Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear Sir, For the love of the goddess I dont want to share alot about the school of Kaula there are many routes in this like I said the divya, vira and pasu. The divya is a person (usually twice born) who worships the goddess rather in a satvic way. kaula is a broad minded school that imbrases everything it states that there is no difference in dharma and adharma. Self or the cosmos. To the the higher levels of this sect one imbrases and realises the supreme divinity as the mother Kali and generally does acts like offer of bali and so on to not only convey symbolic relevance to themselves but also realise the significance. For the divya alcohol and animal sacrifice is forbidden since divya wants the supreme enlightenment. Alcohol symbolises the dillusion and bali the beastiality. Even before these offerings are made one must b e above kama, krodha, lobha and moha. One must never lead into that what is sin. Even though dharma and adharma are looked at the same way that is one of the highest levels until then we must resort to logic and conciousness. Instead of these offerings the divya offers vinegar or water with chandan and lime. The veera calls on the goddess for power, siddhis and worldly perfection for this they can offer animal sacrifice and alcohol and the prise of being reborn. They still must be 100% resistant to sin since before they can do one of the last and most contravertial acts the carnal consemation at the cremation ground. This has nothing to do with lust. It simulates the creation of the cosmos, the union of shiva and shakthi. The pasu is a being who is not that resistant to sin and cannot do any of these acts but can do japa and meditation this person does attain siddhi shaktis and can use them to his/her will except to cause harm. I had heard of a man he had envoked mother kali in the kaula way by envoking five skulls something known as the kapala siddhi. For each skull he got a wish and asked for different sorts of powers. One was to hypnotise and another to be alluded from sight. he used it to cheat people from their money and later was punished by his guru who took all his powers and hynotised him to act like a dog. In places like assam this thing is still prevelant since that is a captal of kaulic voodoo as it is called. This school can be used for bad but at the prise of an eternity in hell. You get the best of both worlds in this school the power to kill and control as well as be close to the mother but one wrong move or even thought at the extreme level and your gone. I myself am still studying this path but without a guru if you do any tantric rituals or japa of the mantra they would either be of no use of cause harm. Be warned you need a master of this school not just any tom, dick or harry can be your guru. This is very hard. The kaula school literally takes the fruit of being a vaishnava and shaiva that is ultimate liberation with the aghori siddhanta. I know I am against animal sacrifice, in this case teh mother accepts whatever you offer her and rewards you for your love but you still will be in the bondage if you kill no matter what that is why divya is the best way to go. As a veera you get nifty powers and all and these people mostly do occupy assam and places isolated by modern society but they still dont misuse their siddhi unless called for. The devi rahasyam should be read if you want to know more and the kaula upanishad. Lord shiva is against the carnal consemation and animal sacrifice and has said man has to be beyind sin to do this ofcourse this is very hard and people who do this tend to be eradicated, if not exercise their powers and day to day thoughts and activities with caution. Mother kali is very forgiving but lord shiva turns a sturn eye on kaulas who go "bad". Otherwise a very good school to be in if you want to play with nifty siddhi shakthis and also gain enlightenment. As a veera you can also have another upper for certain people that would be to participate in lustful activities without being penelised for it except in the cremation ground although that act is in many tantras people who do it have to be beyond the pasu and the pasa or else. It also depends on what tantra you follow some of the stuff I have told you well some tantras contradict that. There are more then 48 tantric traditions that make up the kaula so obviously you'd have to be specific. Todala tantra and the kaulanirvana tantra are some of the most popular but the overall most popular is tantra of the devi rahaysam. The practical side of kaula is basically worship is divided into five things and hence is called the panchangam or five limbs. THE PATALA this is the instruction manual so to speak of the tantra and in detail describes what is done as in the rituals and the type of guru needed. THE PADDHATI similar to the patala is a set of mantras depends on the tantra can change the whole format so you'd have to be looking at a particular tantra