Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 My understanding is the Sri Suktam is not limited to Lakshmi. Sri Suktam chanting can be done for any form of the Mother. I don't believe Sri Suktam as a vidhi for Devi puja to be uncommon. If my tradition we chant a Samputita Sri Suktam fenced with verses from the Durga Saptasloki. I pass this on as advice from a qualified guru to those who own Sri Chakras. Yes, Sri Suktam should be learned and chanted properly, but how you can forbid women, Devi's embodiment on earth, from chanting her praises? I will never understand this thinking. This is a tradition who's root is to keep knowlege away from women to keep power, something my sampradaya does not to. Colin <SNIP>:Take for instance your suggestion, according to the tradition only male dvija-s (twice born) who are initiated to upanayana and who taught by a guru to chant correctly according to svara-s can say shrii suuktam. This is not withstanding the fact the shriisuktam is traditionally considered to be addressed to mahalaaxmi**. However, there is specific form of shrii chakram for mahaalaxmi, but the normal shrii chakram is representation of shiva- shakti (see lalita trishatii -- phala shruti). On the contrary one may be better chanting works like umAmaheshvara stotram or ardhanaariishvara stotram ( both are works of shankara). My 2c. Ravi ** there is a shiva-vishishhTaadvaita interpretation of shrii suuktam as being addressed to gauri. > Colin ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:23:22 -0000 "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii Re: paN^guni uttiram , "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> wrote: > namaH shivAbhyAm > > Tomorrow (Thursday March 28th 2002) is the auspicious paN^guNi > uttiram. It occurs during the miina maasa (tamil paN^guni) when the > naxatra is uttira phalguni. This day is also known as kalyaaNa > vratam. You can find more details on how to observe it, etc. on the > shaivam page. The date I quoted is correct only for countries such as India. For the US, it was on 27th. Probably, the specific guideline on how to arrive at the date should be available in the purana which discusses this. I looked for a general guideline (since I did not know the specific). VaidyanAtha diixitiyam says this under the section called panchadashi (for paurnami and amaavasya) nirNayam. If the event is based on the naxatra instead of the tithi -- then things like snAna and dAna is determined based on udaya vyApti, and vrata-s etc. are observed based on astamana or nishi vyApti-s. I guess (probably) that is the reason why even though on 28th (at New York) uttara phalguni naxatra was there till 7:00+ am (I think after sunrise) -- New York temple panchangam has panguni uttiram on 27th. Any comments/corrections? TIA. Ravi ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:27:08 -0000 "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii Re: ThirumuRai Series - 79 The following reminded me of the verse "karasthe hemAdrau" of shivAnandalahari. > Notes: > 1. Isn't it this Lord Who gave kubera all the > covetous wealth ? Isn't it this Lord Who gave > Indra airAvatham to ride and the nectar to the > divines but took nothing but poision from the > ocean ? If it was not for this Lord - the > auspicious - how would have the divines and the > daemons survived the poison ? Isn't He the One Who > stands alone in spite of eating poison when even > the divines who ate the nectar die ? Isn't that > Eternal Lord the most affluent ? For the ones who > need to establish their well being all the external > adornation is required. Why should the Peerless > Supreme that is the source of all our prosperities > need external show off, while It Itself is the > Ultimate Auspiciousness ! > 2. cf. shivanenum Ochai - appar > 3. eeRu - bull; kaaDu - forst (here cemetry); > peRRi - asset/prosperity > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:19:18 -0600 "Aravind Krishna" <seeksha ..Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham.. ..kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham . kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena . kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena kAmAdi mukti yashaskena.. .. kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena . The sustainer of the entire creation, shriiman naarayaNa (pavaza kanivai perumal from tiruparamkundram) offered his sister the divine bride miinaxi to the lord of the universe. He washed the holy feet of somasundareshvara and offered madhu-parkam. .. karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena . Compassion (KaaruNya rasam) gushed out of the lotus eyes of Lord Sundareshvara and blessed the entire universe. ..kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena . Facing west, miinaxi had her right hand fingers joined together like a coral kuvalaya puShpa. Turning east, Parameshvara lowed his right palm and gently held kaameshvari’s hand. The entire creation was blessed due to this paaNigrahaNam. ..kAmAdi mukti yashaskena.. The clutches of the cupid, and other internal enemies vanishes from the heart of those who constantly meditate on this divine form of ‘ kalyaaNa-sundareshvara’. kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham . Let the divine couple shrii miinakshi devi and sundareshvari bless us all. ...Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham.. Aravind Your eyes could feast on these Tanjure pictures. http://www.thanjavurpaintings.com/cmeenakshi.html _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ______________________ ______________________ Message: 8 Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:45:34 -0800 (PST) Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh ThirumuRai Series - 81 thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu thalam podhu (Common) paN kauchikam muunRaam thirumuRai thiruppAsuram thiruchchiRRambalam aaTpaalavarkku aruLum aadhi maaNbum keeTpaanpugil aLavillai kiLakkavENDaa kooTpaalanavum vinaiyum kuRugaamai en^dhai thaaTpaal vaNaN^gith thalain^inRu ivai keeTkath thakkaar thiruchchiRRambalam Meaning: Grace for those who are owned (devotees) and the Grandeur of the Source is limitless, if started to listen to ! So don't merely investigate (to see the end of the same). The planetary effects and the deeds (karma) will not near those who salute our Lord's Feet and listen to these (Fame) sincerely (with devotion). Notes: 1. The Glory of God is boundless. It is beyond the limits of even brahma and viShNu leave alone the humans to completely explore. While analysis is needed the mere research without essence will lead nowhere in that great ocean. So instead of trying to drain out the ocean with a small bowl and measure its depth, should enjoy whatever handful of that nectar of Lord shiva's Glory loosing ourselves into It ! 2. This is a very valuable piece sambandhar perumAn has given us. Many people do lots of researches on various philosophies and compare some very minute (and often least significant) details and just end up in a confused boat. If atleast some effort has been made put some devotion to the Supreme in action, it would have brought in great returns !! ===== --------------------------- Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org --------------------------- Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 9 Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh ThirumuRai Series - 82 (thiruppAchuram is the padhikam sambandhar told pANDiyan n^inRa chIr n^eDumARan as a guru. The meaning of this padhikam is intense. chEkkizAr has written quite some elaborations for this whole padhikam, while no other padhikam has got this kind of special commentary in periya purANam. Given such great importance of this padhikam all the hymns in this padhikam are being presented in ThirumuRai Series (from 89 to 90). So there would be many sent in these two days to cover complete padhikam before April. The explanations here would be very little compared to the deep meanings this enlightening poem gives. So please contemplate on each of these verses to get more out. "pAchuram pADinAr para chamayaN^gaL pARA") thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu thalam podhu (Common) paN kauchikam muunRaam thirumuRai thiruppAsuram thiruchchiRRambalam eedhukkaLaalum eDuththa moziyaalum mikkuch choodhikka veeNDaa chuDarviTTuLan eN^gaL choodhi maadhukkam n^iiN^galuRuviir manampaRRi vaazmin chaadhukkaL mikkiir iRaiyee van^dhu chaarminkaLee thiruchchiRRambalam Meaning: With cause, reasoning and with the words used for presenting don't get too much into examination, because our Lord is explicitly glowing resplendently ! You will be removed of your great sorrows, hold on to Him and live ! Oh serene ones and all others come and hinge only on the God ! Notes: 1. One cannot and mostly should not go just by faith. If the one believed turns out to be the truth it is safe, with least effort most returns are got. But it happens to be not true the result will be detrimental depending upon how bad it is. So one has to check to ones own satisfaction that the chosen thing is not the wrong one. On the other hand when one keeps on questioning without getting satisfied at some point, fine the Truth will certainly keep answering either immediately or with whatever delays, but the seeker by then could have wasted all the time in knowing what without looking at how that truth could be utilized ! For example if one wants to find the presence of a heat source there is a way to keep calculating the difference in heat levels at various points and finally arrive at the burning point. But when one is able to see a huge flame dazzling, why go for such laborious techniques ? (unless one really wants to) The divine language of saint thirunyAna sambandhar has used the chosen word "mikkuch chOdhikka vENDA". There are religions that call for "just faith" and there is another class (including rationalism) that just insists on digging on and on without translating the truths observed into practice. kuravar sambandhar clarly drives away our quandary, "Analyze to get the first concepts right. Then You can feel our Lord shiva and stay in that Luminance ! There will be no doubts any more ! Hold on to That Supreme ! That is your way to the Bliss !!" 2. iRaiyE could also be interpreted as atleast a bit. In that case the meaning could be, "Oh serene ones and all others at least hold on to the Lord a bit. (You will be benefited accordingly)" ===== --------------------------- Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org --------------------------- Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 10 Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:29:13 -0800 (PST) Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh ThirumuRai Series - 83 thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu thalam podhu (Common) paN kauchikam muunRaam thirumuRai thiruppAchuram thiruchchiRRambalam aaDum enavum arun^kuuRRam udhaiththu veedham paaDum enavum pugazalladhu paavam n^iiN^gak keeDum piRappum aRukkum enakkeeTTiraagil n^aaDum thiRaththaarkku aruLalladhu n^aaTTalaamee thiruchchiRRambalam Meaning: If you hear that It Dances, that It kicks the death and sings the words of wisdom, that keeping the fame removing the sins It destroys the devastation and birth, will It bestow anything other than Grace on those who seek ?! Notes: 1. Who got dismayed worshipping our God shiva ? It