Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sub : Bharatha Kante Brahma Shree Shree kantha Sarmajee -- Professor in sanskrit college ( taking Samaveda and Advaita ) happen to visit Muscat on instructions of HH of Sri Matam kaanchi for a discourse. During one of the discourse he happened to define " Bharatha Kante " . This knowledge he owed to the findings of the committee appointed by the present H.H .. Sringeri Swamygal for the purpose of naming the countries that could be included in the gamut of Bharathe Kante . This committee included members who were very learned in Vedas and sastras and included Pujya Dr. Goda Venkateshwara sastrigal who is an ocean of knowledge in Sri Vidya -- Vedas and Advaita. As per the definition the countries as per the current world map that could be included in bharatha Kante as " UPADWEEPA " are Srilanka, Bangaldesh, pakistan, Afghanistan, the entire gulf region, Iran and upto Iraq and DOES NOT include the Europe, Americas, Africa and Australia. He also emphasized that all Nitya Karmas and Nymitya Karmas including the Pitru Karmas done in these countries are Valid and the sankalpam can be made as Bharatha Kante . And all these karmas done in other countries which are not Bharatha Kante are null , Invalid and Pitru Karmas done in other countries attract sin. As i happen to know by Devi's grace Dr. Goda Vekateshwara Sastrigal during the last trip to chennai , to my query he confirmed to me personally the findings which have also been published in the net ( the URL which i have misplaced.) Dr.Sastry went on to elaborate the reasons to me which i am not able to express in clear and proper terms. However , He confirmed to me that Upasana could be done anywhere in the world including the other planets should human beings occupy in future is Valid as the mind plays an important role for Upasana. That is the reasn that H.H. Sringeri swamygal had blessed the the Athi Rudram which was conducted in U.S. Regards ballakrishnen subramaniam <ballakrishnen wrote: In last but one para of your mail you have the answer to your question. As a Brahmin you are not supposed to cross seas. And if you do there are extensive and very expensive prayachittas. That is if you go overseas without knowing that you should not go not otherwise. Ballakrishnen >"ramjayar" <ramjayar > > > Sankalpam >Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:54:50 -0000 > >Hello > >Will revered members throw some light on sankalpam that is to be made >when some one is away from india - the "Bharatha Kante" > >The sankalpam recital during avani avittam mentions Bharatha varshe, >bharadha kante, ... > >So if im in US, what will be sankalpa mantra - this is very specific >to the forth coming avani avittam > >As im away for the first time during the avani avittam, would like to >know if there are any other sankalpam for a different geographies > >Incidentally i have also heard that Brahmins are not supposed to >cross seas? Is it for this reason - no specific sankalpam away from >India? > >Any thoughts from learned scholars to dispel my ignorance would be >welcome > >Namaskarams > >Ramakrishnan > > _______________ Attention NRIs! Send money home in a jiffy. http://server1.msn.co.in/msnleads/citibankrca/citibankrca2.asp?type=txt Find out how here. -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h www : http://www.ambaa.org/ Contact: help Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " - - - - " Jai Sri Lalitha Maha Maha Tripura Sundari " " Sarvam Shakti Mayam Jagath " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Namaste, Adding to the bit written in the list, I would like to add my cents. This follows my discussions with the Mahasannidhanam, Sringeri, Paramananda Bharati, a sanyasi and chandrasekhara dixitar the priest officiating at the Ati Rudra at US. There are 3 reasons for the anamoly about travelling to foreign countries and the consequence of karma therein. Firstly, in Taittereya Samhita there is mention that samudrayana is nishidda for a person from aryavarta. (There is no specific mention of a brahmin out here) The mantra reads further that such restriction is placed as mala mootra visarjana in varuna is a sin or excreting in water is a papa. The fact that today people travel in planes, is pertinent to be taken into account as the abovesaid sin does not occur (I am sure no planes drop their excreta in the arabian sea or the pacific ocean :-)) Secondly, the exponents of the traditional theory state that Mlechha Samparka or association with foreigners is a papa which is mahapataka and a jatibhramshakara i.e., a sin classified amongst the mahapatakas and a sin causing loss of caste. This argument stems from the fact that associating oneself with people who commit the mahapataka is one of the maha pataka itself as the five mahapatakas are a. brahmahatya (killing of a brahmana) b. surapana (consumption of alcohol) c. Swarna steya (stealing gold) d. Agamyagama (Conjugal relations other than one's wife) e. Teshanaam samparkamapi (associating with the sinners mentioned above) Now the 5th context of smaparka dosha is kaliyuga varjya as per Parashara and Bodhayana. Therefore, samparka with the first four category was contemplated by the sutrakaras and a provision to that effect wasmade by them. As regards Mlechha Samparka, Manu says that when a king conquers a mlechha desha the citizens of that mlechha desha are entitled to follow samanya dharma of the conqueror. In this context, Singapore (Simhapuri), Srilanka (Lanka) and