Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear Devotees, The Chapter 12 of DM starts with " Devyuvachha " and not Deva Uchhu -- The meaning totally changes (as Devas said ) .Pardon me for this error . Another point omitted is that grace need not be limited to Moksha alone . Devi grants both swarga and apavarga -- both are grace. The four purusharthas which are sought are Dharma., Artha, Kama and Moksha --in that order generally and not necessarily. one may seek what he wants , depending on one's spiritual evolution -- based on the past karmas and vasanas. For a person who has been Agnostic all his life and cured of a deadly disease or danger as a result of DM Parayana on the advice of a Guru may totally turn him towards Devi and that becomes the starting point for him towards the ultimate objective --- Moksha. It is not uncommon to find these experiences in the society. Therefore the term GRACE may mean different to different people and not limited to Prasada -- Krupa -- Kataksha. The entire 12th chapter of DM is Devi's Grace spoke by Devi Herself and all are grace of a different nature applicable to the concerned individual. ganapathy Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " - - - - " Jai Sri Lalitha Maha Maha Tripura Sundari " " Sarvam Shakti Mayam Jagath " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear srividyaji and other enlightened devotees, I had a question to ask about reading and worshipping Devi. What are the rules and regulations regarding hygenicity while praying to her. In Bhagavad Gita, Sri Krishna says that Everything is He. In Sai Baba Parayani, Sri Baba says Not to abhor or hate anything. Not to harbor disgust on anything. Today morning my toilet burst, I cleaned everything as much i could. I wiped the floors too. I cleaned myself too. I still feel unclean and I feel uncertain about the clealiness of my own bathroom, where I clean myself everyday. How can I do my pooja this way? How can I touch Devi's feet? Is this my neurosis or my ignorance? Is there anything that is unclean to Devi, who dwells in everything? Is oneness with everything same as being whole and accepting everything as it is, doing my duties and leaving rest to Devi; but never conducting anything because I am judging it unclean, or I hate it, or it is a rule of hygenicity.. Please advice me as to how to see even garbage in my life as Devi's Leela so that I have respect for even garbage, since some of Devi's unique creations live in that, thrive on that too, and Devi dwells in all. Jai Devi. Om Namah Shivayah! Sri. ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: Sub : Devi’s Grace – Part 1 Dear Sri Raviji , I thank you for your observations on the posting and would like to cover all your queries in three to four mails. I have drunk only a drop of water of that great ocean of knowledge called SRI VIDYA and is very negligible . I would request readers to correct me if I go wrong while answering the queries posted by Sri Ravi or on my misunderstanding of his observation . The queries posed and summarized as per my understanding are. Can you point the exact verse in DM and what word therein you translate as grace. God’s grace is not chanting some Shloka but to learn love. ( As my posting of Divine grace was in respect to DM the discussion would cover DM only and the examination of DM – Is it beyond Shloka . Is only compassion a grace of Devi or what else are there which we should acquire by Her Grace and What our scriptures say on other qualities important other than Love. How can Devi as a Karma – Phala – Dhata break Her own rules of the cosmic Law of Karma . Answers . The Collins English Dictionary defines grace as ( one of the meaning ) –“ AS DIVINE FAVOUR “. Coming to Chapter 12 of DM -- this is what DEVI HERSELF said. “ Deva Uchhu ‘ The Devi Said – Verse by Verse meaning · Who ever with devotion praises me constantly, I shall put an end to all their troubles. · Whoever extols or listens this Mahasmeeyam to them nothing bad happens, neither misfortune, nor poverty. · They would not be separated by near and dear. · No fear comes to them from foes, robbers or even the mighty Kings. · Or from weapons, fire and floods. · The devotee would be spared from all epidems afflicting the society. · My satnding presence is assured where the DM is recited. · During the time of Autum season ( Sarada Navarathri ) who so ever listens to this Mahatmeeyam with devotion BY MY GRACE (Note the word Prasadena sloka 13 ) be released from all sufferings and acquires wealth. · Man becomes fearless in intense battles listening to this Mahatmeeyam ( Battle can also mean the battle we under go in our mind due to Rajas and Thamas) · Enemies are destroyed and welfare produced for those listening to the Mahatmeeyam. · Bad dreams turn good and troubles subside even caused by the very planet. · Where there is a break in relationship it gets repaired and pacifies the maladies in children caused by