lalitaa sahasranAma: uttara piiThikaa - Some verses to consider (81 - 84)

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verse 81

 

iti te kathitam stotram rahasyam kumbhasambhava |

naa vidyaa vedino bruuyaat naa bhaktaaya kadaachana ||

 

Thus the stotram told to you, O agastya is a secret. It should not be

told at any time, to one who does not know Srividya and one is who is

not a bhakta.

 

Notes:

 

1. agastya is known as kumbha-sambhava or pot-born (see message 241)

/message/241

 

2. Material available in puraaNa is open to all. Then how to regard the

word "rahasyam" that is secret? Is is artha-vAda? That is

result-oriented-approach. When you say something is a secret, people

will take it seriously. Or it means, not to make it public more than

what it is. That is not to publish translations, release audio

cassettes, make it availabe easily to all. In the past, all these

things were learned only from a guru. Only when printing press (later

www) became common place thing, people started learning things on their

own.

 

 

3. What does "one who knows Srividya" mean? Does it mean one who is

initated to it or a mere sAmanya knowledge. trishati defines what it

considers as knowing Srividya, is it something like that. Safest

translation is one who is initiated to SriVidya and one who understands

it.

 

4. On whom is the restriction placed? On the teacher/guru. It is

his/her responsibility who he/she should allow to learn and chant. This

will become even more clear later.

[to be contd]

 

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--- "Ravisankar S. Mayavaram" <miinalochanii wrote:

> verse 81

>

> iti te kathitam stotram rahasyam kumbhasambhava |

> naa vidyaa vedino bruuyaat naa bhaktaaya kadaachana ||

 

There are few errors in the way above is written. Second line should

read as

 

naavidyaavedine bruuyannaabhaktaaya kadaachana ||

 

Since I am basing my translation what is given in ananthakrishna

shaastry's I do not want get into details. Simply because, I know very

little sanskrit and I will have to spend (typically) a lot of time on

this. Yet, my take on the second line is

 

vidyaa avedinaH na bruuyaat, abhaktaaya na bruuyaat.

 

Please do correct. Despite my intention of not getting into such

details, I ended up thinking about this for half an hour, early in the

morning.

 

 

> Thus the stotram told to you, O agastya is a secret. It should not be

> told at any time, to one who does not know Srividya and one is who is

> not a bhakta.

>

> Notes:

>

> 1. agastya is known as kumbha-sambhava or pot-born (see message 241)

> /message/241

>

> 2. Material available in puraaNa is open to all. Then how to regard

> the

> word "rahasyam" that is secret? Is is artha-vAda? That is

> result-oriented-approach. When you say something is a secret, people

> will take it seriously. Or it means, not to make it public more than

> what it is. That is not to publish translations, release audio

> cassettes, make it availabe easily to all. In the past, all these

> things were learned only from a guru. Only when printing press (later

> www) became common place thing, people started learning things on

> their

> own.

>

>

> 3. What does "one who knows Srividya" mean? Does it mean one who is

> initated to it or a mere sAmanya knowledge. trishati defines what it

> considers as knowing Srividya, is it something like that. Safest

> translation is one who is initiated to SriVidya and one who

> understands

> it.

>

> 4. On whom is the restriction placed? On the teacher/guru. It is

> his/her responsibility who he/she should allow to learn and chant.

> This

> will become even more clear later.

> [to be contd]

>

 

 

=====

ambaaL daasan

 

Ravi

 

sharaNAgata raxakI nivEyani sadA ninnu nammiti mInAxI

 

http://www.ambaa.org/ http://www.advaita-vedanta.org

 

 

 

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verse 82

 

yathaiva gopyaa shriividyaa tathaa gopyamidam mune |

pashutulyeshhu na bruuyaajjaneshhu stotramuttamam ||

 

O Sage, just as shriividya is kept as secret, this stotram should also

be kept secret. This sacred hymn should not be revealed to people whose

nature is beastly.

 

1) This idea of secrecy is repeated few times both in sahasranAma and

trishati. There may be many reasons. Consider a design of a weapon, you

would not want it to go in the hands of evil persons, who may misuse

it. An entity which could be used for benign purposes like nuclear

fission for generating electricity can be used by others without

discrimination to destroy countries. PuraNa tell us many incidents

where men with predominant animal and demonish tendencies, meditating

on mantra-s to obtain power and destroy the good people. This may be

one of the reason.

 

2) This injunction is widely and almost totally ignored. Sri Jayendra

Saraswati swamigal in his audio rendering mentions that anybody can

listen to it and only for chanting they should learn it from a guru

(also initiation is required). But if you look at puurva and uttara of

sahasranaama, this is not correct. Commenting on verse 11 of the

puurva, the commentantor touches upon different aspects of secrecy.