KAVACHAM again this is where you people who recite the chandi kavacham without a guru would have to learn something. You see the mother does protect but to get the full power there has to be a prana prathista of the mantra into your body. This mantra envokes to diety as to shield you from certain things and give thier unique blessing (like mother saraswati gives great knowledge and wisdom). SAHASRANAMA lists major attributes of the diety 1000 of them. Stotram a mantra that praises the diety are the foremost. There you go without the five no matter if you are a shakta, vaisnava or aghora without these five, guru, diety's blessing you wont get squat. YOu need a guru not to teach you only, the main reason for a guru is because that person would have awakened the siddhi and the PRANA of the tantram. words like hrim and dum they are jibberish unless a guru envokes their power in you. That is the main reason in the kaula sect that a guru who knows his/her stuff be found. Yes most of you shaktas are going to argue that even without a guru hrim is powerful. But is it? is it really?....mantras are like empty vessels like your body, you wouldnt be functioning without prana that same is with yantras and mantras sure zap a body with electiricity and it moves thats what happens your bhakthi is that zap. BUT it wont function as well without a guru and can harm you. Hope that clears things out for you dear sir, Some of you might contradict what I wrote but like I said just depends on the tradition and tantra was to the way u see kaulic tradition. The Guru thing however is applicable to all. SOLD.com.au- Find yourself a bargain! 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Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 - "Kalika Putra" <dakinic_monk <> Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:02 AM Re: Re: WHY SRI VIDYA? > > Dear Sir, > > For the love of the goddess I dont want to share alot about the school of Kaula there are many routes in this like I said the divya, vira and pasu. > > The divya is a person (usually twice born) who worships the goddess rather in a satvic way. kaula is a broad minded school that imbrases everything it states that there is no difference in dharma and adharma. Self or the cosmos. To the the higher levels of this sect one imbrases and realises the supreme divinity as the mother Kali and generally does acts like offer of bali and so on to not only convey symbolic relevance to themselves but also realise the significance. > > For the divya alcohol and animal sacrifice is forbidden since divya wants the supreme enlightenment. Alcohol symbolises the dillusion and bali the beastiality. Even before these offerings are made one must b e above kama, krodha, lobha and moha. One must never lead into that what is sin. Even though dharma and adharma are looked at the same way that is one of the highest levels until then we must resort to logic and conciousness. > > Instead of these offerings the divya offers vinegar or water with chandan and lime. > > > > The veera calls on the goddess for power, siddhis and worldly perfection for this they can offer animal sacrifice and alcohol and the prise of being reborn. They still must be 100% resistant to sin since before they can do one of the last and most contravertial acts the carnal consemation at the cremation ground. This has nothing to do with lust. It simulates the creation of the cosmos, the union of shiva and shakthi. > > > > The pasu is a being who is not that resistant to sin and cannot do any of these acts but can do japa and meditation this person does attain siddhi shaktis and can use them to his/her will except to cause harm. > > I had heard of a man he had envoked mother kali in the kaula way by envoking five skulls something known as the kapala siddhi. For each skull he got a wish and asked for different sorts of powers. One was to hypnotise and another to be alluded from sight. he used it to cheat people from their money and later was punished by his guru who took all his powers and hynotised him to act like a dog. > > In places like assam this thing is still prevelant since that is a captal of kaulic voodoo as it is called. This school can be used for bad but at the prise of an eternity in hell. > > You get the best of both worlds in this school the power to kill and control as well as be close to the mother but one wrong move or even thought at the extreme level and your gone. > > I myself am still studying this path but without a guru if you do any tantric rituals or japa of the mantra they would either be of no use of cause harm. Be warned you need a master of this school not just any tom, dick or harry can be your guru. This is very hard. > > The kaula school literally takes the fruit of being a vaishnava and shaiva that is ultimate liberation with the aghori siddhanta. I know I am against animal sacrifice, in this case teh mother accepts whatever you offer her and rewards you for your love but you still will be in the