Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 In reply to your quiries what comes to my mind is posted below : The gayathri Mahamanthra is given generally by the Father or by a very close relative , when the father is dead or when the upanayana is done for two children simultaneously. The son before getting initiated to the gayathri manthra , does certain rituals like washing the feet and other puja to treat his father as his Guru and receives the initiation. So it is not correct to say that the pandit gives the manthra, though the pandit is present at the time of initiation along with the mother and at the precise moment all the four (father,mother,pandit and the son) are covered by a silk Dhoti or cloth -- symbolic for the secrecy when many friends and relatives attend the fuction. The gayathri is called the Mahamanthra and truly speaking there is no need for any other manthra or upasana if gayathri upasana is done with devotion. But it may happen because of a person's past vaasanas , he may like some other form of upasana in addition to gaythri and then there is a need to search for a guru. But in many cases it may so happen that the son may get initiated to that particular manthra from his father himself , provided his father has got that manthra properly. For a person doing a Devi Upasana, ignoring Gayathri manthra (if he is obliged to do ) is like doing a yagna without fire ( gayathri is the fire). For each of the manthra recited of the Ishta Devatha , has to be compensated with one gayathri manthra for getting the benefit of it. The emphasis and importance of the Sandya Vanadana and Gayathri, can be gauged by this incident which took place in my relatives house at cimbatore -- Tamil Nadu. Jagadguru HH Abhinav Thirtha was giving the prasad to the devotees, when a particular person close to HH introduced his son to him saying he is doing this puja and that puja. Looking at the face of his son , HH asked him to chant the Prathas sandhya upasthana manthra -- in reply, this guy had to say that he is not familiar with sandya vandana -- pat came the reply from HH to stop all puja immediately and cocentrate only on his nithya karma. HH Maha periyavaal of Sri Mutt Kanchi had many a times over emphasised the importance of gayathri and Sandya vandana. pl see the kaanchi official web site for more details. As part of Gayathri manthra is attached to various forms, one would hear commonly people talking of Rama gayathri, Vihnu Gayathri, Laxmi Gayathri, Ganapathy Gayathri, Rudra Gayathri, Agni Gayathri, Surya Gaythri etc etc. Certain rare souls who come to earth as perfected beings like abirami bhattar, raghavendra..kavi kalidas,etc.,.need no outside help and they rely on their inner voice. So the QUESTION IS ARE WE ONE OF THOSE. If the answer is Yes -- you are free to rely on your inner voice. If No Pray for a Guru. Sri Bhagawaan Ramana and Gayathri. Date -- 15th May 1935 Question : Can anyone get the benfit by repeating mantras picked up casually. Sri Ramana: NO -- He must be competent and initiated in such mantras. He illustrates this story. a king visited his premier in his residence. there he was told to wait as the premier was engaged in doing the japa which was the holiest of all mantras-- the gayathri. The king waited for him and asked what was the japa about and the premier had to explain the importance of gayathri. the king desired to be initiated by the premier but the premier confessed his inability to initiate him. The King learned it from someone and repeated it to the premier and wanted to know if it was right.the minister said the manthra was correct, but it was not proper for him to say that. When pressed for an explanation the premier summoned a junior minister and ordered him to take hold of the king -- arrest and the order was not obeyed even after ordering many times.looking at this enraged king ordered the same man to arrest the minister and this was done immediately. The minister laughed and said that the incident was the explanation required by the king. -- the minister went on to explain -- THE ORDER WAS SAME and the Executor also but the authority was different. Similarly it is with Mantras. 7th Jan 1937 in the Ramanashram Question : What should one do in order to remain free from thoughts. Is it only the enquiry " WHO I AM " Answer. Do Japa like Gayathri for stilling the mind. Question ; Will Gayathri do answer of maharishi Can anything excel it. only those who cannot do it look for others. IT CONTAINS THE WHOLE RANGE OF TRUTH IN IT. Chanting or japa will lead to meditAtion AND IT IS THE MEANS OF REALISING THE SELF. Ganapathy = = = Vijaya sriganeshh <sriganeshh wrote: Dear All, I have read all the mails of sri.sankara menon, sri.Ravi and sri.vaidhyanathan. After that i have a general doubt...please advice me. Brahmins have a ceremony called 'upanayanam'. After that date, male members have to wear 'poonul' and everyday they have to perform sandhya vandanam thrice in a day. The gayatri mantra is part of the sandhya vandanam and minimum of 108 gayathri has to be recited.. The gayatri mantra upadesam is given by pandit. My doubts are... 01. can this be taken as guru upadesam....? 02..when one is initiated to gayatri as provided in the vedas, is it not sufficient..to be considered as guru or deity's upadesh or blessings for all other upasanas? 03.why do we need special guru's initiation... 04.is it not correct that one will be automatically drawn to a path if one has faith and belief..