dances in Bliss putting us also into bliss. It kicks even the death when the devotion is flawless. Ultimately It is the only One who can cut off our births ! It is more than the mother, whether It gives sweet or sour medicine for those who seek It will always benefit. Other than shiva (auspicious) who else can be more auspicious to us ? ===== --------------------------- Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org --------------------------- Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 11 Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:30:06 -0800 (PST) Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh ThirumuRai Series - 84 thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu thalam podhu (Common) paN kauchikam muunRaam thirumuRai thiruppAchuram thiruchchiRRambalam kaDicheern^dha poodhu malaraana kaikkoNDu n^alla paDicheern^dha paalkoNDaN^gu aaTTiDath thaadhai paNDu muDicheern^dha kaalai aRa veTTiDa mukkaN muurthi aDicheern^dha vaNNam aRivaar cholak keeTTumanRee thiruchchiRRambalam Meaning: Offering the fragrant flowers in hand, bathing (the Lord) with the pure milk, when worshipping, the father who tried to kick (the shivalingam), cutting those legs off one who reached the Holy Feet of the Three-eyed Lord, that story don't we hear from the wise ?! Notes: 1. One of the two very talked about nAyanmAr, chaNDIsar's great devotion and the reward for the same is depicted here. The peerless young child chaNDIsar who steadfast in his devotion, without even bothering it was his own father who was doing the misdeed at the beloved God, removed the hindrance and focussed on the worship ! If so is the devotion how much could be the reward from the Gracious Lord ? He got an unthinkable place and rights at the abode of God. He comes along with shiva kuTumba as panychamUrthi representing all the devotees with the deer, axe and bull vAhana like the God ! The devotion at the altar of Lord siva will be suitably rewarded, is beyond doubt. ===== --------------------------- Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org --------------------------- Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 12 Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh ThirumuRai Series - 85 thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu thalam podhu (Common) paN kauchikam muunRaam thirumuRai thiruppAsuram thiruchchiRRambalam veedha mudhalvan mudhalaaga viLaN^gi vaiyam eedhap paDaamai ulagaththavar eeththal cheyyap puudha mudhalvan mudhalee mudhalaagap polin^dha chuudhan olimaalai enRee kalikkoovai chollee thiruchchiRRambalam Meaning: The Source of the supreme wisdom being the Source of this world, without much troubled with the difficulties for the people to praise (and elevate themselves), maintaining the supremacy of the Supreme Lord of elements to be the supreme thing the words of sUdhar (purANas) beautifully narrate. (Lord shiva's Glory) Notes: 1. The purANas hail the Supremacy of Lord shiva. They describe the splendid deeds of the Lord and the great benefits the seekers got by worshipping that Lord. It is quite interesting to note that 10 of the currently available 18 purANas clearly talk of the supremacy of Lord shiva. ===== --------------------------- Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org --------------------------- Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 13 Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh ThirumuRai Series - 86 thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu thalam podhu (Common) paN kauchikam muunRaam thirumuRai thiruppAsuram thiruchchiRRambalam paaraazi vaTTam pagaiyaal n^alin^dhaaTTa ADip peeraaziyaanadhiDar kaNDu aruL cheydhal peeNi n^iiraazi viTTeeRi n^enychiDam koNDaarkkup pooraazi iin^dha pugazum pugazuRRadhanRee thiruchchiRRambalam Meaning: The ocean surrounded world suffering a lot with enmity, wanting to shower Grace (bestow peace) as the world was in the ocean of suffering, providing the great disc arm to the one who rose from the ocean and held the Lord in his heart (mahAviShNu), isn't that fame renowned ?! Notes: 1. The receipt of sudarshana chakra from the Lord by mahAviShNu is depicted here. Highly reverend viShNu with lots of devotion offered even his eye as a flower to the Lord shiva Feet. The Lord blessed viShNu with the sudarshana chakra, with which mahA viShNu protects this world and brings in stability. 2. Azi - ocean, disc. ===== --------------------------- Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org --------------------------- Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings./ ______________________ ______________________ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 Dear Sir, 1) There are better, easy and legitimate ways to please mahaalaxmii, for instance chanting works like kanakadhAra stotram of our revered aacharya. SHE will like HER children worship HER in their own words in a natural way -- than to do things which are prohibited. Unlike works in puraNa etc (where injunctions are sometimes ignored as artha vaada), injunctions pertaining to shruti has to be adhered to correctly. 2) What you have written below -- I am confident -- will not be acceptable to traditional maTha-s like shr^ingeri or kAnchi. 3) shrii suuktam is a **vedic mantra**. There are definite rules on who can chant it. Next time when you visit shringeri or kAnchi, please ask the aacharya-s about it. 4) shrii suuktam inherently very beautiful (like lalita sahasranamam), it should sound exceedingly beautiful no matter who chants it. 5) karma phala is in the realm of iishvara's control. And it is adhRShTa. You can not and will not be able to make a direct correlation on what made someone rich and what makes someone poor. At best you can only guess. Somebody may be become rich or poor due to prArabdha and may not have nothing to do with what happpens in the current birth. That is why vaLLuvar beautifully says avviya nenjaththaan aakkamum chevviyaan keDum ninaikkappaDum. 