Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Thank you Virendra Qazi and Ganapathy Vijaya for your thoughts on my queries. I actually read Khadgamaala. I don't have Devi saptasati or Devi saptasloka. Maybe I have them in one of my pooja books. Else, where could I get it? Is Uchcharana (pronounciation) very important? If so, I would like to know a website where the recital of Devi Saptasati/saptasloka is done. What does it mean if one, in one's dream, finds one as Maa Durga herself? Sri Shiva ---------------------------- ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote:In the upasana, the divine intervention and Devi's grace are one of personal spiritual experience beyond the words that can express it. <snip> ---------------------------- Moderator's note : Please avoid excessive quoting of previous posts, especially if there's no good reason to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 "In the upasana, the divine intervention and Devi's grace are one of personal spiritual experience beyond the words that can express it." a very sublime statement, and comes at a right time, I will be grateful if the learned members who have been sharing their knowledge also share their personal experiences (adhering to the guidelines of the list)This will be highly motivating for novices like me. regards Vishwanathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Dear Sri Ganapathyji: Every word comes with its own history and associated understanding. It is understood differently by different cultures and different times. So it is with word "grace". Can you point to the exact verse in DM, Ch12 and what word therein you translate as grace. I am asking you this because, the word "prasada", "kR^ipa", "kaTaxa", etc. in our language is easier to relate to and understand. Even if it is not easy, at least will gives us an some additional avenues to explore. In the context of our discussion, divine grace is a reflection of divine compassion and which in turn is based on the universal love. How does this manifest? Not through modification of karma phala or karma phala itself (in my understanding). God as karma-phala-pradaa by default awards the karma phala without any partiality or arbitrariness. Sankara highlights this in atleast two places in trishatii bhaashya. Also the entire scheme is devised with the (long term) welfare of all beings. IMO, grace of God, imparts right knowledge and understanding. This is something that would not be a consequence (directly) of a karma phala. One can go through certain experiences of joy and pain, and still not learn valuable insights from them. That learning and gaining (even saamanya) jnAna is through the compassion and love of God. We see this again and again in life, two persons go through a similar experience, however come out with different levels of insight and understanding. And God as Guru of universe, imparts that knowledge. To me that is grace, compassion, and love of God (more or less they are synonyms in this context). Often it is said that grace is available to all and limited only by limitations of the individual (for instance ramaNa says that in one of his talks). Even though Aurobindo's insights on many things are really wonderful, he (AFAIK) really does not give an simple understanding on how "open up" to this grace. Again IMO, I think it is best summarized by Jesus in two commandments, which he gives when people ask him about divine laws. He gives these commandments and says that all the laws of all the prophets hang on these two. It is no exaggeration. It even cuts across all religions. He 1st says that we should love God with all the strength and power that is possible. Then he says that we should love our neighbor as such. The key is in the 2nd. You learn to receive love by giving love. More you give, more you can receive. Also you can love God only by loving all (easier said than done). We can find that also yastu sarvaani bhuutaani aatmani eva anupashatii ... tataH na vijugupsate. IMO, key to receiving God's grace is not chanting some shloka, but to learn to love whom we come across. It is through giving love, we learn to receive love and God's grace. That is how we open up to God's grace. And I do not see grace as a way of either nullifying karma phala or modifying it. It is the ONLY way to knowledge and greater understanding. One can be in heaven and still fret and fume at the sight anyone doing tapas (like Indra). karma phala does not produce happiness, but knowledge and right understanding does. My 2c. And I may be wrong. Ravi (I dont want to be a hypocrite, only now I am learning (little bit) what love means and how one loves. Hence, my understanding is mostly based on theoretical reasoning and second hand knowledge.) > > ganapathy = = vijaya [srividya101] > Monday, September 22, 2003 12:52 AM > > Devi's Grace > > > In the upasana, the divine intervention and Devi's grace are one > of personal spiritual experience beyond the words that can express it. > > As Sri Aurbindo puts it the grace " Is a power superior to even > the divine rules and even Cosmic laws -- can annule the workings > of karma radically changing the destiny of the aspirant " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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