obsessions. · The evil doers,ghosts,demons.perish at the mere reading of DM. · Hearing removes Sins ( caused by karma ) and grants freedom from illness and protects fromall evil spirits. · And So On. There are in total 41 slokas dealing with all kind of problems which Devi Confirms with HER Universal authority would Grace the devotee Reciting this great scripture. I hope Raviji would be satisfied that it is not one particular verse but 41 verses which confers the GRACE as per the dictionary meaning of grace – Divine Favour. If one observes --- all these problems either one or many occur with different gravity to an individual as a result of Karma .The Divine ruler Devi only can decree to neutralize the effects of karma . But for all these one should have an immense faith in Devi and DM. As said in my earlier posting Devas says “Saluatations to Her who is in form of FAITH in all beings “ All religions including GOD exist because of Faith. It starts from blind faith --Darkness to light. Faith is attributable to mind and Mind by its very nature is limited -- blind also as it only recognizes the past . So it is not possible to know the unknown with known past except due to Her grace. But as explained as one approaches Her with blind Faitth -- by Her Grace She Opens the sadhak’s inner eyes – That is the Experience of all Jivan Mukthas like HH Sesadri Swamigal , Maha Swamygal and others. This spiritual experience of Rishi is revealed in DM itself in the shloka “ Sarvasya buddhi rupena janasya hrdi samsthite.” --- Devi residing and revealing as intelligence in the Heart. Intelligence of the mind is different – it is only an intellectual exercise and has only a limited value. This answers the first question Jai Chandi Ganapathy Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " - - - - " Jai Sri Lalitha Maha Maha Tripura Sundari " " Sarvam Shakti Mayam Jagath " -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h www : http://www.ambaa.org/ Contact: help Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 I apologize to Ganapathiji for addressing him as srividyaji! I apologize for my ignorance. Sri Shiva <sirishashiva wrote: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Sri Shiva Re: Devi's Grace -- part 1 Dear srividyaji and other enlightened devotees, I had a question to ask about reading and worshipping Devi. What are the rules and regulations regarding hygenicity while praying to her. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Sri Ganapathyji wrote: > > There are in total 41 slokas dealing with all kind of problems > which Devi Confirms with HER Universal authority would Grace the > devotee Reciting this great scripture. > > I hope Raviji would be satisfied that it is not one particular > verse but 41 verses which confers the GRACE as per the > dictionary meaning of grace – Divine Favour. > Respected Ganapathyji: Thanks for taking your time to post this 4-part series. I will read carefully and try understand your position. As soon as you said ch12, I went and read the chapter. Only then I asked you. I personally do not agree with the sticking to one-line dictionary meaning of divine favor. It does not capture the notions that has been built around this word in philosophy for this word. Words take a very complex and deep interpretations over a course of time and also depending on the emphasis. To give an example, in the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" which a very hard book on philosophy, author takes the word "Quality" and tries to understand and explain it, which runs to over 100+ pages. At the end of it you will see by that he relates (at one level) to the cosmic princple like dharma (which bears or dhArayati iti dharma) which supports the structure of cosmos*. I think grace is a better canditate for that kind of discussion. My original interest, was to find the exact verse which talks about "grace" and the words that are translated as grace. Any phala shruti can be viewed in that same way as you do. Lot of stotra-s do make such promises in the phala shruti. To say, you read and do such and such thing, and I will do such and such thing as a phala for it, misses the mark for grace. It has an element of grace in it. But misses it at many levels. In tamil, the term that comes very close to grace is "aruL" -- but even "aruL" takes on many other shades of meaning such as "blessing". To me the true aruL (grace) is that which removes (maruL) confusion and (iruL) darkness of ignorance. I do not see divine grace as a phala of reading a shloka. Divine grace probably comes into play in directing the bhakta to read a particular work. Once you read it and getting an associated phala, falls under karma phala. I may be wrong. If I have any additional thoughts/questions on your series, I will send you as a personal e-mail. Wish you all a very happy navarAtri. Thanks Ravi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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