6) I have no personal opinion on this matter and I merely mentioned what I have learnt, espcially from "Hindu Dharma" kamakoti.org. maha periyavaa makes these matter more than clear. I sincerely hope that I did not offend you. This is my last post on this topic. Please do correct me if you think I am wrong. With respects, Ravi , "kaushik" <kaushik@n...> wrote: > I am verymuch agreeing with u. i quote an example > my sisters daughter learnt the suktham through a > guru and when u hear her chanting in the early morning > 4.00 hrs, u r simply mesmerised. i could visualise mother > further she was so poor financially when she started this. > but to day she is showered with wealth like anything > i have read the translation of this in Bhavan's journal > many years back. what is said as palasruthi is absolutely > true to the word.her chanting is so excellent,even great > pandits cannot achieve it. Women r more powerful > in the worship of Devi as u have correctly said it as > Devis embodiment. they r very near to Devi. > > kaushik > > - > "Colin" <colin@s...> > > Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:28 PM > Chanting Sri Suktam > > > > My understanding is the Sri Suktam is not limited to Lakshmi. Sri Suktam > > chanting can be done for any form of the Mother. I don't believe Sri > Suktam > > as a vidhi for Devi puja to be uncommon. If my tradition we chant a > > Samputita Sri Suktam fenced with verses from the Durga Saptasloki. I pass > > this on as advice from a qualified guru to those who own Sri Chakras. > > Yes, Sri Suktam should be learned and chanted properly, but how you can > > forbid women, Devi's embodiment on earth, from chanting her praises? I > will > > never understand this thinking. This is a tradition who's root is to keep > > knowlege away from women to keep power, something my sampradaya does not > > to. > > > > Colin > > > > <SNIP>:Take for instance your suggestion, according to the > > tradition only male dvija-s (twice born) who are initiated to > > upanayana and who taught by a guru to chant correctly according to > > svara-s can say shrii suuktam. This is not withstanding the fact the > > shriisuktam is traditionally considered to be addressed to > > mahalaaxmi**. However, there is specific form of shrii chakram for > > mahaalaxmi, but the normal shrii chakram is representation of shiva- > > shakti (see lalita trishatii -- phala shruti). On the contrary one > > may be better chanting works like umAmaheshvara stotram or > > ardhanaariishvara stotram ( both are works of shankara). > > My 2c. > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > ** there is a shiva-vishishhTaadvaita interpretation of shrii suuktam > > as being addressed to gauri. > > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 5 > > Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:23:22 -0000 > > "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> > > Re: paN^guni uttiram > > > > , "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> wrote: > > > namaH shivAbhyAm > > > > > > Tomorrow (Thursday March 28th 2002) is the auspicious paN^guNi > > > uttiram. It occurs during the miina maasa (tamil paN^guni) when the > > > naxatra is uttira phalguni. This day is also known as kalyaaNa > > > vratam. You can find more details on how to observe it, etc. on the > > > shaivam page. > > > > > > The date I quoted is correct only for countries such as India. For > > the US, it was on 27th. Probably, the specific guideline on how to > > arrive at the date should be available in the purana which discusses > > this. I looked for a general guideline (since I did not know the > > specific). VaidyanAtha diixitiyam says this under the section called > > panchadashi (for paurnami and amaavasya) nirNayam. If the event is > > based on the naxatra instead of the tithi -- then things like snAna > > and dAna is determined based on udaya vyApti, and vrata-s etc. are > > observed based on astamana or nishi vyApti-s. I guess (probably) > > that is the reason why even though on 28th (at New York) uttara > > phalguni naxatra was there till 7:00+ am (I think after sunrise) - - > > New York temple panchangam has panguni uttiram on 27th. Any > > comments/corrections? > > > > TIA. > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 6 > > Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:27:08 -0000 > > "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> > > Re: ThirumuRai Series - 79 > > > > The following reminded me of the verse "karasthe hemAdrau" of > > shivAnandalahari. > > > > > Notes: > > > 1. Isn't it this Lord Who gave kubera all the > > > covetous wealth ? Isn't it this Lord Who gave > > > Indra airAvatham to ride and the nectar to the > > > divines but took nothing but poision from the > > > ocean ? If it was not for this Lord - the > > > auspicious - how would have the divines and the > > > daemons survived the poison ? Isn't He the One Who > > > stands alone in spite of eating poison when even > > > the divines who ate the nectar die ? Isn't that > > > Eternal Lord the most affluent ? For the ones who > > > need to establish their well being all the external > > > adornation is required. Why should the Peerless > > > Supreme that is the source of all our prosperities > > > need external show off, while It Itself is the > > > Ultimate Auspiciousness ! > > > 2. cf. shivanenum Ochai - appar > > > 3. eeRu - bull; kaaDu - forst (here cemetry); > > > peRRi - asset/prosperity > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 7 > > Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:19:18 -0600 > > "Aravind Krishna" <seeksha@h...