Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Is it bad to think that only Lord Shiva is the greatest and no other God or Goddess can equal him for he alone is the ultimate God.? IF so why?.... The Sold.com.au Big Brand Sale- New PCs, notebooks, digital cameras, phones and more ... Sale ends June 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Dear Shri Kalika Putra, I asked your question to myself, and my thoughts went like this. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. With whatever name you call it, that is THE ULTIMATE(?) God. ? is there because - it is 'Anupama' - non comparable/both 'Samana' and 'Adhika' varjita. There is nothing else besides that.So there are NO other/ NO non- ultimate Gods. When you can't compare this LORD GOD with any other thing/being; You can say it is the ONLY existing / ONE and ONLY GOD / THE GOD /Everything is in it etc etc. By this time, you should be knowing the direction that I am following. I take leave now. OM Namah ShriMathre ShriMathre Namah OM Prasada Reddy. , Kalika Putra <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > Is it bad to think that only Lord Shiva is the greatest and no other God or Goddess can equal him for he alone is the ultimate God.? > > IF so why?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Dear devotees, This conclusion by Shri Kalika putra raising lot of questions. How far it is necessary to 'tie' a name to that one Great God?? e.g. as Shiva by you, as Holy Mother by me, and something else by somebody else. And depending on the name that we tie,Are the qualities of that God change just like that? Can one make the ONLY existing as ultimate,not so-so,comparing with nothing but a part of it by the side of it, comparing a whole with parts, giving all different names to whole/parts with in that single existence; after all by a tiny part in itself (you/me). where can one find you/me in this Universe - consisting millions and millions of galaxies. I do not know anything except that ONE existing. I even do not know all about that ONLY existing. I am only trying to understand that ever-existing because I see my existence must has to be atleast a part of THAT existing. There are no numerous 'ishta' daivas. ONLY ONE ishta daiva or the daiva, seen with innumerable names and forms including nameless and formless. Om KalyAyai namaha. Om SarvAbharaNa Bhooshita yai namaha. Om ShriMathre Namaha. Prasada Reddy. , Kalika Putra <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > I personally think that everyone regards their ishta as the ultimate since they are just different personalities of that one great God. Like white light consists of many other colours so God or shiva would be the make up of all of them. > > My ishta is Shiva and mulitple texts that I know of praise him as the Ultimate God and I think of him in that way. at the end I guess it would be opinionated rather then factual to deem a diety as the Ultimate. Since Shiv just is a collection of all the dieties a being who has all of those qualties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Dear Sri Krishnamoorthy varya, As we all see, any given name of God itself tells about some qualities. And won't tell about all other remaining qualities, on outset. Other way, each name tells us about only certain aspects of the God. we can take all 1000 examples(names) from Lailta sahasranama bhasya to visualize, what I might be thinking of. About this 'changing of qualities' - I am refering to will God be 'limited' to just those qualities put forth by the name that we use to call? Like somebody calls God as 'Shiva' and sees shiva aspect first and theory tells - bhakta goes beyond Shiva(makes Shiva as that Only God), and finds that he/she is referring to that only God.So when we eventually seeking the Lord God; Is there a real cause of worry in this question - "I am considering Lord God as Shiva, and thinking Shiva as the ultimate.- Is this right?". I say, whichever name we take, We always pary the only existing God.Right now,I pray with Shiva name.There is no other God/nothing else is eligible to receive prayers,as there is nothing besides it.AND this god as a whole, Gurus say nirguna& nirakara.It is hard to contemplate on that God as nirguna - right now for me.So I 'START' to visualize that God as 'Shiva'/'Lalitha'/'Vishnu'/some other name our grama devata/kula devatha has.By this moment onwards, I am in the path of reaching that Nirguna brahma.This is how my thought process goes for the question that I asked. Om Shrimathre namaha. Prasada Reddy. , vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy> wrote: > >And depending on the name that we tie,Are the > qualities of that God > change just like that? > > What qualities? > > > > - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 A nice question actually. There is absolutely nothing wrong in that provided the concept of Lord shiva's divinity is well understood. Though there are multiple divines that get worshipped in Hindu life, it is the truth of vedas that there is one and only one Supreme God. (ekam sat viprA bahuta vadanti, sa eSha eka ekavR^deka eva, na dvitIyo na tr^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda, sarve asmin devA ekavR^ito bhavanti.) As per the atharva veda hymn cited above, there is no second in command, third in command... not even tenth in command and It is the only one Supreme. Now let us look at the concept of Lord shiva. shiva stands for Perfection. That Perfect Being, shiva, has the following eight great qualities. 1. Limitless Grace 2. Limitless potence 3. Without any peer or superior 4. Natural sensed 5. Omniscient 6. Always pure 7. By nature bondless 8. Limitlessly blissful The Lord Who has these eight qualities is our Lord shiva. It is the Auspicious One, Which is eternal with nobody to accompany except Its own power. It is the One Which dances blissfully wearing skulls and besmeared in ashes still being called shiva - the auspicious, as It does not have the need to derive Its bliss/auspiciousness from anything external, but It Itself is the source of the bliss. So it iss the Supreme that appears as shiva. There was a question, by giving the supreme name and form isn't there a contour of limitation. In the path of shaivism after parashiva which is formless, the esteemed worship certainly is the shivalinga worship - the symbol of God. There is no form associated here- no male/female, no colors, no resemblance of living being to compare to the character of that being...... The devotee realizes that It is just the symbol that refers to the parashiva. (This is called sadAshiva mUrtam. The mahEshvara mUrtams where God appears in various forms become third in that order, as the forms that exhibited either benevolent Grace or stern/disciplinarion Grace.) Hence there is nothing wrong in stating the Lord shiva is Supreme, but due care must be taken to not to malign any of the associated devines as this could turn out to be maligning the powers of the same Lord ! In fact the paths of Hinduism are quite mature ones. Reaching the destination is not for the ones who wastes time in cribbing about the other paths but it is for one who moves forward after making sure the path being taken up is the right one. "mahAdevam ekam smarAmi smarArim" namaH shivAya , Kalika Putra <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > Is it bad to think that only Lord Shiva is the greatest and no other God or Goddess can equal him for he alone is the ultimate God.? > > IF so why?.... > > > > > The Sold.com.au Big Brand Sale- New PCs, notebooks, digital cameras, phones and more ... Sale ends June 12 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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