This is also mentioned in trishati puurva as well.

 

3) My question is, if you can ignore one injunction saying artha vaada,

why not ignore all? Also what is artha-vaada for somebody may be a

pretty legitimate rule for another (consider puurva miimaamska-s claim

that upanishads are artha vaada).

 

4) Also there is not much difference between listening or learning or

reciting. If you listen to MS Sheela's wonderful audio rendering 10

times, 11th time, when she says bhavaanii, your mind will fill in

bhaavana gamyaa, bhaavaraNya kuThaarikaa, .... It is so musical, you

will quickly memorize many portions of the text. Which will let you

contemplate on it when you are attending boring meetings. At one point,

I memorized most of sahasranaama by listening to MS Sheela again and

again.

 

 

[to be contd]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ambaaL daasan

 

Ravi

 

sharaNAgata raxakI nivEyani sadA ninnu nammiti mInAxI

 

http://www.ambaa.org/ http://www.advaita-vedanta.org

 

 

 

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verse 83

--------

 

yo dadaati vimuuDhaatma shriividyaarahitaaya cha |

tasmai kupyanti yoginyaH so.anartha sumahaansmRitaH ||

 

 

If a person (a foolish one) gives away this stotram to one who is not

initiated to shriividya, then yogini-s curse him and it is a great loss

to him.

 

1) This verse is a pretty strong statement than verse 81 and tells the

consquence.

 

2) Again the person being cursed here is the one who gives it and not

the one receives it.

 

3) Even for trishati (if I remember correctly), the curse is on the

teacher (who has the responsibility).

 

4) If someone starts this say from a book, instead of a teacher. I

guess, the problem is squarely on the saadhaka himself. May be whoever

published the book or www page should warn the reader of the

conquences. I have not seen this most of the published works.

 

5) There is a possibility that the teacher is strong enough to take the

consequences, or in a position greater than the yogini-s, then such a

curse would not be effective. Your best bet would be to find such a

person, if you are not keen on getting into shriividya.

 

Please note these are all my ignorant comments. You can simplete delete

it and say deletE svAha | deletE idam na mama || :-))

 

 

[contd]

 

 

=====

ambaaL daasan

 

Ravi

 

sharaNAgata raxakI nivEyani sadA ninnu nammiti mInAxI

 

http://www.ambaa.org/ http://www.advaita-vedanta.org

 

 

 

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verse 84

 

rahasyanAmasahasram tasmaadsa.ngopayedidam |

svatantreNa mayaanoktam tavaapi kalashiisuta |

 

Hence, this secret 1000 names should be kept concealed. O pot-born

sage, even to you I did not reveal it on my own accord.

 

--

1) Here hayagriiva says that he revealed not on his own, but under the

command of ambaaL.

 

2) If sahasranAma is level I secret, trishati is level II. The

restrictions on trishatii are even stronger. This will be clear from

trishatii puurva piiThikaa. Refer to verse 11 of trishatii puurva

piiThika (entire puurva is there on ambaa.org and this verse 11, I did

not translate it accurately -- since the sanskrit text is there you can

read it for yourself). Which in essence says that "as carefully one

guards the illicit affair of one's mother from others knowing it, vidya

(knowledgde or mantra) should be guarded, thus says the agama-s. One

has to guard sarvapuurtikarii stuti (trishati) even more carefully.

What is guarded is not the relation between ambaaL and bhakta. But the

text itself. I had big trouble translationg "svamAtr jaaravatgopyaa" -

later I was told this is what it means.

 

svamAtR^i jaaravat.h gopyaa vidyaa eshhaH iti agamaa jaguH |

tato ati gopaniyaa me sarva-puurtikarii stutiH || 11 ||

 

http://www.ambaa.org/trishati/trishati3.htm

 

 

3) Secrecy is now only an academic discussion, as the texts are known

quite publicly and to all. Everything is indeed ambaaL's will. SHE

herself says that agastya should know (to hayagriiva) and the world

will benefit from him.

 

4) As regard to trishatii -- verses in its uttara are similar in

content and words. trishatii is closely tied to panchadashaxari than

sahasranaama. The term "vidya" in its verse, should be taken as

shriividya only and not just knowledge (based on context and sequence).

Lalita sahasranAma, clearly spells it out as shriividya (verse 83).

 

I will conclude it in the next post. I am no authority on these

matters, each person should do what his/her guru says. My intention

here is to share whatever little I know. I clearly understand that I

may be wrong.