> > > ..Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham.. > > > > > > .kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham . > > > > > > kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena . > > kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena kAmAdi mukti yashaskena.. > > > > > > . kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena . > > > > The sustainer of the entire creation, shriiman naarayaNa (pavaza kanivai > > perumal from tiruparamkundram) offered his sister the divine bride miinaxi > > to the lord of the universe. He washed the holy feet of somasundareshvara > > and offered madhu-parkam. > > > > . karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena . > > > > Compassion (KaaruNya rasam) gushed out of the lotus eyes of Lord > > Sundareshvara and blessed the entire universe. > > > > .kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena . > > > > Facing west, miinaxi had her right hand fingers joined together like a > coral > > kuvalaya puShpa. Turning east, Parameshvara lowed his right palm and > gently > > held kaameshvari's hand. The entire creation was blessed due to this > > paaNigrahaNam. > > > > .kAmAdi mukti yashaskena.. > > > > The clutches of the cupid, and other internal enemies vanishes from the > > heart of those who constantly meditate on this divine form of ' > > kalyaaNa-sundareshvara'. > > > > kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham . > > > > Let the divine couple shrii miinakshi devi and sundareshvari bless us all. > > > > > > ..Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham.. > > > > Aravind > > > > > > Your eyes could feast on these Tanjure pictures. > > http://www.thanjavurpaintings.com/cmeenakshi.html > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 8 > > Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:45:34 -0800 (PST) > > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh> > > ThirumuRai Series - 81 > > > > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu > > thalam podhu (Common) > > paN kauchikam > > muunRaam thirumuRai > > > > thiruppAsuram > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > aaTpaalavarkku aruLum aadhi maaNbum > > keeTpaanpugil aLavillai kiLakkavENDaa > > kooTpaalanavum vinaiyum kuRugaamai en^dhai > > thaaTpaal vaNaN^gith thalain^inRu ivai keeTkath > > thakkaar > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > Meaning: > > Grace for those who are owned (devotees) and > > the Grandeur of the Source is limitless, if > > started to listen to ! So don't merely investigate > > (to see the end of the same). The planetary effects > > and the deeds (karma) will not near those who > > salute our Lord's Feet and listen to these (Fame) > > sincerely (with devotion). > > > > Notes: > > 1. The Glory of God is boundless. It is beyond > > the limits of even brahma and viShNu leave alone > > the humans to completely explore. While analysis > > is needed the mere research without essence will > > lead nowhere in that great ocean. So instead of > > trying to drain out the ocean with a small bowl > > and measure its depth, should enjoy whatever handful > > of that nectar of Lord shiva's Glory loosing > > ourselves into It ! > > 2. This is a very valuable piece sambandhar > > perumAn has given us. Many people do lots of > > researches on various philosophies and compare > > some very minute (and often least significant) > > details and just end up in a confused boat. If > > atleast some effort has been made put some > > devotion to the Supreme in action, it would have > > brought in great returns !! > > > > > > ===== > > --------------------------- > > Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > > http://greetings./ > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 9 > > Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) > > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh> > > ThirumuRai Series - 82 > > > > (thiruppAchuram is the padhikam sambandhar told > > pANDiyan n^inRa chIr n^eDumARan as a guru. The > > meaning of this padhikam is intense. chEkkizAr > > has written quite some elaborations for this > > whole padhikam, while no other padhikam has got > > this kind of special commentary in periya purANam. > > Given such great importance of this padhikam all > > the hymns in this padhikam are being presented in > > ThirumuRai Series (from 89 to 90). So there would > > be many sent in these two days to cover complete > > padhikam before April. The explanations here would be > > very little compared to the deep meanings this > > enlightening poem gives. So please contemplate on each > > of these verses to get more out. > > "pAchuram pADinAr para chamayaN^gaL pARA") > > > > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu > > thalam podhu (Common) > > paN kauchikam > > muunRaam thirumuRai > > > > thiruppAsuram > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > eedhukkaLaalum eDuththa moziyaalum mikkuch > > choodhikka veeNDaa chuDarviTTuLan eN^gaL choodhi > > maadhukkam n^iiN^galuRuviir manampaRRi vaazmin > > chaadhukkaL mikkiir iRaiyee van^dhu chaarminkaLee > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > Meaning: > > With cause, reasoning and with the words used > > for presenting don't get too much into > > examination, because our Lord is explicitly > > glowing resplendently ! You will be removed of > > your great sorrows, hold on to Him and live ! > > Oh serene ones and all others come and hinge > > only on the God ! > > > > Notes: > > 1. One cannot and mostly should not go just > > by faith. If the one believed turns out to be > > the truth it is safe, with least effort most > > returns are got. But it happens to be not true > > the result will be detrimental depending upon > > how bad it is. So one has to check to ones own > > satisfaction that the chosen thing is not the wrong > > one. On the other hand when one keeps on > > questioning without getting satisfied at some > > point, fine the Truth will certainly keep > > answering either immediately or with whatever > > delays, but the seeker by then could have wasted > > all the time in knowing what without looking at how > > that truth could be utilized ! > > For example if one wants to find the presence > > of a heat source there is a way to keep calculating > > the difference in heat levels at various points > > and finally arrive at the burning point. But when > > one is able to see a huge flame dazzling, why go > > for such laborious techniques ? (unless one really > > wants to) > > The divine language of saint thirunyAna sambandhar > > has used the chosen word "mikkuch chOdhikka vENDA". > > There are religions that call for "just faith" and > > there is another class (including rationalism) that > > just insists on digging on and on without translating > > the truths observed into practice. kuravar sambandhar > > clarly drives away our quandary, "Analyze to get the > > first concepts right. Then You can feel our Lord shiva > > and stay in that Luminance ! There will be no doubts > > any more ! Hold on to That Supreme ! That is your way > > to the Bliss !!" > > 2. iRaiyE could also be interpreted as atleast a bit. > > In that case the meaning could be, "Oh serene ones > > and all others at least hold on to the Lord a bit. > > (You will be benefited accordingly)" > > > > > > ===== > > --------------------------- > > Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > > http://greetings./ > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 10 > > Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:29:13 -0800 (PST) > > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh> > > ThirumuRai Series - 83 > > > > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu > > thalam podhu (Common) > > paN kauchikam > > muunRaam thirumuRai > > > > thiruppAchuram > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > aaDum enavum arun^kuuRRam udhaiththu veedham > > paaDum enavum pugazalladhu paavam n^iiN^gak > > keeDum piRappum aRukkum enakkeeTTiraagil > > n^aaDum thiRaththaarkku aruLalladhu n^aaTTalaamee > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > Meaning: > > If you hear that It Dances, that It kicks > > the death and sings the words of wisdom, > > that keeping the fame removing the sins > > It destroys the devastation and birth, > > will It bestow anything other than Grace > > on those who seek ?! > > > > Notes: > > 1. Who got dismayed worshipping our God shiva ? > > It dances in Bliss putting us also into bliss. > > It kicks even the death when the devotion is > > flawless. Ultimately It is the only One who can > > cut off our births ! It is more than the mother, > > whether It gives sweet or sour medicine for those > > who seek It will always benefit. Other than > > shiva (auspicious) who else can be more > > auspicious to us ? > > > > > > ===== > > --------------------------- > > Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > > http://greetings./ > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 11 > > Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:30:06 -0800 (PST) > > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh> > > ThirumuRai Series - 84 > > > > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu > > thalam podhu (Common) > > paN kauchikam > > muunRaam thirumuRai > > > > thiruppAchuram > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > kaDicheern^dha poodhu malaraana kaikkoNDu n^alla > > paDicheern^dha paalkoNDaN^gu aaTTiDath thaadhai paNDu > > muDicheern^dha kaalai aRa veTTiDa mukkaN muurthi > > aDicheern^dha vaNNam aRivaar cholak keeTTumanRee > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > Meaning: > > Offering the fragrant flowers in hand, bathing > > (the Lord) with the pure milk, when worshipping, > > the father who tried to kick (the shivalingam), > > cutting those legs off one who reached the > > Holy Feet of the Three-eyed Lord, that story > > don't we hear from the wise ?! > > > > Notes: > > 1. One of the two very talked about nAyanmAr, > > chaNDIsar's great devotion and the reward for > > the same is depicted here. The peerless young > > child chaNDIsar who steadfast in his devotion, > > without even bothering it was his own father > > who was doing the misdeed at the beloved God, > > removed the hindrance and focussed on the > > worship ! If so is the devotion how much could > > be the reward from the Gracious Lord ? He got > > an unthinkable place and rights at the abode of > > God. He comes along with shiva kuTumba as > > panychamUrthi representing all the devotees > > with the deer, axe and bull vAhana like the God ! > > The devotion at the altar of Lord siva will be > > suitably rewarded, is beyond doubt. > > > > > > ===== > > --------------------------- > > Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > > http://greetings./ > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 12 > > Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) > > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh> > > ThirumuRai Series - 85 > > > > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu > > thalam podhu (Common) > > paN kauchikam > > muunRaam thirumuRai > > > > thiruppAsuram > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > veedha mudhalvan mudhalaaga viLaN^gi vaiyam > > eedhap paDaamai ulagaththavar eeththal cheyyap > > puudha