(unshakeable devotion)...like the great abirami bhattar, raghavendra..kavi kalidas,etc.,. please educate me... pranam sriganesh -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h www : http://www.ambaa.org/ Contact: help Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " - - - - " Jai Sri Lalitha Maha Maha Tripura Sundari " " Sarvam Shakti Mayam Jagath " SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Namasthe There is one more special in Gayathri initiation. the leniage of Guru 's thread is continuous permanent and the light is kept alive if the family maintains that. Am I correct? s.krishnamoorthy--- ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: > In reply to your quiries what comes to my mind is > posted below : > > The gayathri Mahamanthra is given generally by the > Father or by a very close relative , when the father > is dead or when the upanayana is done for two > children simultaneously. The son before getting > initiated to the gayathri manthra , does certain > rituals like washing the feet and other puja to > treat his father as his Guru and receives the > initiation. So it is not correct to say that the > pandit gives the manthra, though the pandit is > present at the time of initiation along with the > mother and at the precise moment all the four > (father,mother,pandit and the son) are covered by a > silk Dhoti or cloth -- symbolic for the secrecy when > many friends and relatives attend the fuction. > > The gayathri is called the Mahamanthra and truly > speaking there is no need for any other manthra or > upasana if gayathri upasana is done with devotion. > But it may happen because of a person's past > vaasanas , he may like some other form of upasana in > addition to gaythri and then there is a need to > search for a guru. But in many cases it may so > happen that the son may get initiated to that > particular manthra from his father himself , > provided his father has got that manthra properly. > > For a person doing a Devi Upasana, ignoring > Gayathri manthra (if he is obliged to do ) is like > doing a yagna without fire ( gayathri is the fire). > > For each of the manthra recited of the Ishta Devatha > , has to be compensated with one gayathri manthra > for getting the benefit of it. > > The emphasis and importance of the Sandya Vanadana > and Gayathri, can be gauged by this incident which > took place in my relatives house at cimbatore -- > Tamil Nadu. > > Jagadguru HH Abhinav Thirtha was giving the prasad > to the devotees, when a particular person close to > HH introduced his son to him saying he is doing this > puja and that puja. Looking at the face of his son , > HH asked him to chant the Prathas sandhya upasthana > manthra -- in reply, this guy had to say that he is > not familiar with sandya vandana -- pat came the > reply from HH to stop all puja immediately and > cocentrate only on his nithya karma. > > HH Maha periyavaal of Sri Mutt Kanchi had many a > times over emphasised the importance of gayathri and > Sandya vandana. pl see the kaanchi official web site > for more details. > > As part of Gayathri manthra is attached to various > forms, one would hear commonly people talking of > Rama gayathri, Vihnu Gayathri, Laxmi Gayathri, > Ganapathy Gayathri, Rudra Gayathri, Agni Gayathri, > Surya Gaythri etc etc. > > Certain rare souls who come to earth as perfected > beings like abirami bhattar, raghavendra..kavi > kalidas,etc.,.need no outside help and they rely on > their inner voice. So the QUESTION IS ARE WE ONE OF > THOSE. If the answer is Yes -- you are free to rely > on your inner voice. > If No Pray for a Guru. > > Sri Bhagawaan Ramana and Gayathri. > > > Date -- 15th May 1935 > > Question : > Can anyone get the benfit by repeating mantras > picked up casually. > > Sri Ramana: > > NO -- He must be competent and initiated in such > mantras. He illustrates this story. > > a king visited his premier in his residence. there > he was told to wait as the premier was engaged in > doing the japa which was the holiest of all > mantras-- the gayathri. The king waited for him and > asked what was the japa about and the premier had to > explain the importance of gayathri. the king desired > to be initiated by the premier but the premier > confessed his inability to initiate him. The King > learned it from someone and repeated it to the > premier and wanted to know if it was right.the > minister said the manthra was correct, but it was > not proper for him to say that. > > When pressed for an explanation the premier summoned > a junior minister and ordered him to take hold of > the king -- arrest and the order was not obeyed even > after ordering many times.looking at this enraged > king ordered the same man to arrest the minister and > this was done immediately. > The minister laughed and said that the incident was > the explanation required by the king. -- the > minister went on to explain -- THE ORDER WAS SAME > and the Executor also but the authority was > different. Similarly it is with Mantras. > > 7th Jan 1937 in the Ramanashram > > Question : What should one do in order to remain > free from thoughts. Is it only the enquiry " WHO I > AM " > > Answer. > > Do Japa like Gayathri for stilling the mind. > > Question ; Will Gayathri do > > answer of maharishi > > Can anything excel it. only those who cannot do it > look for others. IT CONTAINS THE WHOLE RANGE OF > TRUTH IN IT. Chanting or japa will lead to > meditAtion AND IT IS THE MEANS OF REALISING THE > SELF. > > > Ganapathy = = = Vijaya > > > > > > sriganeshh <sriganeshh wrote: > Dear All, > > > I have read all the mails of sri.sankara menon, > sri.Ravi and > sri.vaidhyanathan. After that i have a general > doubt...please > advice me. > > Brahmins have a ceremony called 'upanayanam'. After > that date, male > members have to wear 'poonul' and everyday they have > to perform > sandhya vandanam thrice in a day. The gayatri mantra > is part of the > sandhya vandanam and minimum of 108 gayathri has to > be recited.. > The gayatri mantra upadesam is given by pandit. > > My doubts are... > > 01. can this be taken as guru upadesam....? > 02..when one is initiated to gayatri as provided in > the > vedas, is it not sufficient..to be considered as > guru or deity's > upadesh or blessings for all other upasanas? > 03.why do we need special guru's initiation... > > 04.is it not correct that one will be automatically > drawn to a path > if one has faith and belief..(unshakeable > devotion)...like the great > abirami bhattar, raghavendra..kavi kalidas,etc.,. > > please educate me... > > pranam > > sriganesh > > > > > > > Sponsor > > -- > pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH > sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . > svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM > tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM > stutiriyam.h > > www : http://www.ambaa.org/ > === message truncated === ______________________ Send free SMS using the Messenger. 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