 

 

 

 

=====

ambaaL daasan

 

Ravi

 

sharaNAgata raxakI nivEyani sadA ninnu nammiti mInAxI

 

http://www.ambaa.org/ http://www.advaita-vedanta.org

 

 

 

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Dear one,

Thankyou very much for highlighting this very important point.

hence is this called Rahasya nama sahasranama and is not a mere

stotra but a mantra. Just as a mantra can bear fruit only when

received from a true Guru. Same holds for this gem of a hymn. My

Gurunatha, the great Chinanandanatha Sri Subramanya Iyer also had a

similar view. Thank you again!

 

 

 

 

wrote:

>

> verse 83

> --------

>

> yo dadaati vimuuDhaatma shriividyaarahitaaya cha |

> tasmai kupyanti yoginyaH so.anartha sumahaansmRitaH ||

>

>

> If a person (a foolish one) gives away this stotram to one who is

not

> initiated to shriividya, then yogini-s curse him and it is a great

loss

> to him.

>

> 1) This verse is a pretty strong statement than verse 81 and tells

the

> consquence.

>

> 2) Again the person being cursed here is the one who gives it and

not

> the one receives it.

>

> 3) Even for trishati (if I remember correctly), the curse is on the

> teacher (who has the responsibility).

>

> 4) If someone starts this say from a book, instead of a teacher. I

> guess, the problem is squarely on the saadhaka himself. May be

whoever

> published the book or www page should warn the reader of the

> conquences. I have not seen this most of the published works.

>

> 5) There is a possibility that the teacher is strong enough to take

the

> consequences, or in a position greater than the yogini-s, then such

a

> curse would not be effective. Your best bet would be to find such a

> person, if you are not keen on getting into shriividya.

>

> Please note these are all my ignorant comments. You can simplete

delete

> it and say deletE svAha | deletE idam na mama || :-))

>

>

> [contd]

>

>

> =====

> ambaaL daasan

>

> Ravi

>

> sharaNAgata raxakI nivEyani sadA ninnu nammiti mInAxI

>

> http://www.ambaa.org/ http://www.advaita-vedanta.org

>

>

>

> Health - your guide to health and wellness

> http://health.

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, "harshanand_16" <harshanand_16> wrote:

> Dear one,

> Thankyou very much for highlighting this very important point.

> hence is this called Rahasya nama sahasranama and is not a mere

> stotra but a mantra. Just as a mantra can bear fruit only when

> received from a true Guru. Same holds for this gem of a hymn. My

> Gurunatha, the great Chinanandanatha Sri Subramanya Iyer also had a

> similar view. Thank you again!

 

 

Is he from NangganallUr?

He was the founder of Guhanandha MaNdali and has published many

books. He was also a natural Asu Kavi. He has researched rare texts

like ParasuRama Kalpa SUtram.

 

There was another Subramanya Aiyer who was known as 'AnnA'. He has

written many commentaries through the Ramakrishna Mutt. Lalitha

Shasranamam, Devi Mahatmyam, and numerous others.

 

Which one of them are you refering to?

 

Regards

 

JayBee

 

>

>

>

>

> wrote:

> >

> > verse 83

> > --------

> >

> > yo dadaati vimuuDhaatma shriividyaarahitaaya cha |

> > tasmai kupyanti yoginyaH so.anartha sumahaansmRitaH ||

> >

> >

> > If a person (a foolish one) gives away this stotram to one who is

> not

> > initiated to shriividya, then yogini-s curse him and it is a

great

> loss

> > to him.

> >

> > 1) This verse is a pretty strong statement than verse 81 and

tells

> the

> > consquence.

> >

> > 2) Again the person being cursed here is the one who gives it and

> not

> > the one receives it.

> >

> > 3) Even for trishati (if I remember correctly), the curse is on

the

> > teacher (who has the responsibility).

> >

> > 4) If someone starts this say from a book, instead of a teacher.

I

> > guess, the problem is squarely on the saadhaka himself. May be

> whoever

> > published the book or www page should warn the reader of the

> > conquences. I have not seen this most of the published works.

> >

> > 5) There is a possibility that the teacher is strong enough to

take

> the

> > consequences, or in a position greater than the yogini-s, then

such

> a

> > curse would not be effective. Your best bet would be to find such

a

> > person, if you are not keen on getting into shriividya.

> >

> > Please note these are all my ignorant comments. You can simplete

> delete

> > it and say deletE svAha | deletE idam na mama || :-))

> >

> >

> > [contd]

> >

> >

> > =====

> > ambaaL daasan

> >

> > Ravi

> >

> > sharaNAgata raxakI nivEyani sadA ninnu nammiti mInAxI

> >

> > http://www.ambaa.org/ http://www.advaita-vedanta.org

> >

> >

> >

> > Health - your guide to health and wellness

> > http://health.