bondage if you kill no matter what that is why divya is the best way to go. > > As a veera you get nifty powers and all and these people mostly do occupy assam and places isolated by modern society but they still dont misuse their siddhi unless called for. > > The devi rahasyam should be read if you want to know more and the kaula upanishad. Lord shiva is against the carnal consemation and animal sacrifice and has said man has to be beyind sin to do this ofcourse this is very hard and people who do this tend to be eradicated, if not exercise their powers and day to day thoughts and activities with caution. > > Mother kali is very forgiving but lord shiva turns a sturn eye on kaulas who go "bad". Otherwise a very good school to be in if you want to play with nifty siddhi shakthis and also gain enlightenment. As a veera you can also have another upper for certain people that would be to participate in lustful activities without being penelised for it except in the cremation ground although that act is in many tantras people who do it have to be beyond the pasu and the pasa or else. > > It also depends on what tantra you follow some of the stuff I have told you well some tantras contradict that. There are more then 48 tantric traditions that make up the kaula so obviously you'd have to be specific. Todala tantra and the kaulanirvana tantra are some of the most popular but the overall most popular is tantra of the devi rahaysam. > > The practical side of kaula is basically worship is divided into five things and hence is called the panchangam or five limbs. > > > > THE PATALA this is the instruction manual so to speak of the tantra and in detail describes what is done as in the rituals and the type of guru needed. > > THE PADDHATI similar to the patala is a set of mantras depends on the tantra can change the whole format so you'd have to be looking at a particular tantra > > KAVACHAM again this is where you people who recite the chandi kavacham without a guru would have to learn something. You see the mother does protect but to get the full power there has to be a prana prathista of the mantra into your body. This mantra envokes to diety as to shield you from certain things and give thier unique blessing (like mother saraswati gives great knowledge and wisdom). > > SAHASRANAMA lists major attributes of the diety 1000 of them. > > Stotram a mantra that praises the diety are the foremost. > > There you go without the five no matter if you are a shakta, vaisnava or aghora without these five, guru, diety's blessing you wont get squat. > > YOu need a guru not to teach you only, the main reason for a guru is because that person would have awakened the siddhi and the PRANA of the tantram. > > words like hrim and dum they are jibberish unless a guru envokes their power in you. That is the main reason in the kaula sect that a guru who knows his/her stuff be found. Yes most of you shaktas are going to argue that even without a guru hrim is powerful. > > But is it? is it really?....mantras are like empty vessels like your body, you wouldnt be functioning without prana that same is with yantras and mantras sure zap a body with electiricity and it moves thats what happens your bhakthi is that zap. BUT it wont function as well without a guru and can harm you. > > Hope that clears things out for you dear sir, > > Some of you might contradict what I wrote but like I said just depends on the tradition and tantra was to the way u see kaulic tradition. The Guru thing however is applicable to all. > > > > > > > SOLD.com.au- Find yourself a bargain! > > > > > > > AUM shrImAtre namaH > AUM namaH shivAya > AUM namaH shivAbhyAm > > Archives : http://www.ambaa.org/ (Edited) > : /messages// > > Contact : help > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 what gives you a right to claim to be a kaula (which by the way is the objective form of the nominal form kula ex. viSnu is followed by vaisnavas) The Kula (lit. family) is a small group of tantric sects that find their intellectual high point with the writings of Abhinavagupta. Speaking rather strictly, kali is generally not a central focus of the kulas practices, but more importantly for this discussion, the kula has disintegrated. there is little if any evidence of "kula" practices later than the 13th century. generally speaking, it is accepted that the kula had failed within 1 generation of the direct deciples of Abhinava. Generally, there have only been a few texts which claim to be "kula" texts, the short list includes the malinivijayayotra which contains the charictaristic tattvajaya practice, this and the others claiming "kula" lineage have generally been intellectual texts with little if any evidence of actual practicioners. The only remaining tradition that contains any strong resemblence to the "kula" is the srividya as it is the only tradition that can claim to still use the texts of Abhinava. The paramArthasara of Abhinava bears a strong resemblence to the sri cakra puja and