Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Thank you Ravi Thanks for this answer. I was actually thinking of the fact that great saints like Sarada Devi and Ammachi gave mantras to all- women , men etc .. but i guess in those cases the Guru takes the responsibility for the disciple- i guess until and unless the Guru sanctions a particular path for a disciple or waives a rule in case for a particular disciple, it is obviously best to follow tradition. though we have to discriminate as to what the vedas REALLY DID say and what has come down owing to superstition/misinterpretation etc. bala >MSR <miinalochanii > >shriimaataa <> > Fwd: Re: Durga Suktam >Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:57:48 -0800 (PST) > >--- Harsha Ramamurthy <harsha.ramamurthy wrote: > > Re: Durga Suktam > > Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:02:13 +0530 > > "Harsha Ramamurthy" <harsha.ramamurthy > > <miinalochanii > > > > Dearest Ravi, > > > > A gentleman/lady forwarded a post of yours about Durga sukta and > > asked my opinion about it. I decided that i should write to you > > directly rather than reahing you through that gentleman/lady. I > > really wanted to say something about this topic which has already > > been elaborately discussed in some other e-group > > > > Some time ago, a friend of mine, who happens to be a worshipper of > > Shanmukha, asked me the same thing. I told her, "If you want to > > follow the Shastras, follow everything they say. Why would you want > > to recite something from the Shastra itself, when you are not showing > > it enough respect by going against the Shastra". She was still not > > satisfied and wanted to chant Durgasukta, without even the knowledge > > of Swaras. I had the good fortune of speaking to H.H. Sri Sri Bharati > > Tirtha Mahasannidhanam of Sringeri Sarada Peetham regarding this. He > > said, "There is no doubt that the Shastras clearly sanction the > > authority of chanting the Vedas only to men of Trivarna. It has now > > been scientifically proved that a pregnant lady chanting Gayatri > > mantra affects her foetus. The ancients have laid down these > > sanctions not to demean women or something. It is just that some > > vibrations do not suit them. Even men who chant any of these suktas > > without the proper knowledge of Vedic Swaras end up with subtle > > complications for sure. But note carefully that they have not > > forgotten the fourth Varna and women or their spiritual development. > > There is Yoga, Agamas and Tantras for their overall development. They > > can simply benefit by chanting Lalita Sahasranama Maha mantra or > > Acharyapada's Saundaryalahari or Bhajagovindam. Also, special > > consideration has been given to women by saying that the Punya Phala > > of their husband's and son's good deeds also reach them. This proves > > the special status that the ancients had given to women. Also, in > > the same way that you cannot chant a mantra without receiving it duly > > from a Sadguru through Diksha (he turned to me, smiled and said - You > > must know this and agree with me.....your Guru always said this > > right!) without Upanayana and Gayatri, one is not permitted to > > commence Vedadhyayana. In the Vedic system, the roles for each and > > every Grihastha, Grihini, Sanyasi, Brahmachari etc. are well-defined > > and fixed. When this is followed with proper understanding, most of > > the modern-day crisis will come to an end! It has ben our custom that > > when we give upadesham of Shiva Panchakshari, we have been clearly > > instructed by Sri Acharya padaH to exclude Pranava for women. But, > > there are many great Upasakas of Srividya who chant Mahashodashi. And > > you know it has a Pranava. But a person eligible to receive > > Mahashodashi cannot be considered to be the same as a simple, devout > > lady. Only Guru has the capability and authority to decide this. When > > people speak of Gargi and others, what is to be noted is that they > > were Brahma Jnanis. This is also the reason why some shastras > > prescribe Tritari in Srichakra Varivasya contrary to Chaturtari that > > we follow at the Matham. It is because they address even the fourth > > varna and women. > > It would not be correct to approximate every person as being equal to > > great saints and Rishis. Did your guru Shankara Shastrigal ever give > > Pranava with any other mantra to any lady other than Mahashodashi (i > > said "i dont think so"). I know that he didnt. Revelation of the > > Vedas by the supreme directly is something totally different than > > learning and trying to understand them from Bhautika Indriyas. Until > > you are limited to the latter case, stick to all the rules prescribed > > by the Vedas. A fellow Shankaracharya Swamigal was assaulted by many > > for having simply said this. Please understand the deep significance > > behind every rule prescribed by the Shastra." This is the essence of > > the diine words of Sri Mahasannidhanam. GuruH sarvakaranabhootaa > > shaktiH ! People who accept and believe in the divinity of the > > shankaracharya tradition will surely be satisfied with this reply i > > suppose. Why simply lament on something we are asked not to do...when > > we are hardly doing what we are allowed to and supposed to! I hope > > not much discussion follows on this topic! Sridevi's dhyana and Nama > > sankritana should any day be more productive than discussion on these > > topics. I thank you very much for your patient reading. > > > > Jaya jaya shankara! 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