Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Sri Rama Jayam Dear Sri Ramjayar and others, This is a nice reply for the same kind of query which I came across at the SrirangaSri , which I found pretty logical. I am forwarding this to all to whom this may be useful. Regards, Sudarshan Iyer Dear Bhagavatas:Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan Swamy with id " narsimhancsl" writes as follows: "Dear Swamy,This is very well written procedure for upakarma. It is indeed very true that there is no need to change sankalpams when u r out of India. I remember when my grandfather tested me on this. He gave a samasya pooranam slokam as follows: "Kovido america gathva sankalpam keedrusham kruthaha". Which means how a learned man performs sankalpam when he goes to America. It occurred to me immediately & I completed the verse by saying: "yathaahi poorvajairuktham manasaa bhaarathey sthithaha". which means as said by our elders staying in India through "mind". He liked the reply and was happy that I grasped his inner intention [deleted] SMS using the Messenger;Download latest version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 In last but one para of your mail you have the answer to your question. As a Brahmin you are not supposed to cross seas. And if you do there are extensive and very expensive prayachittas. That is if you go overseas without knowing that you should not go not otherwise. Ballakrishnen >"ramjayar" <ramjayar > > > Sankalpam >Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:54:50 -0000 > >Hello > >Will revered members throw some light on sankalpam that is to be made >when some one is away from india - the "Bharatha Kante" > >The sankalpam recital during avani avittam mentions Bharatha varshe, >bharadha kante, ... > >So if im in US, what will be sankalpa mantra - this is very specific >to the forth coming avani avittam > >As im away for the first time during the avani avittam, would like to >know if there are any other sankalpam for a different geographies > >Incidentally i have also heard that Brahmins are not supposed to >cross seas? Is it for this reason - no specific sankalpam away from >India? > >Any thoughts from learned scholars to dispel my ignorance would be >welcome > >Namaskarams > >Ramakrishnan > > _______________ Attention NRIs! Send money home in a jiffy. http://server1.msn.co.in/msnleads/citibankrca/citibankrca2.asp?type=txt Find out how here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 1) The ancient vedic cosmology is complex and different[1]. The layout of dvipa-s and different kinds of oceans etc. will not match with anything what we know of today. 2) Hence, the claims such as America is krauncha dvIpa etc. may not have a good basis. Stating so, does not make the sankalpa's spatial location more accurate. 3) Hence, it is better to stick to jambudvIpe and bhArata varsha, then say the local details such as country, state, city, near by river etc. And you can retain that it is south of meru. Because, kAnchi Acharya in one of his talks, says that is above North pole and from there anything is south! 4) The goal of stating the space-time coordinates in sankalpa of the sAdhaka has two purposes a) ascertaining the approriateness of the ritual in the context of location and time b) to understand/learn/preserve our traditions such as panchanga. Item #b reminds us the phase of the moon, relative location of sun and earth, and the other planets, asterism, etc. 50 years ago, even ordinary people in India could go outside and point out planets, constellations etc. Now most of us have no clue, heavy city lighting is only is only a tiny contribution to this effect. But all is not lost. There are softwares such as Winstars, Celestia, etc. (they are in tropical system not sidereal) which can help us give a good idea on location and position of the planets. More than verbally stating, what is important is have a good idea of locations. How many of us can today draw the position of earth, moon, and sun in solar system, let alone other planets. This plays quite intimately with our tradition. The fact that shukra is not visible from earth this shrAvaNa puurnima made few panchangams to push it a month earlier to aashhAda puurNima (http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m13975.html) 5) Despite the confusion on precession of equinoxes and wide variety of ayanamsha-s, there is some agreement on time and panchanga(Unless you consider methods such as Swami Yukteshwar Giri's system, by which we are in dvApara yuga now). There are lot of astrlogy software with good epheremides computation and ayanamsha options. 6) Hence, in summary you can say as much as you can be accurate. The goal is basically to learn the tradition. There are certain things (such as dviipa-s) which nobody really knows, at some level it is easier to accept ignorance and state what we know (such as starting from milky way galaxy :-)) ) My 2c. And I agree with what is quoted below. Ravi [1] See the following for a presentation of this complexity. http://www.sacreduniverse.com/overview.html [2] http://winstars.free.fr/english/ http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ > > sudarshan balasubramanian > [sudarshanbalasubramanian] > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:25 PM > > Cc: ramjayar > Re: Sankalpam > > > > "Dear Swamy,This is very well written procedure for upakarma. > It is indeed very true that there is no need to change > sankalpams when u r out of India. I remember when my grandfather > tested me on this. He gave a samasya pooranam slokam as follows: > "Kovido america gathva sankalpam keedrusham kruthaha". Which means > how a learned man performs sankalpam when he goes to America. It > occurred to me immediately & I completed the verse by saying: > "yathaahi poorvajairuktham manasaa bhaarathey sthithaha". which > means as said by our elders staying in India through "mind". He > liked the reply and was happy that I grasped his inner intention > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 my two cents. i did discover a mount Meru. If some one looks up the map of Gondwana land you will see india was attached to coast of East africa and the north of that in the country of Tanzania is a mountain called Mount Meru. The Gondwana land was in existence 240 Million years ago. So I do not know whether it is possible that the meru described is THE mount meru. If that is so, then it opens a series of mind boggling questions like: Were there humans at that time if so is the mention of mount meru at that time a part of the collective conciousness etc. Kochu > "M. S. Ravisankar" <ravi wrote: > > 1) The ancient vedic cosmology is complex and different[1]. The > layout of dvipa-s and different kinds of oceans etc. will not > match with anything what we know of today. Moderator's note : Please do not quote entire portions of a post if only 2 lines of it are being reponded to. Personal note (Sridhar) : I think this discussion is going nowhere, and should perhaps be discontinued. It will be better if our energies could be directed to more purposeful discussions. Of course, others might disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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