follows the same form. I would like to know who is your guru? what is his lineage, and how far can it be traced? curious... - "Kalika Putra" <dakinic_monk <> Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:02 AM Re: Re: WHY SRI VIDYA? > > Dear Sir, > > For the love of the goddess I dont want to share alot about the school of Kaula there are many routes in this like I said the divya, vira and pasu. > > The divya is a person (usually twice born) who worships the goddess rather in a satvic way. kaula is a broad minded school that imbrases everything it states that there is no difference in dharma and adharma. Self or the cosmos. To the the higher levels of this sect one imbrases and realises the supreme divinity as the mother Kali and generally does acts like offer of bali and so on to not only convey symbolic relevance to themselves but also realise the significance. > > For the divya alcohol and animal sacrifice is forbidden since divya wants the supreme enlightenment. Alcohol symbolises the dillusion and bali the beastiality. Even before these offerings are made one must b e above kama, krodha, lobha and moha. One must never lead into that what is sin. Even though dharma and adharma are looked at the same way that is one of the highest levels until then we must resort to logic and conciousness. > > Instead of these offerings the divya offers vinegar or water with chandan and lime. > > > > The veera calls on the goddess for power, siddhis and worldly perfection for this they can offer animal sacrifice and alcohol and the prise of being reborn. They still must be 100% resistant to sin since before they can do one of the last and most contravertial acts the carnal consemation at the cremation ground. This has nothing to do with lust. It simulates the creation of the cosmos, the union of shiva and shakthi. > > > > The pasu is a being who is not that resistant to sin and cannot do any of these acts but can do japa and meditation this person does attain siddhi shaktis and can use them to his/her will except to cause harm. > > I had heard of a man he had envoked mother kali in the kaula way by envoking five skulls something known as the kapala siddhi. For each skull he got a wish and asked for different sorts of powers. One was to hypnotise and another to be alluded from sight. he used it to cheat people from their money and later was punished by his guru who took all his powers and hynotised him to act like a dog. > > In places like assam this thing is still prevelant since that is a captal of kaulic voodoo as it is called. This school can be used for bad but at the prise of an eternity in hell. > > You get the best of both worlds in this school the power to kill and control as well as be close to the mother but one wrong move or even thought at the extreme level and your gone. > > I myself am still studying this path but without a guru if you do any tantric rituals or japa of the mantra they would either be of no use of cause harm. Be warned you need a master of this school not just any tom, dick or harry can be your guru. This is very hard. > > The kaula school literally takes the fruit of being a vaishnava and shaiva that is ultimate liberation with the aghori siddhanta. I know I am against animal sacrifice, in this case teh mother accepts whatever you offer her and rewards you for your love but you still will be in the bondage if you kill no matter what that is why divya is the best way to go. > > As a veera you get nifty powers and all and these people mostly do occupy assam and places isolated by modern society but they still dont misuse their siddhi unless called for. > > The devi rahasyam should be read if you want to know more and the kaula upanishad. Lord shiva is against the carnal consemation and animal sacrifice and has said man has to be beyind sin to do this ofcourse this is very hard and people who do this tend to be eradicated, if not exercise their powers and day to day thoughts and activities with caution. > > Mother kali is very forgiving but lord shiva turns a sturn eye on kaulas who go "bad". Otherwise a very good school to be in if you want to play with nifty siddhi shakthis and also gain enlightenment. As a veera you can also have another upper for certain people that would be to participate in lustful activities without being penelised for it except in the cremation ground although that act is in many tantras people who do it have to be beyond the pasu and the pasa or else. > > It also depends on what tantra you follow some of the stuff I have told you well some tantras contradict that. There are more then 48 tantric traditions that make up the kaula so obviously you'd have to be specific. Todala tantra and the kaulanirvana tantra are some of the most popular but the overall most popular is tantra of the devi rahaysam. > > The practical side of kaula is basically worship is divided into five things and hence is called the panchangam or five limbs. > > > > THE PATALA this is the instruction