pataliputra > (modern Patna), in Magadha, there were two men called Varsopadhyaya and > Upavarsopadhyaya - the second was the younger of the two. Upakosala was > Upavarsopadhyaya's daughter. Panini and Vararuci were Varsopadhyaya's > students. Panini made little progress in his lessons. So his teacher asked > him to go to the Himalaya and practise austerities. The student did so and > through the grace of Isvara received the power to witness the tandava dance > of Nataraja. With this divine gift of the Lord, Panini indeed saw the > tandava and heard the fourteen sounds at its conclusion. For him these > sounds meant the fourteen cardinal sutras of grammar and on them he based > his Astadhyayi. As its very name suggests, this work, which is the source > book of Sanskrit grammar, has eight chapters. > > The fourteen sounds are recited at the upakarma ceremony. Since they > emanated from the drum of Mahesvara(Nataraja), they are called > "Mahesvarasutras". Human beings can produce only inarticulate sounds on the > musical instruments played by them. The hand of Paramesvara is verliy the > Nadabrahman and Sabdabrahaman incarnate, so his cappu on the damaruka at > the conclusion of his tandava sounded as a series(garland) of fourteen > letters: > > 1. a i un; 2. rlk; 3. e on; 4. ai auc; 5. hayavarat; 6. lan; 7. nama nana > nam; 8. jha bha n; 9. gha da dha s; 10. ja ba ga da da s; 11. kha pha cha > tha tha catatav; 12. kapay; 13. sa sa sar; 14. hal-iti Mahesvarani sutrani. > > When you listen to these sutras at the upakarma ceremony, you are amused. > You repeat them after the priest without knowing what they are all about. > They are the concluding strokes Siva made on his drum as he stopped > dancing, stopped whirling round and round. > > We say, don't we, that the anklets sound "jal-jal", that the damaru sounds > "timu-timu", that the tavil sounds "dhum-dhum"? These are not of course the > sounds actually produced by the respective drums. Even so the words give us > some idea of the beats. We don't say "pi-pi" to describe the sound of a > drum or "dhum-dhum" to describe the sound of the pipe. The sound produced > by plucking the strings of the instrements like the veena is usually > described as "toyn-toyng". From this it follows that, thought the musical > instruments do not produce articulate sounds, they create the impression of > producing the phonemes of human speech. If this be so in the case of > instruments played by humans, why should not the drum beaten by Nataraja > during his pancakrtya dance produce articulate sounds? > > How did Panini make use of the fourteen sounds? He created an index from > the sutras to vocalise the letters or syllables together. According to the > arrangement made by him, the first letter or syllable of a sutra voiced > with the last letter or syllable of another sutra will indicate the letters > or syllables in between. For example, the first syllable of "hayavarat", > "ha", and the last letter of "hal", "l", together make "hal". This embraces > all the consonants in between. Similarly, the first letter of the first > sutra, "a", and the last letter of the fourth sutra together form "ac"-this > includes all the vowels. The first letter of the first sutra and the last > letter of the fourteenth sutra together form "al" - it includes all letters. > > "Halantasya" is one of the sutras of Astadhyayi. "Al" itself has come to > mean writing. > > "A-kara" is the first letter in all languages. In Urdu it is alif; in Greek > it is alpha. Both are to be derived from "al". So too "alphabet" in > English. Here is another fact to support the view that, once upon a time, > the Vedic religion was prevalent all over the world. > > We know thus that the prime source of grammar is constituted by the > Mahesvara-sutras emanating from the drum of Nataraja. Since Paramesvara was > the cause of the sabda-sastras (all sciences relating to sound, speech), > "grammar-pavilions" have been built in Siva temples, but not in Visnu shrines. > <end of quote> > > Regards > > JayBee > > ================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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