other neighbouring countries came under the Bharata Varsha rule. Therefore the rule of even Mlechha Samparka is negated. Infact, Chandrasekhara Dikshitar, went a step further and said America got its name from Amaruka Maharaja (This maharaja is the same person in whose body Shankaracharya did parakaya pravesha)who was ruling it in those days. I was amused at his efforts to link the hindu concept as he had oppositions from fellow sanketi priests for some time for crossing the seas. My own reseach on this subject through shastra pramana (I have referred Bodhayana, Apastamba, Vasishta and Gautama) says that by swabhaava Bhoomi is not impure, its by association of unclean objects that it becomes impure. The sutrakaras further mention that by adopting cleansing of bhoomi in the prescribed manner one achieves sthala shuddi which makes the place yogya for karma. I shall take the proceedure laidout by the sutrakaras and shastras on this subject in detail tomorrow as also the sankalpa which has to be adopted for karma which has to be performed in other countries. Interestingly, those who might know the legendary Karpatra Swamigal of Kashi, a great Sri Vidya Upasaka might want to know that he had mentioned that videsha yatra in a plane was not a sin. The same concept of varuna pasha and excrement in water not being present. One question of mine has been unanswered by all people i know, to what extent is dharma (in its real sense, not through Ramjanma bhoomi movement and such like)remaining in this very country where vedas and learning flourished at a time. What is the state of brahmanas (A minority without support)? How many brahmanas today complete their veda adhyayana, let that alone, how many perform sandya vandana or even know the meaning of gayathri? Its a minority crowd, a sad state. But I am not saying they dont exist at all, look around you and you will find the numbers. I guess in this age of Kali it is better to do ones anushtana to whatever extent possible at a clean place regardless of the desha. More in my next mail. Ganesh Prasad --- ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: > Sub : Bharatha Kante > > > Brahma Shree Shree kantha Sarmajee -- Professor in > sanskrit college ( taking Samaveda and Advaita ) > happen to visit Muscat on instructions of HH of Sri > Matam kaanchi for a discourse. > > During one of the discourse he happened to define " > Bharatha Kante " . This knowledge he owed to the > findings of the committee appointed by the present > H.H . Sringeri Swamygal for the purpose of naming > the countries that could be included in the gamut of > Bharathe Kante . This committee included members > who were very learned in Vedas and sastras and > included Pujya Dr. Goda Venkateshwara sastrigal who > is an ocean of knowledge in Sri Vidya -- Vedas and > Advaita. > > As per the definition the countries as per the > current world map that could be included in bharatha > Kante as " UPADWEEPA " are Srilanka, Bangaldesh, > pakistan, Afghanistan, the entire gulf region, Iran > and upto Iraq and DOES NOT include the Europe, > Americas, Africa and Australia. > > He also emphasized that all Nitya Karmas and Nymitya > Karmas including the Pitru Karmas done in these > countries are Valid and the sankalpam can be made as > Bharatha Kante . And all these karmas done in other > countries which are not Bharatha Kante are null , > Invalid and Pitru Karmas done in other countries > attract sin. > > As i happen to know by Devi's grace Dr. Goda > Vekateshwara Sastrigal during the last trip to > chennai , to my query he confirmed to me personally > the findings which have also been published in the > net ( the URL which i have misplaced.) > > Dr.Sastry went on to elaborate the reasons to me > which i am not able to express in clear and proper > terms. > > However , He confirmed to me that Upasana could be > done anywhere in the world including the other > planets should human beings occupy in future is > Valid as the mind plays an important role for > Upasana. That is the reasn that H.H. Sringeri > swamygal had blessed the the Athi Rudram which was > conducted in U.S. > > Regards > > > > > ballakrishnen subramaniam > <ballakrishnen wrote: > In last but one para of your mail you have the > answer to your question. As a > Brahmin you are not supposed to cross seas. And if > you do there are > extensive and very expensive prayachittas. That is > if you go overseas > without knowing that you should not go not > otherwise. > Ballakrishnen > > > >"ramjayar" <ramjayar > > > > > > Sankalpam > >Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:54:50 -0000 > > > >Hello > > > >Will revered members throw some light on sankalpam > that is to be made > >when some one is away from india - the "Bharatha > Kante" > > > >The sankalpam recital during avani avittam mentions > Bharatha varshe, > >bharadha kante, ... > > > >So if im in US, what will be sankalpa mantra - this > is very specific > >to the forth coming avani avittam > > > >As im away for the first time during the avani > avittam, would like to > >know if there are any other sankalpam for a > different geographies > > > >Incidentally i have also heard that Brahmins are > not supposed to > >cross seas? Is it for this reason - no specific > sankalpam away from > >India? > > > >Any thoughts from learned scholars to dispel my > ignorance would be > >welcome > > > >Namaskarams > > > >Ramakrishnan > > > > > > _______________ > Attention NRIs! 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