mudhalvan mudhalee mudhalaagap polin^dha > > chuudhan olimaalai enRee kalikkoovai chollee > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > Meaning: > > The Source of the supreme wisdom being the > > Source of this world, without much troubled > > with the difficulties for the people to praise > > (and elevate themselves), maintaining the > > supremacy of the Supreme Lord of elements to > > be the supreme thing the words of sUdhar > > (purANas) beautifully narrate. (Lord shiva's > > Glory) > > > > Notes: > > 1. The purANas hail the Supremacy of Lord shiva. > > They describe the splendid deeds of the Lord > > and the great benefits the seekers got by > > worshipping that Lord. It is quite interesting > > to note that 10 of the currently available 18 > > purANas clearly talk of the supremacy of Lord > > shiva. > > > > > > ===== > > --------------------------- > > Visit Shaivism Home Page at http://www.shaivam.org > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > > http://greetings./ > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 13 > > Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) > > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh> > > ThirumuRai Series - 86 > > > > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu > > thalam podhu (Common) > > paN kauchikam > > muunRaam thirumuRai > > > > thiruppAsuram > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > paaraazi vaTTam pagaiyaal n^alin^dhaaTTa ADip > > peeraaziyaanadhiDar kaNDu aruL cheydhal peeNi > > n^iiraazi viTTeeRi n^enychiDam koNDaarkkup > > pooraazi iin^dha pugazum pugazuRRadhanRee > > > > thiruchchiRRambalam > > > > Meaning: > > The ocean surrounded world suffering a lot > > with enmity, wanting to shower Grace (bestow > > peace) as the world was in the ocean of > > suffering, providing the great disc arm to the > > one who rose from the ocean and held the Lord > > in his heart (mahAviShNu), isn't that fame > > renowned ?! > > > > Notes: > > 1. The receipt of sudarshana chakra from the > > Lord by mahAviShNu is depicted here. Highly > > reverend viShNu with lots of devotion offered > > even his eye as a flower to the Lord shiva Feet. > > The Lord blessed viShNu with the sudarshana > > chakra, with which mahA viShNu protects this > > world and brings in stability. > > 2. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 shrIH Namaste, Ravi made it very clear(especially on Karma Phala). All smritis are very clear on who can chant the vedic mantras and who is prohibited from doing so. Regarding Guru vakya- I heard from my teacher that the Taittariya Aranyaka says that if the Guru asks the student to perform something which is in contradiction with Shruti or Smriti the student should refrain from doing so. The Apastamba Dharma Sutras and many other Dharma Sutras as well, express the same opinion. Furthermore, the Lalita Sahasranama says *varNAshramavidhAyini* which says that all these rules and regulations regarding varNa and Ashrama and the restrictions coming along with them are laid by Lalita Parameshvari herself. Varnasrama-Vidhayini [286th]: Law-giver of the form of caste and orders of life. As Vedamata She has laid down the code of conduct of social life to the four Varnas and four Asramas for the ultimate spiritual well-being of the people.) As an aside :Similar restrictions apply to Lalita Sahasranama too- namely, initiation to Srividya or Balatripura Sundari mantropadesha (minimum requirement according to Dakshinamurti samhita-Some Discount:-)). Please correct any misunderstandings. Sarvanullanghya Sasana — Whose command none i.e., not even Trimurtis can transgress. (meanings from:http://www.al- qiyamah.org/kitab_al_munir/sri_lalita_sahasranama_901-1000.htm) shrI LalitAyai namaH regards , "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> wrote: > Dear Sir, > > 1) There are better, easy and legitimate ways to please mahaalaxmii, > for instance chanting works like kanakadhAra stotram of our revered > aacharya. SHE will like HER children worship HER in their own words > in a natural way -- than to do things which are prohibited. Unlike > works in puraNa etc (where injunctions are sometimes ignored as artha > vaada), injunctions pertaining to shruti has to be adhered to > correctly. > > 2) What you have written below -- I am confident -- will not be > acceptable to traditional maTha-s like shr^ingeri or kAnchi. > > 3) shrii suuktam is a **vedic mantra**. There are definite rules on > who can chant it. Next time when you visit shringeri or kAnchi, > please ask the aacharya-s about it. > > 4) shrii suuktam inherently very beautiful (like lalita > sahasranamam), it should sound exceedingly beautiful no matter who > chants it. > > > 5) karma phala is in the realm of iishvara's control. And it is > adhRShTa. You can not and will not be able to make a direct > correlation on what made someone rich and what makes someone poor. At > best you can only guess. Somebody may be become rich or poor due to > prArabdha and may not have nothing to do with what happpens in the > current birth. That is why vaLLuvar beautifully says avviya > nenjaththaan aakkamum chevviyaan keDum ninaikkappaDum. > > > 6) I have no personal opinion on this matter and I merely mentioned > what I have learnt, espcially from "Hindu Dharma" kamakoti.org. maha > periyavaa makes these matter more than clear. I sincerely hope that > I did not offend you. > > > This is my last post on this topic. Please do correct me if you think > I am wrong. > > With respects, > Ravi > > > > > > , "kaushik" <kaushik@n...