manual so to speak of the tantra and in detail describes what is done as in the rituals and the type of guru needed. > > THE PADDHATI similar to the patala is a set of mantras depends on the tantra can change the whole format so you'd have to be looking at a particular tantra > > KAVACHAM again this is where you people who recite the chandi kavacham without a guru would have to learn something. You see the mother does protect but to get the full power there has to be a prana prathista of the mantra into your body. This mantra envokes to diety as to shield you from certain things and give thier unique blessing (like mother saraswati gives great knowledge and wisdom). > > SAHASRANAMA lists major attributes of the diety 1000 of them. > > Stotram a mantra that praises the diety are the foremost. > > There you go without the five no matter if you are a shakta, vaisnava or aghora without these five, guru, diety's blessing you wont get squat. > > YOu need a guru not to teach you only, the main reason for a guru is because that person would have awakened the siddhi and the PRANA of the tantram. > > words like hrim and dum they are jibberish unless a guru envokes their power in you. That is the main reason in the kaula sect that a guru who knows his/her stuff be found. Yes most of you shaktas are going to argue that even without a guru hrim is powerful. > > But is it? is it really?....mantras are like empty vessels like your body, you wouldnt be functioning without prana that same is with yantras and mantras sure zap a body with electiricity and it moves thats what happens your bhakthi is that zap. BUT it wont function as well without a guru and can harm you. > > Hope that clears things out for you dear sir, > > Some of you might contradict what I wrote but like I said just depends on the tradition and tantra was to the way u see kaulic tradition. The Guru thing however is applicable to all. > > > > > > > SOLD.com.au- Find yourself a bargain! > > > > > > > AUM shrImAtre namaH > AUM namaH shivAya > AUM namaH shivAbhyAm > > Archives : http://www.ambaa.org/ (Edited) > : /messages// > > Contact : help > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 Dear Sir, I am deeply offended by your reply and if I were to reply back my true thoughts I am afraid they would be motivated by anger and ego. We both have conflicting views; this kulachara you mention I think it is different to Kaula School I follow. Since in kaula the goddess kali is the ethos of the sect like Shiva is to shaivism. I feel that Kula is most likely different to kaula since the authorities of kaula siddhanta is Bhairava, Shiva and the almighty goddess. If I mention my guru that would be an egoistical act and in such a context I will not use the name of my master. Abhinava is neither an important part nor his teaching as to kaula and how I have been taught it. Basically kaula has nothing to do with intellect and comprises of thousands of Tantras many forgotten. I believe you've got the wrong sect or school since kula has hardly anything to do with the Kaula School I belong to for there is no bias in it. There are three categories and this is up to the saddhak to choose; none is superior to the other they have different effects and practises. No one but the deities of the kaula can be regarded an authority not even the archaryas, only your guru and the deities. Kaula is based on self-perception since it is a journey of the self-reaching different levels of consciousness. I don’t want to say anymore for I detect anger and ego in this reply. I would only advise you to try the Dakini siddhanta and have a séance with the Dakini for she is one of the protectors of the kaula. When an Aghori or kaula starts they invoke a deity to have a séance like meeting with I would strongly recommend you call the mother Dakini for she is the easiest to call upon. Ask your guru to tell you the method of invocation for the Dakini comprises of the dark aspect of the goddess much so the maha pisachini and the utistachandalini personified as the divine. I believe that we have both different knowledge and understanding of what inevitably is the same thing. I worship the goddess kali and lord Shiva none other, my lineage will only bring confusion and induce ego inside of me so I will keep that information to myself until it is further necessary. I believe you would be well acquainted with the saying "curiosity killed the cat". I rather not mention any more as to my approach since it may conflict with what your guru has taught you and that in my eyes is sin. Please if you are truly curious then read the kakaradi kali sahashranama stotram and the maha kali siddhanta paddhati to which the composer or seer is lord Shiva, mind you if you attain a copy and it states the seer is Aghora rishi then that is different to the text I follow. Regards and Love, Monk. SOLD.com.au- Find yourself a bargain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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