> wrote: > > I am verymuch agreeing with u. i quote an example > > my sisters daughter learnt the suktham through a > > guru and when u hear her chanting in the early morning > > 4.00 hrs, u r simply mesmerised. i could visualise mother > > further she was so poor financially when she started this. > > but to day she is showered with wealth like anything > > i have read the translation of this in Bhavan's journal > > many years back. what is said as palasruthi is absolutely > > true to the word.her chanting is so excellent,even great > > pandits cannot achieve it. Women r more powerful > > in the worship of Devi as u have correctly said it as > > Devis embodiment. they r very near to Devi. > > > > kaushik > > > > - > > "Colin" <colin@s...> > > > > Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:28 PM > > Chanting Sri Suktam > > > > > > > My understanding is the Sri Suktam is not limited to Lakshmi. Sri > Suktam > > > chanting can be done for any form of the Mother. I don't believe > Sri > > Suktam > > > as a vidhi for Devi puja to be uncommon. If my tradition we chant > a > > > Samputita Sri Suktam fenced with verses from the Durga > Saptasloki. I pass > > > this on as advice from a qualified guru to those who own Sri > Chakras. > > > Yes, Sri Suktam should be learned and chanted properly, but how > you can > > > forbid women, Devi's embodiment on earth, from chanting her > praises? I > > will > > > never understand this thinking. This is a tradition who's root is > to keep > > > knowlege away from women to keep power, something my sampradaya > does not > > > to. > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > <SNIP>:Take for instance your suggestion, according to the > > > tradition only male dvija-s (twice born) who are initiated to > > > upanayana and who taught by a guru to chant correctly according to > > > svara-s can say shrii suuktam. This is not withstanding the fact > the > > > shriisuktam is traditionally considered to be addressed to > > > mahalaaxmi**. However, there is specific form of shrii chakram for > > > mahaalaxmi, but the normal shrii chakram is representation of > shiva- > > > shakti (see lalita trishatii -- phala shruti). On the contrary one > > > may be better chanting works like umAmaheshvara stotram or > > > ardhanaariishvara stotram ( both are works of shankara). > > > My 2c. > > > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > ** there is a shiva-vishishhTaadvaita interpretation of shrii > suuktam > > > as being addressed to gauri. > > > > > > > > > > Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 My mother was a student at National Girls High School, Triplicane, Chennai during the late 1950s and early 1960s. She has been taught to recite the Sri Suktam in the sloka class which was a compulsory sessin for all students in the evening on some days. When I was surprised how the veda mantras can be recited by people who have not had a bramhopadesam, she says that Sri Suktam is an exception and can be recited by women. I have not tried to verify this with any guru. She does not to try to recite any veda mantra other than SriSuktam nor she recites Sri Suktam regularly although she recites Soundaryalahari, Lalita Sahasranamam, Abhirami Antadi, Matruka Pushpamala,Arya Satakam, Muka Panchasati, etc. regularly. The writings on Thirumurai, Thevaram and Shankara works in this group by members like Subramaniam Ganesh,Sridhar and others show that there are more such equally powerful works in Sanskrit,Tamil and other Indian languages for us to learn to recite and understand their meanings and increase our devotion to the Lord and the Divine mother. My personal interpretation for why many women these days are trying to learn vedas is because the men in their household are not taking up the vedic study nor they bother about the Nithya anushtanam - atleast a trikala sandyavandanam which they are supposed to do. There are statements in the Vedas which say that any prayer done without doing the assigned nithya karmanushtanas is fruitless. This is not to hurt anyone in the group but only to increase the number of people to adhere to that practice so that there can be veda ghosham all over and the pradosha poojas at the temple have a full attendance of vedic pandits. Seetharaman , "M GOPINATH" <maa.gopinath@l...> wrote: > Have there been any cases of the Mother punishing the sadhaka becoz he/she > did not follow the rules? > Tradition is fine, but I presume it should be a tool to maintain and > increase the bhakthi ,shraddha and love to the Mother than increase fear if > not complied with. Many a would-have-been-sincere person has been pushed > away from rituals just becoz of insistance on so many rules in the name of > tradition, without explain the benefit of the sadhana(other than the > satisfaction that one is following a tradition) . > > She is the Mother. I believe strongly that Love to her is needed first to > pray to her, than fear of reprimand becoz of bending tradition. What you say > is like what happens in the Royal families- the son (Prince)asking the > mother permission to see the mother(Queen). > > LS says "Dhandanatha ". Doesn this mean punishing for loving her but not > necessarily following tradition. I have seen people constipated by tradition > with neither love for fellow beings nor understanding of why the tradition > says,leave alone seeing her in all creations. With neither of the above, > "following tradition" can be an excuse to ride the high pedastal and please > ones own ego. > > May Bala be with us to bless us. Probably show us to love her more. Someday > , all of us have to drop rituals as we get close to enjoying the Universe as > Her manifestation . > > Again, these are my personal views. With respect to all and their views > > Love > gopi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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